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Tell lawmakers to drop cruel ‘don’t say gay’ bill
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ORLANDO SENTINEL EDITORIAL

It’s 2022. The overwhelming majority of Americans (82 percent, in one recent poll) believe that LGBTQ-plus people should be protected by civil rights laws. A solid majority support same-sex marriage and say sexual minorities should be allowed to serve in the military. Across Florida, people who identify as sexual minorities are being elected to state and local office; in a 2019 poll, 70 percent of respondents said they’d be open to electing a gay president.

So why is the state Legislature so focused on attacking LGBTQ-plus individuals? The answer is ugly and cynical: They are singling out sexual minorities because they consider it to be good politics. Anti-gay legislation panders to the prejudiced minority in GOP lawmakers’ right-wing base. And it divides the attention of progressive opponents who might instead be protesting legislation that favors special interests, guts environmental protections or otherwise elevates greed over good policy.

As for the vast numbers of Floridians who are politically moderate or nonpartisan — lawmakers know those voters probably support rights for LGBTQ-plus people. But lawmakers are betting that those middle-of-the-road voters don’t feel strongly enough about the issue to influence the way they vote.

Residents of Central Florida, many of whom still remember scrolling through the list of victims of the Pulse nightclub massacre looking for familiar names, should let lawmakers know they are disgusted by this attempt to weaponize bigotry. There’s one bill in particular to protest: The so-called “don’t say gay” bill (HB 1557/SB 1834)

The bill is an insidious, nasty piece of work. If it passes, it could make life hell for LGBTQ-plus students and faculty in Florida’s public schools, increasing the risk of self-harm, sex-based offenses and depression. Gay, lesbian and bisexual youth are already nearly three times more likely to attempt suicide, and report more bullying and harassment.
And that’s just the edge of the knife: Though this masquerades as parental-rights legislation, the bigger impact would be to put every Florida classroom at the mercy of the handful of zealots who are still fighting the sexual-identity war — from both sides.


The legislation, which has already been approved by one House committee, has two parts. The first would strip students of confidentiality by requiring parental notification when ‘there is a change in services or monitoring around their child’s ‘mental, emotional, or physical health or well-being.’ ”

That’s being widely interpreted as a mandate for districts to “out” students who confide in school counselors that they identify as gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender or another non-heterosexual identity — a move that is likely to put some students at risk of physical or emotional abuse, even complete rejection from their parents. The bill purports to offer an escape hatch, saying districts don’t have to offer up information that puts a student’s safety in danger. But it’s clearly meant to force educators to weigh their own professional futures against the interests of the students who might confide in them.

It’s hard to understand why lawmakers want to mandate such cruelty, knowing that this legislation will do the most harm to students who are already vulnerable because they fear their families won’t accept them.

The other half of the bill is just as bad, in a different way. It declares that “school district(s) may not encourage classroom discussion about sexual orientation or gender identity in primary grade levels or in a manner that is not age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students.”

That’s vague language that leaves far too much room for interpretation. But the real problem is how the legislation would be enforced: It would allow any parent who believed their child was exposed to “inappropriate” discussion to sue the district, and claim damages and attorney’s fees.


Think about the impact this legislation would have on teachers. They wouldn’t have any written guidelines; instead, they’d have to guard themselves against anything that might upset just one set of parents among the two dozen or more that they deal with in each class.

And they’d have to tread lightly on both sides of this issue — because (as lawmakers seem to have forgotten) “heterosexual” is just as much a sexual identity as lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender, and would be just as off-topic.
Let’s say a teacher lets it slip that she believes in traditional family roles — or simply identifies her spouse by gender. What’s the risk of some parent taking offense to that and filing suit? How are teachers supposed to effectively communicate with their students — let alone protect those students who are at risk of bullying or abuse because they are members of sexual minorities — with the constant threat of a lawsuit hanging over their heads?

Lawmakers need to hear from their constituents that Florida has better, more important priorities to attend to — and that they see through this this callous bid to incite a culture war for political gain at the expense of vulnerable young people.
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It's Florida, hate is Desanto's friend. This will be passes. No one wants to call out Prince Desantos for what he is, as no one wants to call out King Trump for what he is. Elected Republicans have became cowards in states with many alt right supporters.
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Column: California should abolish parenthood, in the name of equity

JOE MATHEWS | ZÓCALO PUBLIC SQUARE | 10:17 am PST January 13, 2022

If California is ever going to achieve true equity, the state must require parents to give away their children.

