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Rep. Gates vs now former DOJ employee
ZRX1200 Offline
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NYT leaks a story that kills an investigation.

Gates (Gaetz?) IDGAF spelling.....says his father was contacted with an extortion attempt, they went to the FBI and his dad wore a wire.

Interesting political climate.

So if the former DOJ employee is a POS I wonder what the left will have to say, rogue employee?

I don’t really care about the Rep, if he is guilty take him to trial. If he’s NOT and his claims he made public NAMING the guy are true, anyone who has an ounce of honesty should want an investigation into the DOJ. Personally I think think DOJ and the State Dept need a thorough douching.
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Seems to be lacking information. What does the former DOJ employee have to do with the story and how "former" is he or she. And how is the State Department involved in all this ?
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Rep. Matt Gaetz denies allegations of sexual misconduct in 'Tucker Carlson Tonight' exclusive

In what Tucker Carlson called "one of the weirdest interviews" he's ever conducted, Florida Republican Congressman Matt Gaetz reacted on "Tucker Carlson Tonight" to a report from the New York Times that broke late Tuesday afternoon alleging Gaetz is the subject of a federal sex trafficking investigation involving a then-17-year-old girl.

The Times cited three anonymous sources "briefed on the matter," which alleges that the 38-year-old had a relationship with the girl and paid for her travel at one point.

The Pensacola lawmaker pushed back strongly against the allegations, saying that he is the victim of "extortion" involving an ex-Justice Department official seeking a $25 million payoff.

Gaetz told Carlson in an exclusive TV interview that the Times story was leaked in order to "quell" what the lawmaker claimed would be a planned $25 million payoff on Wednesday that would implicate this former official.

"What was supposed to happen was the transfer of this money that would have implicated the former colleague of these current DOJ officials. But that's obviously not going to happen tomorrow because [of the leak]," Gaetz said.

The lawmaker said that his father, former Florida State Senate President Donald Gaetz, R-Okaloosa, has been wearing a covert wire at the behest of the FBI to "catch these criminals" involved and that the DOJ must release the recordings from the elder Gaetz's wire -- which he maintained would exonerate him of the damaging allegations.

Gaetz also claimed that his political opponents, namely California Congressman Ted Lieu, were already using these allegations to call for his legislative head -- blaming the current political climate's proclivity to "smear" opponents "out of the conversation."

"It is a horrible allegation and it is a lie. The New York Times is running a story that I have traveled with a 17-year-old woman and that is verifiablably false. People can look at my travel records and see that that is not the case. What is happening is an extortion of me and my family..." Gaetz said.

In a bizarre twist, Gaetz brought up a years-old allegation made against Carlson, "I’m not the only person on screen right now who has been falsely accused of a terrible sex act," Gaetz stated. "You were accused of something you did not do so you know what this feels like. You know the pain it can bring to your family and you know how it puts people on defense when you are accused of something so salacious and awful."

Carlson dismissed Gaetz's effort to deflect from the allegations made against his guest. "You just referred to a mentally ill viewer who accused me of a sex crime 20 years ago and, of course, it was not true," said the host. "I never met the person. But I do agree with you that being accused falsely is one of the worst things that can happen and you do see it a lot."

Later in the interview, Gaetz again tried to make Carlson part of the story, after Carlson asked the congressman what the basis of the Justice Department's investigation into him was.

"I can say that actually you and I went to dinner about two years ago, your wife was there and I brought a friend of mine, you'll remember her," Gaetz told Carlson. "And she was actually threatened by the FBI, told that if she wouldn’t cop to the fact that somehow I was involved in some pay for play scheme that she could face trouble and so I do believe that there are people at the Department of Justice who are trying to smear me. You know, providing for flights and hotel rooms for people that you are dating who are of legal age is not a crime and I’m just troubled that lack of any sort of legitimate investigation into me would then permute, would then convert into this extortion attempt."

Carlson quickly denied any recollection of Gaetz's dinner date, "I don’t remember the woman you are speaking of or the context at all, honestly."

Carlson ended the interview, expressing confusion with the story, but asking Gaetz what he intends to do now that he publicly accused a former DOJ official of trying to extort him.

