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ZRX1200 Offline
#51 Posted: Wed, Oct 20 2021, 9:55 PM EST
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Yeah again it’s called escalation of force. And we’ve seen in the age of #defundthepolice that every time a cop kills someone it’s wrong, except here.

Did the cop fear for his life? If so he was in the wrong line of work.

Cops are actually trained to shoot until the threat is gone, not necessarily dead. But indeed they don’t shoot to wound….not exactly the same thing. And man it would be nice if citizens we’re given the same leeway in shootings.

Stores in SF are NOT ALLOWED to o ANYTHING if it’s under $1K (theft). I can’t imagine they can legally open carry, and I’m pretty sure it’s a “shall issue” state for concealed carry. So I’m kind of confused as to how the liquor store employee is supposed to even be able to defend himself with lethal force. The law does NOTHING to protect citizens or businesses….I’m not sure you know how this is working. The State of California has gone as far as having a handgun “roster” you’re only allowed to own certain firearms. You’re not allowed to carry ammo and firearm in the same part of the vehicle, and in SF I don’t think you’re allowed to carry a loaded firearm unless you have a concealed carry license (and again good luck with that unless you’re either a celebrity or a politician you know the people that can afford security….)

The only time lethal force is justified is when your life is in danger.

P USSIES shouldn’t be cops. Period. But they’re everywhere and they let you grab them when you’re rich and famous.
Abrignac Offline
#52 Posted: Wed, Oct 20 2021, 11:35 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Yeah again it’s called escalation of force. And we’ve seen in the age of #defundthepolice that every time a cop kills someone it’s wrong, except here.

Did the cop fear for his life? If so he was in the wrong line of work.

Cops are actually trained to shoot until the threat is gone, not necessarily dead. But indeed they don’t shoot to wound….not exactly the same thing. And man it would be nice if citizens we’re given the same leeway in shootings.

Stores in SF are NOT ALLOWED to o ANYTHING if it’s under $1K (theft). I can’t imagine they can legally open carry, and I’m pretty sure it’s a “shall issue” state for concealed carry. So I’m kind of confused as to how the liquor store employee is supposed to even be able to defend himself with lethal force. The law does NOTHING to protect citizens or businesses….I’m not sure you know how this is working. The State of California has gone as far as having a handgun “roster” you’re only allowed to own certain firearms. You’re not allowed to carry ammo and firearm in the same part of the vehicle, and in SF I don’t think you’re allowed to carry a loaded firearm unless you have a concealed carry license (and again good luck with that unless you’re either a celebrity or a politician you know the people that can afford security….)

The only time lethal force is justified is when your life is in danger.

P USSIES shouldn’t be cops. Period. But they’re everywhere and they let you grab them when you’re rich and famous.


So if someone points a firearm at a LEO he should not be in fear that his life may be about to be taken? Any sane person would be in fear for their life. They last person that anyone should want as a commission LEO is someone who thinks he’s invincible.

LEO’s are in fact taught to shoot to kill. They are taught to shoot at center of mass to cause maximum damage to major internal organs. They are issued hollow point ammunition meant to cause maximum damage without over penetrating to prevent bullets from passing through the intended target and injuring a bystander.

On the other hand, I know of no place in the US where anyone is prohibited from defending himself.
ZRX1200 Offline
#53 Posted: Thu, Oct 21 2021, 12:54 AM EST
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I don’t think you understand the context here, I was talking to Brewha about the CP officer that shot blind out of a window, nobody was pointing a gun at him, or a knife, or a brick.

They use hollow points? No way I had no idea! Without over penetrating? Huh, weird that Hornaday Critical Duty has more penetration to get through car windshield than regular Critical Defense. Some of this is semantics.

What do you call it when you disarm people?
ZRX1200 Offline
#54 Posted: Thu, Oct 21 2021, 12:57 AM EST
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We’re you not trained to render first aid after a threat was ended and the suspect was secured?
Abrignac Offline
#55 Posted: Thu, Oct 21 2021, 1:31 AM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I don’t think you understand the context here, I was talking to Brewha about the CP officer that shot blind out of a window, nobody was pointing a gun at him, or a knife, or a brick.

No really sure what your point is here.

They use hollow points? No way I had no idea! Without over penetrating? Huh, weird that Hornaday Critical Duty has more penetration to get through car windshield than regular Critical Defense. Some of this is semantics.

Just because it is named “Critical Duty” doesn’t mean it used as duty ammo by a LEO. According to the product verbiage it can penetrate bricks.

From the Hornady website, “ Designed to meet the needs of those who demand superior barrier penetration and prefer a full-size handgun for their personal protection. Critical Duty® is loaded with the tough Hornady® FlexLock® bullet that delivers "barrier blind" performance when shot through common urban barriers.”

This has liability written all over. No LEO is taught to shoot through any “common urban barrier.” Instead, they are taught they are responsible for ever round sent downrange. To shoot through a barrier invites waaaaaaay too many unknowns.

What do you call it when you disarm people?

Disarming a person.


Abrignac Offline
#56 Posted: Thu, Oct 21 2021, 1:34 AM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
We’re you not trained to render first aid after a threat was ended and the suspect was secured?


Sure LEO’s are taught to render first aid. That starts once the threat is neutralized and the subject responsible for that threat is properly restrained; even if dead.
ZRX1200 Offline
#57 Posted: Thu, Oct 21 2021, 10:34 AM EST
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You drinking?

If you’re not sure of the context then you did a lot of typing for no reason. And if you’re not sure what my point was then I know you have no idea what Brewha and I were discussing with eachother and (see previous sentence).
ZRX1200 Offline
#58 Posted: Thu, Oct 21 2021, 11:21 AM EST
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“They don’t shoot to wound”
Smooth light Offline
#59 Posted: Thu, Oct 21 2021, 1:05 PM EST
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Too much RedTape, shoot to kill.

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