Today’s Californians often hold up equity — the goal of a just society completely free from bias — as our greatest value. Gov. Gavin Newsom makes decisions through “an equity lens.” Institutions from dance ensembles to tech companies have publicly pledged themselves to equity.

But their promises are no match for the power of parents.

Fathers and mothers with greater wealth and education are more likely to transfer these advantages to their children, compounding privilege over generations. As a result, children of less advantaged parents face an uphill struggle, social mobility has stalled, and democracy has been corrupted. More Californians are abandoning the dream; a recent Public Policy Institute of California poll found declining belief in the notion that you can get ahead through hard work.

My solution — making raising your own children illegal — is simple, and while we wait for the legislation to pass, we can act now: the rich and poor should trade kids, and homeowners might swap children with their homeless neighbors.

Now, I recognize that some naysayers will dismiss such a policy as ghastly, even totalitarian. But my proposal is quite modest, a fusion of traditional philosophy and today’s most common political obsessions.

In his “Republic,” Plato adopted Socrates’ sage advice — that children “be possessed in common, so that no parent will know his own offspring or any child his parents” — in order to defeat nepotism, and create citizens loyal not to their sons but to society.

Today, a policy of universal orphanhood aligns with powerful social trends that point to less interest in family. Californians are slower to marry, and are having fewer children — our birth rate is at an all-time low.

My proposal also should be politically unifying, fitting hand-in-glove with the most cherished policies of progressives and Trumpians alike.

The left’s introduction of anti-racism and gender identity in schools faces a bitter backlash from parents. Ending parenthood would end the backlash, helping dismantle white supremacy and outdated gender norms. Democrats also would have the opportunity to build a new pillar of the safety net — a child-raising system called “Foster Care for All.”

Over on the right, Republicans are happy to jettison parents’ rights in pursuit of their greatest passions, like violating migrant rights. Once you’ve gone so far as to take immigrant children from their parents and put them in border concentration camps, it’s a short walk to separating all Americans from their progeny.

Universal orphanhood also dovetails nicely with the pro-life campaign to end abortion rights. In fact, a suggestion from Justice Amy Coney Barrett, during a recent case that could overturn Roe, inspired this column. She posited that abortion rights are no longer necessary because all 50 states now have “safe haven” laws allowing women to turn their babies over to authorities after birth. My proposal would merely make mandatory such handovers of babies to the state.

Perhaps such coercion sounds dystopian. But just imagine the solidarity that universal orphanhood would create. Wouldn’t children, raised in one system, find it easier to collaborate on global problems?

Now, I don’t expect universal support for universal orphanhood. A few contrarians, lost in the empty chasm between American extremes, might object to this rational proposal on emotional grounds. They might argue that pursuing your own conception of family is fundamental to freedom.

They also may suggest that people don’t really want to start or finish at the same point in life.

They may even say that what we really desire is what the title orphan of the musical Annie demanded: “I didn’t want to be just another orphan, Mr. Warbucks. I wanted to believe I was special.”

But don’t pay those critics any mind. Because they just can’t see how our relentless pursuit of equity might birth a brave new world.
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^ but Desantos is crazy…..
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Speyside2 wrote:
It's Florida, hate is Desanto's friend. This will be passes. No one wants to call out Prince Desantos for what he is, as no one wants to call out King Trump for what he is. Elected Republicans have became cowards in states with many alt right supporters.



This is the 2nd time today articles were posted designed to smear Gov. DeSantis.

Neither attempt is valid. 1st one was a feeble attempt to paint him as a Nazi. It's not accurate to those living in this state.

This one trying to paint him as anti-LGBTQ+...naw, that's not going to work either. While he has a wife and children he hasn't made any attack at their communities. This is just more DNC rhetoric to whip up their rabid base. They need it because the Red Wave is coming. Gov Ron DeSantis is riding high on it right now. Winning a state like Florida by a margin of just over 30K votes, keeping the state open and leading the way for other states to follow in the Covid plandemic and making the state a true GOP state by leading for the 1st time in party voter registration.

He's going to be a great President one day. Keep your powder dry.
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How would Viktor Orbán vote?
Make America Hungary '24


Pro family with a Judeo-Christian worldview & a rare eye toward what will benefit his nation the most.