"So here is what needs to happen next," Gaetz responded, "The FBI and the department of justice must release the tapes that are in their possession that were done at their direction. Those tapes will show that I am innocent and that the whole concept of sex charges against me was really just a way to try to bleed my family out of money and probably smear my name because I am a well-known outspoken conservative and I guess that’s out of style in a lot of parts of the country right now."

After the interview wrapped Carlson went to break but before his next segment began, he addressed the interview saying he didn't think it "clarified much."

"You just saw our Matt Gaetz interviews that was one of the weirdest interviews I have ever conducted," the veteran anchor claimed. "That story just appeared in the news in the couple hours ago. On the certainty there is always more than you read in the newspaper we immediately called Matt Gaetz and asked him to come on and tell us more which, as you saw, he did.

"I don’t think that clarified much. But it certainly showed this is a deeply interesting story and we will be following it. Don’t quite understand it but we will bring you more when we find out."

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I’ll wait for the facts but I’ve long found this Rep to be in the top 5 or 6 sleaze bag lying stinking piles of **** in Congress. True scum.

That doesn’t mean anything in this situation, who knows, but he is the epitome of the type of filth we don’t need as leaders in any way shape or form and it saddens me anyone would elect him.

This list for me includes the usual dems we discuss in here frequently as well as a few Republicans like him and Gym Jordan that we don’t discuss frequently because this is a right wing leaning forum.
teedubbya Offline
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And Tucker Carlson is a POS with zero credibility.
tonygraz Offline
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Now I can put this together with some of the news I heard. My first question would be - who leaked the story and why ?
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https://youtu.be/GlN3oEjMpUQ

Jus sayin
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teedubbya wrote:
And Dr. Fauci is a POS with zero credibility.



Fixed it!
teedubbya Offline
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Ummm. Ok?
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Matt goetz is in deep dooo doooo...

Who has $25 million laying around to pay off a bribe like that? And how did his father ( a politician accumulate that much wealth to pay off a bribe like that)
And why is he dating barely 18 year old gash?
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teedubbya wrote:
And Tucker Carlson is a POS with zero credibility.


It was about the interview, not the interviewer.

But that is ok.
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Burner02 wrote:
Rep. Matt Gaetz denies allegations of sexual misconduct in 'Tucker Carlson Tonight' exclusive

In what Tucker Carlson called "one of the weirdest interviews" he's ever conducted, Florida Republican Congressman Matt Gaetz reacted on "Tucker Carlson Tonight" to a report from the New York Times that broke late Tuesday afternoon alleging Gaetz is the subject of a federal sex trafficking investigation involving a then-17-year-old girl.

The Times cited three anonymous sources "briefed on the matter," which alleges that the 38-year-old had a relationship with the girl and paid for her travel at one point.


Once again the Ol Grey Lady swings, misses and plays loose with it's Constitutional freedom with facts. This story is irresponsible. See it for what it is.

Don't we deserve real facts with real proof versus the "anonymous sources" and whispers in a hallway reporting we get? This is exactly why I loathe the New York Times. When a single man like Ronan Farrow can outdo a corporate entity like the NYT with verifiable reporting it's time to stop giving the NYT the credibility it thinks it has. This smacks of the old National Enquirer articles where one sentence in the story is true and the rest is all hyperbole but they still run it.
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Teedubya he NAMED the dude on national television and accused him of extortion and says the FBI recorded it....

I don’t give two 💩💩 about loud mouth, that’s serious business putting that out like that. He did NOT just deny an allegation.

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Anytime a story is from "anonymous sources" I just skip it.
teedubbya Offline
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Burner02 wrote:
It was about the interview, not the interviewer.

But that is ok.



A Carlson - Gaetz interview. Oh Joy. That is filled with facts I'm sure.
teedubbya Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Teedubya he NAMED the dude on national television and accused him of extortion and says the FBI recorded it....

I don’t give two 💩💩 about loud mouth, that’s serious business putting that out like that. He did NOT just deny an allegation.




I don't know the facts and you know me well enough to know I will wait for them.

However, Gaetz ant the facts are often not in the same room and he says a lot of provably false things. Have you watched this guy?

I'd wait for real facts not Gaetz facts.
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I'll wait for the facts about this new political theatre too TW

I'll wait for your fun filled facts too.Sleep
frankj1 Offline
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Could Carlson have distanced himself from this guy any faster?
HA!
ZRX1200 Offline
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I have watched the guy and I think he’s loud and self serving, but he opened himself up to a massive libel case if he’s lying THAT is my point.
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Frank it sounded like he was surprised to get him on air and sounded like it was a last minute arraignment (show prep i.e. discussing the topic). I think he was shocked and didn’t want to be a party to libel IF he is lying....
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I have watched the guy and I think he’s loud and self serving, but he opened himself up to a massive libel case if he’s lying THAT is my point.



wouldn't be the first time.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Frank it sounded like he was surprised to get him on air and sounded like it was a last minute arraignment (show prep i.e. discussing the topic). I think he was shocked and didn’t want to be a party to libel IF he is lying....

agree
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Young girl(s) or not, Gaetz is a POS..
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Greenberg, Gaetz visited closed office: Pair reportedly recorded entering together on weekend night at tax collector’s workplace

Orlando Sentinel

Joel Greenberg and U.S. Rep. Matt Gaetz on at least one occasion several years ago were recorded together entering the Seminole County Tax Collector’s Office when it was closed on a weekend night, according to a person familiar with office operations who saw the videotape.

The person said the footage showed Greenberg and Gaetz walking into the Tax Collector’s Lake Mary office on Primera Drive. Greenberg was seen going through baskets where driver’s licenses, turned in by residents for disposal, were stored and later went into a back room, the person said.

CNN reported Thursday night the visit was revealed to federal authorities investigating Greenberg in January 2020. Gaetz has since become a target of investigators, who are probing whether an alleged relationship with a 17-year-old girl violated sex trafficking laws, according to reports.

Information about the weekend office visit was shared with the Orlando Sentinel before news broke this week about the Gaetz investigation.

A spokesman for the Tax Collector’s Office, Alan Byrd, told the Sentinel on Thursday that an employee also recalls seeing Greenberg and another man on security camera footage in the office after hours at least once several years ago. But he said the employee did not know who the second man was.

Byrd said the employee did not want to be directly interviewed.

The Sentinel sought the video through public record requests but was told by the Tax Collector’s office that security video is only stored for 60 days. It’s unclear if federal authorities have obtained the footage.

The person who described the video to the Sentinel requested anonymity for fear of retaliation. The person told the Sentinel the late-night visit came to the attention of Greenberg’s staff after it was discovered the following Monday morning that a security alarm had been turned off.

Text messages that were viewed by the Sentinel showed an employee had later asked Greenberg if he’d visited the office that weekend, to which Greenberg replied via text that he had been, and was “showing congressman Gaetz what our operation looked like.”

“Did I leave something on?” Greenberg added in the texts. When told that the alarm was off, Greenberg apologized and said he’d “be more careful.”

CNN reported portions of the same messages Thursday night. The CNN report indicated the nighttime office visit occurred in 2019, but time stamps on the text messages seen by the Sentinel indicated it was in April 2018. Gaetz, who has not been charged with a crime, did not respond to a text message this week asking him about the late-night visit. The office visit — and the description of Greenberg visiting the baskets of discarded licenses — is important because the basket of discarded IDs, which other agencies typically store securely until they’re destroyed, figure into some of the nearly three-dozen charges Greenberg faces. An indictments states that Greenberg used his access as an elected official to look up information about a girl between the ages of 14 and 17 in a state database, in order “to produce a false identification document and to facilitate his efforts to engage in commercial sex acts.”

Federal prosecutors have said that customers visiting tax collector branches that issued driver’s licenses and Florida ID cards would sometimes surrender their old IDs to Greenberg’s staff to be destroyed. But Greenberg, prosecutors allege, “used his access to the Seminole County Tax Collector’s Office to take surrendered driver licenses before they were shredded.”

He then “used the surrendered driver licenses that he had taken to cause fake driver licenses to be produced that had his photograph but the personal information of the victims whose driver licenses he had taken.”