Are things established by nature & by law in your worldview?

Haters gonna hate the nuclear family. I guess it's problematic to promote such a thing with tax policy but boy, Is it good for a nation of peoples!
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Dg west deptford wrote:
How would Viktor Orbán vote?
Make America Hungary '24


Pro family with a Judeo-Christian worldview & a rare eye toward what will benefit his nation the most.

Are things established by nature & by law in your worldview?

Haters gonna hate the nuclear family. I guess it's problematic to promote such a thing with tax policy but boy, Is it good for a nation of peoples!



And that's why the DNC is losing the Hispanic voting bloc. They are the nuclear family, religious and law abiding, hard working...not the gimme gimme all the freebie leeches they think and treat them like they are.
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Why'd you never see a 12in long nose?
It would be a foot
RayR Offline
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Disrupting the Nuclear Family? Where have we heard this before?

https://fee.org/articles/black-lives-matter-s-goal-to-disrupt-the-nuclear-family-fits-a-marxist-aim-that-goes-back-a-century-and-a-half/
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Gov Ron DeSantis is riding high on it right now. Winning a state like Florida by a margin of just over 30K votes...
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He didn't even get 50% of the vote and only won by .4%. Hardly a mandate
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Maybe they need repperations too ?

Like the minority that's been complaining overtime since
March of 2020....

So tired of the complaining....

Try being GANGSTALKED by the FBI-SSG for over 6+ years,
9+ murder attempts on your life and getting $1+ million in cash stolen from your H.U.T. IN THE LAST DECADE 2012-2018..

( NOT IN 1800-1865)

THEN YOU CAN BITCH AND MOAN...

TILL THEN?

GIVE IT A FREAKIN REST...
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rfenst wrote:
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He didn't even get 50% of the vote and only won by .4%. Hardly a mandate



Where did I say he has a mandate?

What I did say is that he's riding high on the Red Wave that is going to wash the DNC out of power in the House and Senate and made him a prominent GOP Presidential contender!

Here's a question I'd like you to answer. How do you think your life would be different if Gillum had won the election?

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How did the mathematician get fat?
He ate too much pi
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Where did I say he has a mandate?

What I did say is that he's riding high on the Red Wave that is going to wash the DNC out of power in the House and Senate and made him a prominent GOP Presidential contender!

Here's a question I'd like you to answer. How do you think your life would be different if Gillum had won the election?


We dodged a bullet with Gillum, no debate on that one. Thankfully, he lost. We could be in deep ****. Who knows?
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rfenst wrote:
We dodged a bullet with Gillum, no debate on that one. Thankfully, he lost. We could be in deep ****. Who knows?


It would be kinda funny if Florida’s governor was a communist crackhead. I’d feel better about living in a socialist dictatorship. I could at least make Florida Communist Man jokes!
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Why did the man miss the funeral?
He wasn't a mourning person
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I guess I am surprised there is any backlash regarding schools having to disclose to parents what their kids say to a counselor, nurse, etc.

It's my kid, you damn well better tell me.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
^ but Desantis is crazy…..

He is far from crazy, just too rough and nasty. And, IMO, he will be president after the next election if Trump doesn't run or the one after that.
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Friend lost his license for sleeping with a patient. He was a great vet
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The Truth about the bill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOV6xedJwPQ
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Stogie1020 wrote:
I guess I am surprised there is any backlash regarding schools having to disclose to parents what their kids say to a counselor, nurse, etc.

It's my kid, you damn well better tell me.


Maybe it was something they didn't want to talk to you about?

Maybe a drug dealer would make a better consoler than a counselor.
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Gene363 wrote:
The Truth about the bill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOV6xedJwPQ


That was really well explained.

It is pure socialist dogma laid bare
The belief is that the state owns the children, and the state and its cronies will decide who is fit to be parents, that would those that faithfully do and believe exactly as the progressive regime tells them. Failure to obey will not be tolerated.
The most laughable part is the very idea that a gang of thieves writ large called the state is somehow the fount of what is right and moral. It's no hyperbole that the state-run schools have really become state indoctrination centers.

Whatever happened to teaching reading, writing, and arithmetic?




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Our federal education system is less than worthless. My niece and nephew go to a private school that is well regarded. They are actually receiving an education.
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RayR wrote:
That was really well explained.