Authorities have said Greenberg had several stolen IDs in his work vehicle the day he was first arrested, on charges that he’d stalked a political rival, as well as a pair of fakes in his wallet and materials for making more in his office. Inside his work vehicle, agents said they found a backpack, which held three licenses from Canada, Virginia and Florida, belonging to Seminole County residents who’d recently obtained new Florida licenses. Employees of the Tax Collector’s office also told agents they’d seen Greenberg taking surrendered licenses from the “shred basket” prior to their destruction. When asked what he was doing, Greenberg gave fishy explanations — which federal authorities say were lies.

Greenberg has pleaded not guilty to all of the charges against him, which also include allegations that he embezzled funds from his public office and sought fraudulent loans from a COVID-19 relief program.
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rfenst wrote:
Young girl(s) or not, Gaetz is a POS..



This
ZRX1200 Offline
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CBS news was being CBS news this morning, it was like Teedubya was a the news editor.....they mentioned the claimed extortion but said it was what Gaetz was trying to “paint”. No mention of his claims being made very publicly and the claim of FBI involvement.
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Not sure what you are looking for there, but we will see what happens. To me it looks like the "extortion" thing isn't exactly what it appears but we will find out.
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👉🏻 Teedubya
rfenst Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
Not sure what you are looking for there, but we will see what happens. To me it looks like the "extortion" thing isn't exactly what it appears but we will find out.

I agree. It will unpack and get figured out on its own. Either he is clean or dirty of what has been alleged against him.
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He’s a politician. They’re all dirty. Just a question of what and how well they hide it.
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^ This...

...and if anyone's paying attention.
teedubbya Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
👉🏻 Teedubya


is that your finger?
ZRX1200 Offline
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Yeah it was me poking you.....sorry I’m smoking now.

Thanks
tonygraz Offline
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Unlike a mad doctor, I'm watching and waiting to see what happened.

I expect if trump is asked about it he will say he hardly knows the guy.
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Report links girl to Gaetz
Inquiry said to focus on women congressman, Greenberg paid


Orlando Sentinel

WASHINGTON — A Justice Department investigation into Rep. Matt Gaetz and Joel Greenberg is focusing on their involvement with multiple women who were recruited online for sex and received cash payments, according to people close to the investigation and text messages and payment receipts reviewed by The New York Times.

Investigators believe Greenberg, the former tax collector in Seminole County who was indicted last year on a federal sex trafficking charge and other crimes, initially met the women through websites that connect people who go on dates in exchange for gifts, fine dining, travel and allowances, according to three people with knowledge of the encounters.

Greenberg introduced the women to Gaetz, who also had sex with them, the people said.


One of the women who had sex with both men also agreed to have sex with an unidentified associate of theirs in Florida Republican politics, according to a person familiar with the arrangement. Greenberg had initially contacted her online and introduced her to Gaetz, the person said.

Gaetz denied ever paying a woman for sex.

The Justice Department inquiry is also examining whether Gaetz had sex with a 17-year-old girl and whether she received anything of material value, according to four people familiar with the investigation. The sex trafficking count against Greenberg involved the same girl, according to two people briefed on the investigation.

The authorities have also investigated whether other men connected to Gaetz and Greenberg had sex with the 17-year-old, two of the people said.

Gaetz, 38, was elected to Congress in 2016 and became one of former President Donald Trump’s most outspoken advocates.

The Times has reviewed receipts from Cash App, a mobile payments app, and Apple Pay that show payments from Gaetz and Greenberg to one of the women, and a payment from Greenberg to a second woman. The women told their friends that the payments were for sex with the two men, according to two people familiar with the conversations.

In encounters during 2019 and 2020, Gaetz and Greenberg instructed the women to meet at certain times and places, often at hotels around Florida, and would tell them the amount of money they were willing to pay, according to the messages and interviews.

One person said that the men also paid in cash, sometimes withdrawn from a hotel ATM.
Some of the men and women took ecstasy, an illegal mood-altering drug, before having sex, including Gaetz, two people familiar with the encounters said.

In some cases, Gaetz asked women to help find others who might be interested in having sex with him and his friends, according to two people familiar with those conversations. Should anyone inquire about their relationships, one person said, Gaetz told the women to say that he had paid for hotel rooms and dinners as part of their dates.

The FBI has questioned multiple women involved in the encounters, including as recently as January, to establish details of their relationships with Gaetz and his friends, according to text messages and two people familiar with the interviews.

No charges have been brought against Gaetz, and the extent of his criminal exposure is unclear. Gaetz’s office issued a statement Thursday night in a response to a request for comment.

“Matt Gaetz has never paid for sex,” the statement said. “Matt Gaetz refutes all the disgusting allegations completely. Matt Gaetz has never ever been on any such websites whatsoever. Matt Gaetz cherishes the relationships in his past and looks forward to marrying the love of his life.”

A lawyer for Greenberg, Fritz Scheller, declined to comment, as did a Justice Department spokesman.

It is not illegal to provide adults with free hotel stays, meals and other gifts, but if prosecutors think they can prove that the payments to the women were for sex, they could accuse Gaetz of trafficking the women under “force, fraud or coercion.” For example, prosecutors have filed trafficking charges against people suspected of providing drugs in exchange for sex because feeding another person’s drug habit could be seen as a form of coercion.

It is also a violation of federal child sex trafficking law to provide someone under 18 with anything of value in exchange for sex, which can include meals, hotels, drugs, alcohol or cigarettes.

The investigation stems from the Justice Department’s continuing inquiry into Greenberg, who potentially faces decades in prison on three dozen charges. The U.S. attorney’s office in Central Florida initially secured an indictment against Greenberg in June, alleging that he had stalked a political rival and had used his elected office to create fake identification cards.

During the investigation, the authorities discovered evidence that prompted them to broaden it, and Greenberg was indicted in August on the sex trafficking charge.

One of the sites the men met women through was called “Seeking Arrangement,” which describes itself as a place where wealthy people find attractive companions and pamper them “with fine dinners, exotic trips and allowances.” The site’s founder has said it has 20 million members worldwide. The FBI mentioned the website in a conversation with at least one potential witness, according to a person familiar with the conversation.

Greenberg was indicted this week on additional charges, accusing him of submitting false claims to receive pandemic relief aid from the government and trying to bribe a government official. The authorities said Greenberg undertook those efforts after he was initially indicted last summer.

Greenberg has pleaded not guilty to the earlier charges and is scheduled to go on trial in June. He was sent to jail in March for violating the terms of his bail.

Gaetz said this week that his lawyers had been in touch with the Justice Department and that he was the subject, not the target, of an investigation.

Subjects of investigations are often witnesses or people who might have information that could help the government pursue its targets. But it is common for that designation to shift during an investigation.

“I only know that it has to do with women,” Gaetz said. “I have a suspicion that someone is trying to recategorize my generosity to ex-girlfriends as something more untoward.”

Gaetz, a lawyer, was first elected to the House representing the Florida Panhandle at age 34. The son of a former president of the Florida state Senate, Gaetz attended Florida State University and William & Mary Law School before serving in the Florida Legislature.

Gaetz has sought to divert attention from the Justice Department investigation by claiming he and his father were the targets of an extortion plot by two men.

The men — Robert Kent, a former Air Force intelligence officer who runs a consulting business, and Stephen Alford, a real estate developer who has been convicted of fraud — approached Gaetz’s father, Don Gaetz, about funding their efforts to locate Robert A. Levinson, an American hostage held in Iran.

They suggested to Don Gaetz that Levinson’s successful return could somehow be used to secure a pardon for Matt Gaetz if he were charged with federal crimes, according to a copy of their proposal provided to The Times.

Soon after, Don Gaetz hired a lawyer and contacted the FBI. Matt Gaetz said his father wore a wire and taped a meeting and a telephone conversation with Alford. An email exchange between Don Gaetz’s lawyer and the Justice Department provided to The Times appears to confirm he was generally cooperating with the FBI as it looked into his claims.

Kent denied the Gaetzes’ assertions. He said he had heard rumors that Matt Gaetz might be under investigation and mentioned them only to sweeten his proposal.

“I told him I’m not trying to extort, but if this were true, he might be interested in doing something good,” Kent said in an interview.

Last year, the Trump administration notified the family of Levinson, a former FBI agent, that he had died while in captivity in Iran, where he disappeared in 2007 while on an unauthorized mission for the CIA. But some people involved with the Levinson case continued to believe that he might still be alive, including Kent.