It is pure socialist dogma laid bare
The belief is that the state owns the children, and the state and its cronies will decide who is fit to be parents, that would those that faithfully do and believe exactly as the progressive regime tells them. Failure to obey will not be tolerated.
The most laughable part is the very idea that a gang of thieves writ large called the state is somehow the fount of what is right and moral. It's no hyperbole that the state-run schools have really become state indoctrination centers.

Whatever happened to teaching reading, writing, and arithmetic?



I think the part people are up in arms about is history and sex ed... and math, for some reason dumb azz parents can't figure out common core.

History... I think there's some middle ground to be had there if people weren't so stubborn (both sides).

Sex Ed... that dude's an old perve, I get it... I also get not encouraging kids to mutilate their bodies.... that's just not sane. Cali and NY probably the only ones doing this.

I don't see where the state is trying to own children. If your state is too overbearing for your liking... move to a different state.
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Speyside2 wrote:
It's Florida, hate is Desanto's friend. This will be passes. No one wants to call out Prince Desantos for what he is, as no one wants to call out King Trump for what he is. Elected Republicans have became cowards in states with many alt right supporters.



You really need to stay away from the keyboard when hitting the crack pipe
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^ not bad, not bad at all. Dare I hope you have a subtle side?
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Speyside2 wrote:
^ not bad, not bad at all. Dare I hope you have a subtle side?



Where's your sense of humor...........don't be such a tight azz
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Right in that statement. I was subtly saying I liked your humor.
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My mother never breast fed me. She told me that she only liked me as a friend.
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bgz wrote:
I think the part people are up in arms about is history and sex ed... and math, for some reason dumb azz parents can't figure out common core.

History... I think there's some middle ground to be had there if people weren't so stubborn (both sides).
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It's not that parents can't figure out common core math. It's more about the WHY?
Why change how math equations are solved, when the common core solution is convoluted, slow, and doesn't necessarily extrapolate into real life. We're not teaching kids a cute new way just for fun. We should be teaching how to arrive at the solution and then show how it translates to real life examples.
The new math doesn't do this, or at least it didn't when it was my kids.

Saying it's the parents fault for being a dumb azz does nothing but hide the problem. Parents don't complain when they don't understand their kids Latin homework. Lots can't figure out juniors calculus, but they don't complain about that either. You're missing the reason for the backlash, and I can't determine if it's on purpose or if you genuinely can't grasp it.


As for history, there shouldn't be "middle ground". There should simply be history. The bare facts. Tell the young kids WHAT happened. Let the older kids discuss WHY.
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I see the purpose of the change. It's to promote problem solving and critical thinking skills at an earlier age.

They still do timed tests and all the old school stuff. It's not like they didn't have word problems back then.

I was happy to see that they are teaching what is essentially divide and conquer techniques which should get kids thinking more algorithmically.

I might be biased though... I know more math and techniques of computation than the vast majority of parents.
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Now...let's talk about what the bill really does! It's about parental rights vs creepy strangers sexualizing children before the age of 18 without consent.

Florida’s Parental Rights in Education Bill Hits Target: Gender Ideology Harms Kids




Children are being targeted with sexual content—not just in social media, but also in school curriculums. As with other recent controversies, however, leaders in Florida are fighting back.

Lawmakers in the Sunshine State have introduced a new bill, Parental Rights in Education. If the name doesn’t ring a bell, that may be because big media have mislabeled it as the “Don’t Say Gay” Bill.

The bill would not ban the word “gay.” Rather, it would protect children from teachers and other school officials who seek to sexualize and bombard them with gender ideology.

In particular, it would require schools to be transparent with and get permission from parents for any health services students receive. It would also prohibit elementary school teachers from pushing classroom discussion of sexual orientation and gender identity.

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Liberal activists are claiming that the parental rights bill would harm kids. Nonsense. It would protect young kids from what is, in effect, sexual grooming—whether in the classroom or the nurse’s office.

The fact that this has become a partisan issue is a sign of how bizarre our culture and politics have become.

In recent years, sexually explicit and age-inappropriate material have flooded America’s classrooms. For example, last year in Washington state, a first-grade teacher read students “I Am Jazz”—an infamous children’s book that promotes transgenderism.

Sexually Explicit Content Harms Kids

Anyone with common sense knows that we should protect young children from sexual content. Scientific evidence confirms that wisdom.