He was stunned when he heard that Matt Gaetz had sought to tie the Justice Department investigation to an extortion plot related to the Levinson case.

“He threw Levinson and the entire Levinson family under the bus,” Kent said. “I can’t imagine what these poor people have been through.”

Don Gaetz also taped a phone call and a meeting with David McGee, a Levinson family lawyer, where they discussed the rescue proposal. In an interview, McGee denied any involvement and suggested Matt Gaetz was conflating the matter inappropriately with his own potential criminal liability.

“He’s trying to distract attention from a pending tidal wave that is about to sink his ship,” McGee said.
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Matt Gaetz Says He Won’t Resign as Pressure Mounts
Florida Republican, under an FBI investigation into possible sex-trafficking violations, denies wrongdoing

WSJ

WASHINGTON— Rep. Matt Gaetz (R., Fla.) on Friday said he wouldn’t resign in the face of rising pressure over reports that the FBI has been investigating him since last summer, in part over whether he broke federal sex-trafficking laws.

“Of course not,” Mr. Gaetz said in a text message Friday, addressing whether he would leave office. He declined to say more, citing Good Friday. His lawyer also said Mr. Gaetz wouldn’t step down.

With the House in recess, members have been largely silent about Mr. Gaetz since Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R., Calif.) earlier in the week referred to “serious implications” in connection with the Federal Bureau of Investigation inquiry. But in the state capital of Tallahassee, Republicans were already discussing who would replace Mr. Gaetz, people familiar with the conversations said.

“His political brethren are already jockeying to take his seat,” said former Florida Rep. David Jolly. “They’re not insulating him—they’re already assuming that Matt’s political career is over.”

“These scandals hit a certain point where there’s no escape,” Mr. Jolly said. “We’ve clearly hit that point for Matt in Florida politics.”


The Justice Department’s investigation is examining whether Mr. Gaetz and another man, former Seminole County tax collector Joel Greenberg, paid women in cash or gifts in exchange for sex, people familiar with the investigation said.

Investigators believe Mr. Greenberg, who was indicted last year on a federal sex-trafficking charge and other crimes, met the women online through so-called sugar-daddy websites that connect people for dates in exchange for expensive gifts or travel. Mr. Greenberg has pleaded not guilty to charges including illegally obtaining personal information from a state computer database, wire fraud and money laundering. He is expected to face trial in June.

The investigation is looking at whether Mr. Greenberg introduced some of the women to Mr. Gaetz, who also allegedly had sex with them, the people said. People familiar with the probe have described Mr. Greenberg as a friend and political ally of the congressman. The connection was earlier reported by the New York Times.

The Justice Department is also investigating whether Mr. Gaetz had sex with a girl who was 17 at the time of the encounters about two years ago, The Wall Street Journal has reported. The probe is looking at whether she received anything of value in exchange, including travel, in violation of federal sex-trafficking laws.

Investigators in recent months have interviewed multiple women as part of the case, the people said.

Mr. Gaetz has denied any wrongdoing and portrayed the accusations against him as part of a scheme to get his family to pay $25 million to put an end to the investigation. “What is happening is an extortion of me and my family involving a former Department of Justice official,” he said earlier this week.

Many House Republicans seek an early end to the attention to Mr. Gaetz because they don’t want it to damage what they believe is a chance to take back control of the House in 2022 given the Democrats’ narrow 219-211 majority. Privately, many Republicans in Congress are ready for Mr. Gaetz to leave, according to GOP figures who have spoken to lawmakers.

Mr. Gaetz’s behavior in Congress has raised eyebrows among some lawmakers and aides on the Hill. One former lawmaker described how Mr. Gaetz had shown him videos of his sexual partners in the House Republican cloakroom. A current lawmaker described Mr. Gaetz one day bragging to him on a walk from the Capitol about going to bars and being around “fine women.” A congressional aide said that after Mr. Gaetz got engaged last year, he said, “I’m really loving this monogamy thing,” adding that Mr. Gaetz was drawing a contrast to his previous lifestyle.

Mr. Gaetz didn’t respond to a further request for comment Friday evening.

Mr. Gaetz’s behavior also came into question during his service in Florida’s state legislature from 2010 to 2016, according to a person familiar with the matter. While in Tallahassee, he and others competed against each other in a contest over having sexual relationships with women, operating under a point system in which participants were awarded one point for sleeping with a lobbyist and two points if the lobbyist was married, this person said.


“You created a game where members of the FL House got “points” for sleeping with aides, interns, lobbyists, and married legislators,” said Florida state Rep. Chris Latvala and fellow Republican on Twitter last year. “Hope DC is treating you well.”

At the time Mr. Gaetz replied on Twitter that “just because I own you on twitter, don’t confuse me for your daddy when it comes to abusing power for sex,” in a reference to Mr. Latvala’s father, a powerful state lawmaker who resigned in 2018 after facing accusations of sexual harassment.
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rfenst wrote:
Young girl(s) or not, Gaetz is a POS..


Unlike you, I can't say that Gaetz is a POS. You've formed your opinion out of what evidence?
Don't know much about him myself.
Sure there are Republicans that are POS's, but after close study for many years, I've concluded they've got some very stiff competition from the Progressive Democrats who excel in POSness.
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Orlando Sentinel
While serving in the Florida Legislature, U.S. Rep. Matt Gaetz opposed a bill meant to stop people from sharing sexually explicit images of their ex-lovers because Gaetz believed that recipients of those images had a right to share them, according to the sponsor of the legislation.

Former state Rep. Tom Goodson, a Republican from Brevard County, spent three years sponsoring legislation to outlaw nonconsensual pornography — sometimes called “revenge porn.”

And Goodson said Monday that Gaetz was the chief opponent to that legislation. Goodson said he remembered a meeting in which Gaetz said that if someone sends an intimate image to their romantic partner, then that image becomes the partner’s property to use however they want.

“Matt was absolutely against it. He thought the picture was his to do with what he wanted,” Goodson said. “He thought that any picture was his to use as he wanted to, as an expression of his rights.”

Neither Gaetz nor his office responded to requests for comment Monday. The Panhandle Republican is reportedly under federal investigation over allegations that he had sex with a 17-year-old girl and that he and former Seminole County Tax Collector Joel Greenberg recruited other women online and paid them for sex.

Gaetz has said he has never slept with an underage girl nor has he ever paid for sex.

The Gaetz investigation, which emerged out of a sprawling criminal probe into Greenberg, has put a national microscope on Gaetz’s personal behavior in Washington, where has been a member of Congress since 2017, and in Tallahassee, where he served as a state legislator from 2010 until 2016.

The Washington Post reported last week that Gaetz boasted to people in Florida politics about women he met through Greenberg, citing two unnamed people who said they heard Gaetz’s comments directly. Those people also told the Post that Gaetz had shown them videos on his phone of naked or topless women on multiple occasions.

CNN reported that Gaetz showed other lawmakers photos and videos of naked women that he said he had sex with — including while on the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives. CNN cited two unnamed people who said they had been shown the material.

Before he became a member of Congress, Gaetz was a prominent figure in the Florida Legislature, where he was a member of the House and his father served as president of the Senate.

That made Gaetz a powerful opponent to legislation he didn’t like — like the bill to outlaw nonconsensual porn, which happens when someone shares intimate photos or videos of former lovers without their consent. (Activists prefer that term to “revenge porn,” because the word revenge suggests the person in the imagesdid something deserving of retaliation.)

Beginning around 2013, activists spent at least three years trying to pass a nonconsensual pornography law through the Florida Legislature. But they had trouble getting by Gaetz.

In 2014, for instance, a bill cleared two Senate committees and the full Senate by unanimous votes. But the House version of the legislation, which attracted 17 co-sponsors, was never given a hearing in the first committee it was assigned to — a committee that was chaired by Gaetz.

It was around that time that Goodson said he had the meeting with Gaetz in which Gaetz said he felt that intimate images voluntarily sent to someone were the recipient’s property to use however they pleased. Goodson said the meeting was between he, Gaetz and the late Sandy D’Alemberte, a former state legislator and Florida State University president and law professor who died in 2019.

At the time, several other lawmakers and lobbyists who worked on the issue said privately that Gaetz was the chief antagonist to the legislation, though nobody would say so publicly.