We know that early exposure to sexual content can harm young students. It has been linked to poor “mental health, life satisfaction, sexual behavior and attitudes, and pornography-viewing patterns in adulthood.”

Decent schools used to know that kids need visual and intellectual space to flourish and mature into healthy, balanced adults. Unfortunately, times have changed. Schools are now often a pipeline for sexualizing kids as young as kindergarten.

The fact that activist-educators do this in the name of “compassion” or “gender equity” doesn’t change what’s really happening.

Bad Medicine

What’s more, the fashionable gender ideology peddled by many schools is contrary to the best medical evidence.

According to the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 88% to 98% of those struggling with gender dysphoria will reconcile with their biological sex after going through puberty.

Trendy gender interventions can prevent this healing and set children of a lifelong path of surgeries, hormone treatments, costly and painful medical treatment, and physical illness.

That’s the problem with all three stages of the transition trifecta—puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones, and surgery.

But even prior social transition can lead to harm. If a girl spends her teen years presenting and imagining herself as a boy, she will be more likely to take the next steps on the path to gender “transition.”

She won’t get those years back, even if she changes her mind. She will be out of sync with her peers.

Then there’s the physical harm.

Puberty blockers have been shown to reduce bone density, which can lead to lifelong problems. Cross-sex hormones can sterilize those who receive them. And removing sex organs is just sterilization—full stop.

Parents have the most interest and incentive to weigh the options, the risks, and the irreversible, life-altering consequences of these methods.

A healthy culture recognizes that parents—not teachers and school nurses—have the chief responsibility for helping their children who struggle with their sexed bodies.

Transparency

Of course, there’s honest debate about what is age-appropriate and about what is the best treatment for those with gender dysphoria. So, in short, who should decide: teachers, administrators, or parents?

The Florida bill sides with parents—as it should. That’s why much of it is about transparency for parents. Parents can then decide when, if, and how their kids will be exposed to sexually explicit content and referred for therapy and medical treatment.

In a normal world, a law mandating transparency wouldn’t be needed.

Teachers would share the values and priorities of the parents in their communities. Today, however, many public schools treat parents as hostile and reactionary impediments to gender indoctrination.

Those schools aid and abet in the “social transition” of kids who request it—using and enforcing “preferred pronouns” and the like—while hiding it from parents. Parents in Wisconsin and Florida are currently suing their school districts for doing just that.

Such deception strikes at the natural bond between parents and their children. Moms and dads, not teachers and principals, know their children best.

Moms and dad have the right and responsibility to raise their children. They may delegate some of the details to schools, but that does not mean they give up their prerogatives.

The new Florida bill recognizes the well-being of children and the right of their parents to raise and teach them. Other states should ignore the liberal media trolls and follow Florida’s lead.

https://www.dailysignal.com/2022/02/11/floridas-parental-rights-in-education-bill-hits-target-gender-ideology-harms-kids/


So, anyone still opposing this now?
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Here is the actual state Senate version of the bill so you can make up your own mind what it says.
Florida Senate - 2022 SB 1834
By Senator Baxley
12-01508B-22 20221834__
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CODING: Words stricken are deletions; words underlined are additions.
1 A bill to be entitled
2 An act relating to parental rights in education;
3 amending s. 1001.42, F.S.; requiring district school
4 boards to adopt procedures that comport with certain
5 provisions of law for notifying a student’s parent of
6 specified information; requiring such procedures to
7 reinforce the fundamental right of parents to make
8 decisions regarding the upbringing and control of
9 their children in a specified manner; prohibiting the
10 procedures from prohibiting a parent from accessing
11 certain records; providing construction; prohibiting a
12 school district from adopting procedures or student
13 support forms that require school district personnel
14 to withhold from a parent specified information or
15 that encourage or have the effect of encouraging a
16 student to withhold from a parent such information;
17 providing an exception; prohibiting school district
18 personnel from discouraging or prohibiting parental
19 notification and involvement in critical decisions
20 affecting a student’s mental, emotional, or physical
21 well-being; prohibiting a school district from
22 encouraging classroom discussion about sexual
23 orientation or gender identity in primary grade levels
24 or in a specified manner; authorizing a parent to
25 bring an action against a school district to obtain a
26 declaratory judgment that a school district procedure
27 or practice violates certain provisions of law;
28 providing for the additional award of injunctive
29 relief, damages, and reasonable attorney fees
and
Florida Senate - 2022 SB 1834
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30 court costs to certain parents; requiring certain
31 training developed or provided by a school district to
32 adhere to standards established by the Department of
33 Education; requiring the department to review and
34 update, as necessary, specified materials by a certain
35 date; providing an effective date.
36
37 Be It Enacted by the Legislature of the State of Florida:
38
39 Section 1. Paragraph (c) is added to subsection (8) of
40 section 1001.42, Florida Statutes, to read:
41 1001.42 Powers and duties of district school board.—The
42 district school board, acting as a board, shall exercise all
43 powers and perform all duties listed below:
44 (8) STUDENT WELFARE.—
45 (c)1. In accordance with the rights of parents enumerated
46 in ss. 1002.20 and 1014.04, adopt procedures for notifying a
47 student’s parent if there is a change in the student’s services
48 or monitoring related to the student’s mental, emotional, or
49 physical health or well-being and the school’s ability to
50 provide a safe and supportive learning environment for the
51 student. The procedures must reinforce the fundamental right of
52 parents to make decisions regarding the upbringing and control
53 of their children by requiring school district personnel to
54 encourage a student to discuss issues relating to his or her
55 well-being with his or her parent or to seek permission to
56 discuss or facilitate discussion of the issue with the parent.
57 The procedures must comply with s. 1002.22(2) and may not
58 prohibit a parent from accessing any of his or her minor child’s
Florida Senate - 2022 SB 1834
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59 education records created, maintained, or used by the school
60 district. This paragraph does not limit or alter any obligation
61 of school district personnel to report suspected abuse,
62 abandonment, or neglect, as those terms are defined in s. 39.01.
63 2. A school district may not adopt procedures or student
64 support forms that require school district personnel to withhold
65 from a parent information about his or her student’s mental,
66 emotional, or physical health or well-being, or a change in
67 related services or monitoring, or that encourage or have the
68 effect of encouraging a student to withhold from a parent such
69 information, unless a reasonably prudent person would believe
70 that such disclosure would result in abuse, abandonment, or
71 neglect, as those terms are defined in s. 39.01. School district
72 personnel may not discourage or prohibit parental notification
73 of and involvement in critical decisions affecting a student’s
74 mental, emotional, or physical health or well-being.
75 3. A school district may not encourage classroom discussion
76 about sexual orientation or gender identity in primary grade
77 levels or in a manner that is not age-appropriate or
78 developmentally appropriate for students.

79 4. A parent of a student may bring an action against a
80 school district to obtain a declaratory judgment that a school
81 district procedure or practice violates this paragraph and seek
82 injunctive relief. A court may award damages and shall award
83 reasonable attorney fees and court costs to a parent who
84 receives declaratory or injunctive relief.

85 5. Student support services training developed or provided
86 by a school district to school district personnel must adhere to
87 student services guidelines, standards, and frameworks
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88 established by the Department of Education.
89 Section 2. By June 30, 2023, the Department of Education
90 shall review and update, as necessary, school counseling
91 frameworks and standards; educator practices and professional
92 conduct principles; and any other student services personnel
93 guidelines, standards, or frameworks in accordance with the
94 requirements of this act.
95 Section 3. This act shall take effect July 1, 2022.



I believe human reproduction should be taught as a science in 5-7 grade, with parents having the right to opt out their children.

I believe non-binary relationships (not methods of sex) should be discussed in high school classes with a parental opt out.
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I went to a massage parlor. It was self service.
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I went to a massage parlor, it ended happy.

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I went to work at the massage parlor, Mr. Kraft ended Happy!!!

~That dude who used to play elmo
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Massage parlors are like ex wives, you get shafted.
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I was making love to this girl and she started crying. I said, “Are you going to hate yourself in the morning?” She said, “No, I hate myself now.”
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Sometimes I can’t finish unless they’re crying.
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I think everything undefined needs specific definition. Once that is done then everyone can consider it and form their own opinion. Much of it makes sense. To much vagueness. Think about this before you anger. If a teacher says her husband is picking her up from work she could be sued for stating that. Is it likely to happen certainly not. Could it happen I think so. Robert a little input on how I am reading the declaratory and injunctive relief section. I may be way off base due to lack of understanding.
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I was so ugly, my mother used to feed me with a slingshot!
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rfenst wrote:

75 3. A school district may not encourage classroom discussion
76 about sexual orientation or gender identity in primary grade
77 levels or in a manner that is not age-appropriate or
78 developmentally appropriate for students.
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I believe human reproduction should be taught as a science in 5-7 grade, with parents having the right to opt out their children.