“If you crossed him, he was after you,” Goodson said Monday.

The nonconsensual porn legislation finally passed in 2015, clearing the state House on a 114-2 vote. The only two no votes were Gaetz and former Republican state Rep. John Tobia, who was one of Gaetz’s roommates in Tallahassee and is now a Brevard County commissioner.

But even then, the House significantly weakened the legislation before approving it.

For instance, the Senate version of the bill would have made it illegal to post explicit photos or videos without someone’s consent or to email or text them to others. The House narrowed the bill down so that it only outlawed posting the images to websites — emailing or texting them to others remained legal. The Senate was forced to accept the House’s weakened version of the bill because the state House abruptly ended its session early that year amid a broader fight over whether to expand Medicaid coverage to more low-income Floridians.

“We passed a less-than-adequate version [of the law] as a result of the fact that the House went home,” former state Sen. David Simmons, R-Altamonte Springs, the sponsor of the Senate bill, said Monday.

The Legislature didn’t pass another bill strengthening the state’s nonconsensual porn law until 2019 — after Gaetz had moved on to Washington.
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#39 Posted:
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He's a Republican so he's gone. He'll resign. He's not a Democrat and gets to be a governor of NY or President!
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Like stuart smalley
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"creepy joe" gets typed here a lot, but turns out gaetz's comrades have been calling him creepy for a looong time.

It's kind of fascinating watching the parrying going on. Doesn't look like this will be an unclear case in the end, either disgustingly guilty with lots more to come out, or disgustingly victimized unfairly by people with evil intent.
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frankj1 wrote:
"creepy joe" gets typed here a lot, but turns out gaetz's comrades have been calling him creepy for a looong time.

It's kind of fascinating watching the parrying going on. Doesn't look like this will be an unclear case in the end, either disgustingly guilty with lots more to come out, or disgustingly victimized unfairly by people with evil intent.


It gets typed here because you can go to YouTube and finds loads of videos where he's grabbing little girl's nipples, feeling them up and down or doing his patented hair sniff whatever that is it must work for him move that is flat out creepy. Please show me the "creepy" video of Gaetz groping little girls.

As for Gaetz...if he's guilty burn him down. I'm against the "unnamed sources" the MSM uses to smear the right but cover the left. It's like a 99 to 1 rate too. If I'm reading a story I want facts. I don't care about the authors feelings, who's paying them or even who they are. FACTS. If you can't deliver the facts and you call yourself a journalist...just shoot yourself in the temple because you will always suck. Real people that are willing to go on the record with verifiable proof that he/she said/did this this and this. If you don't have it, don't write it. It s that simple. It's really sad to see what some people are willing to settle on or with.

What I saw and read just here with regards to Justice Kavanaugh was enough to sway me that whatever the harshest punishment a person would be convicted of if guilty...times that by 100 for a liar that gets 24/7 wall to wall coverage and impunes the reputation of a family name that either can rip them down or tear a legacy apart.
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for your sake, I hope it doesn't turn out he's also a cannibal.
That would make him a Democrat hiding out in the GOP.

Though I'm of the opinion pedophiles can be found in more than one political party, I understand how that would hurt.
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#44 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
for your sake, I hope it doesn't turn out he's also a cannibal.
That would make him a Democrat hiding out in the GOP.

Though I'm of the opinion pedophiles can be found in more than one political party, I understand how that would hurt.


Yeah...it's all political...got it.
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#45 Posted:
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just going by what you post on these subjects.
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#46 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
just going by what you post on these subjects.



Prove me wrong.
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#47 Posted:
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Lordy
frankj1 Offline
#48 Posted:
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yeah, I don't have the energy.
no one is likely to change.
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#49 Posted:
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soooo...anything new on the extortion front, or was that just a smokescreen? no GOP buddies have publicly come out in support of Gaetz and giving credibility to the extortion angle...crickets there...


interestingly, the GOP isn't pressuring Gaetz, who many have privately called a perv, to resign...guess if you don't have an agenda or a plan, there's nothing of importance to distract attention away from

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It appears that Gaetz may have sought a blanket pardon from Trump. Need to verify this. Even if true, it's only circumstantial.
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