I believe non-binary relationships (not methods of sex) should be discussed in high school classes with a parental opt out.


This is for primary schools grades K-6!!!!!
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Ever wonder about those people who spend $2 apiece on those little bottles of Evian water? Try spelling Evian backward.
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
Ever wonder about those people who spend $2 apiece on those little bottles of Evian water? Try spelling Evian backward.
- GC


That's why us smarter idiots buy kirkland.
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The American Constitution was not written to protect criminals; it was written to protect the government from becoming criminals.

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Jack and Jill went up the hill, each witk a buck and a quarter. Jill came down with two-fifty, OOOOOOOOOOOOH!

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Florida’s Fictional ‘Don’t Say Gay’ Bill Doesn’t Go Nearly Far Enough


Democrats and the media have seized on language in the Parental Rights in Education bill that doesn’t exist. But they have their narrative and that’s all that matters.


The problem with Florida’s much derided “Don’t Say Gay” bill is not just that the moniker is a complete lie. It’s that the bill so lambasted by Democrats and the national press doesn’t go anywhere near far enough to protect children from predatory poison in the schools.

This bill could be described far more accurately as: Florida will henceforth allow classroom teaching on sexual orientation and gender identity beginning in the fourth grade. We’re talking 9-year-olds! But restricting such talk to children ages 9 and above is still far too restrictive for leftists bent on destroying children’s lives for their own depraved agenda, and who have had a free run of public schools for years.

But that’s just how big the lie is. And most people will never know it.

Normal people don’t see any place for a public airing of this private issue between parents and their offspring anywhere in public schools. But politically, Republicans might have at least tried to keep the law’s strictures only to high school kids, since they were bound to get viciously attacked, anyway. Why not stake out the argument where winning it might have done some good? As it is, the bill just protects kids in the third grade and below. And after this drubbing, few elected officials will have the stomach for upping the age to where it should be.

How we got here screams “wake up call” on multiple fronts.

The genesis of this particular controversy was last year’s parental rights bill, which the Florida state legislature passed to provide for greater parental rights. Some school district officials simply hate that concept at its core, and they were bypassing the bill by including parents in some of their children’s education issues, but not in others—specifically, and not surprisingly, sexual orientation and gender. Parents cannot be trusted, or so the thinking goes. Only professionally trained, government-certified teachers can be trusted. For instance, one district made it optional for school officials to inform parents on teaching that included “gender identification,” “gender change,” and “assigned sex at birth.”

To ordinary people, this seems like a clear statutory violation. But as there was no investigation or charges of any sort, the legislature’s response was H.B. 1557, a fairly short bill to make it crystal clear what every parent had a right to know about their children’s education. And because the “sexual orientation” and “gender identification” categories were being singled out for exclusion by school districts, they were singled out in the legislation. Pretty reasonable.

The story so far would suggest that Florida’s elected officials, having been made aware that some school districts were actively working to flout the language and intent of the earlier law, sought to provide a remedy.

But a Florida Democrat cleverly labeled the Parental Rights in Education bill the “Don’t Say Gay” bill and the media latched on, writing so many stories with that appellation that most people now believe H.B. 1557 is essentially a censorship bill, not legislation designed to protect young children from age-inappropriate curriculum. Some clownish Democrat legislators in Tallahassee linked arms this week and danced down the hallway singing “Gay, gay, gay!” My guess is they were hoping for a TikTok moment, because that’s what passes for statesmanship in the decimated Florida Democratic Party.

The irony is that the bill not only does not talk about not talking about gay, the word doesn’t actually appear in the legislation. Not once. That’s how complete the Democrats’ disinformation campaign is. Putin would be furiously jealous. At least in the whole Russian collusion hoax aimed at President Trump, there is actually a country called Russia. We don’t even have that much reality here.

“By creating a name for the bill that is not real—the word ‘parent’ or ‘parental’ is in the bill 37 times, and nowhere does it say ‘gay’—they’ve figured out how to capture the nation’s attention with a fake narrative,” said bill sponsor Joe Harding, a Republican from Ocala. “Fake narrative” is a charitable way of putting it.

The oh-so deeply offensive part of H.B. 1557 that drew such mockery says this:

Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards.

That’s it. That’s what the hysteria is about, except I’m guessing most of the media cheerleaders and “Saturday Night Live” writers don’t know and don’t want to know. They have their narrative and that’s all they need. And those who want to lead children into deviant lifestyles at a young age know the media has their back.


The media (and increasingly public schools) will never regain credibility with vast swaths of Americans. And that will forever be the primary cause of Americans now piled into two different information universes so vastly different that we can’t even have conversations because each is drawing from an entirely different set of “realities.”

https://amgreatness.com/2022/03/14/floridas-fictional-dont-say-gay-bill-doesnt-go-nearly-far-enough/


So glad this passed along with the anti-CRT garbage...perhaps we can save the bastion of Education after all.
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Column: California should abolish parenthood, in the name of equity

JOE MATHEWS | ZÓCALO PUBLIC SQUARE | 10:17 am PST January 13, 2022

If California is ever going to achieve true equity, the state must require parents to give away their children.

Today’s Californians often hold up equity — the goal of a just society completely free from bias — as our greatest value. Gov. Gavin Newsom makes decisions through “an equity lens.” Institutions from dance ensembles to tech companies have publicly pledged themselves to equity.

But their promises are no match for the power of parents.

Fathers and mothers with greater wealth and education are more likely to transfer these advantages to their children, compounding privilege over generations. As a result, children of less advantaged parents face an uphill struggle, social mobility has stalled, and democracy has been corrupted. More Californians are abandoning the dream; a recent Public Policy Institute of California poll found declining belief in the notion that you can get ahead through hard work.

My solution — making raising your own children illegal — is simple, and while we wait for the legislation to pass, we can act now: the rich and poor should trade kids, and homeowners might swap children with their homeless neighbors.

Now, I recognize that some naysayers will dismiss such a policy as ghastly, even totalitarian. But my proposal is quite modest, a fusion of traditional philosophy and today’s most common political obsessions.

In his “Republic,” Plato adopted Socrates’ sage advice — that children “be possessed in common, so that no parent will know his own offspring or any child his parents” — in order to defeat nepotism, and create citizens loyal not to their sons but to society.

Today, a policy of universal orphanhood aligns with powerful social trends that point to less interest in family. Californians are slower to marry, and are having fewer children — our birth rate is at an all-time low.

My proposal also should be politically unifying, fitting hand-in-glove with the most cherished policies of progressives and Trumpians alike.

The left’s introduction of anti-racism and gender identity in schools faces a bitter backlash from parents. Ending parenthood would end the backlash, helping dismantle white supremacy and outdated gender norms. Democrats also would have the opportunity to build a new pillar of the safety net — a child-raising system called “Foster Care for All.”

Over on the right, Republicans are happy to jettison parents’ rights in pursuit of their greatest passions, like violating migrant rights. Once you’ve gone so far as to take immigrant children from their parents and put them in border concentration camps, it’s a short walk to separating all Americans from their progeny.

Universal orphanhood also dovetails nicely with the pro-life campaign to end abortion rights. In fact, a suggestion from Justice Amy Coney Barrett, during a recent case that could overturn Roe, inspired this column. She posited that abortion rights are no longer necessary because all 50 states now have “safe haven” laws allowing women to turn their babies over to authorities after birth. My proposal would merely make mandatory such handovers of babies to the state.

Perhaps such coercion sounds dystopian. But just imagine the solidarity that universal orphanhood would create. Wouldn’t children, raised in one system, find it easier to collaborate on global problems?

Now, I don’t expect universal support for universal orphanhood. A few contrarians, lost in the empty chasm between American extremes, might object to this rational proposal on emotional grounds. They might argue that pursuing your own conception of family is fundamental to freedom.

They also may suggest that people don’t really want to start or finish at the same point in life.

They may even say that what we really desire is what the title orphan of the musical Annie demanded: “I didn’t want to be just another orphan, Mr. Warbucks. I wanted to believe I was special.”

But don’t pay those critics any mind. Because they just can’t see how our relentless pursuit of equity might birth a brave new world.



Maybe Jeff Epstein could adopt all of the female children. RIH Eppy. If you only didn't get suicided, you'd be in your pre-pubescent glory.
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It's Florida, hate is Desanto's friend.


Hate is the friend of the Republicans. The Dems are certainly creating enough hate over the last 18 months.
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