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Teachers sue over Florida law banning use of preferred pronouns


Reuters

Dec 13 (Reuters) - Three teachers in Florida on Wednesday sued the state over its law prohibiting transgender and nonbinary teachers from using their preferred pronouns in school, saying it violates their constitutional rights.

The lawsuit filed in federal court in Florida's capital, Tallahassee, says the state law is designed "to stigmatize and demonize transgender and nonbinary people" and deprives them of the equal protection of the law guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution.

The state law, which took effect in July, says school employees cannot tell students to call the employees by their preferred titles or pronouns, if the preference does not correspond to the sex assigned at birth.

Several other states have passed laws saying teachers and classmates do not have to refer to students by their preferred pronouns.

One plaintiff, identified as AV Schwandes, says they are non-binary and were fired from a teaching job at a "virtual school" in October for continuing to use the honorific "Mx." at work. The other plaintiffs are transgender women who say they have been forced to accept being misgendered.

"Florida intentionally sends the state-sanctioned, invidious, and false message that transgender and nonbinary people and their identities are inherently dangerous, especially to children," the teachers' lawyers from the Southern Poverty Law Center, a civil rights group, wrote in the lawsuit.

The Florida Attorney General's Office did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

The case is the latest to challenge laws adopted by Florida and other Republican-led U.S. states aimed at limiting discussions of gender identity and sexual orientation in schools. Critics call them "don't say gay" laws and claim they are unlawful and harmful to LGBT people.

In April, Florida education officials voted to ban classroom instruction on those topics in all public school grades after state lawmakers in 2022 barred it through third grade.

A federal judge in August dismissed a challenge to that law, and an appeal has been put on hold after the state and the students and parents who sued said they were negotiating a settlement.

Last month, civil rights groups sued to block a similar Iowa law that covers kindergarten through sixth grade.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Marked or unmarked?

If it’s unmarked I’d call in a suspicious vehicle. If he’s city I’d call the county sheriff, if he’s county I’d call city.

The. I’d go mow the lawn in one spot so he gets some good sound


Oh it's subdued unmarked, both SUV's are now, the council allowed him a $28,000 purchase for a used 2003 SUV this past summer... He cannot keep police officers under his watch, so the vehicles sit across from the city hall on the square in the evening time, unless the two other Veteran officers are pulling a shift, in the past year and a half, our community put 6 officers through the academy only to lose them to other city's... but no one see's a pattern here?? I've already spoken with a detective friend I went to school with, he told me two years ago, document everything, because nobody likes this chief...

He's just trying to get a reaction from me... I may or may not toss a paper bag of dog **** out in the ditch.. after putting a match to it someday? d'oh! we stil have leaves that need ignited... Herfing
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United States Pocket Constitution:

http://tinyurl.com/ycxry9sv

I found the perfect gift for our local council members and zoning board... even got a deal on the purchase!!!

can't wait to see their faces when the open their presents at the January meeting... Herfing
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#54 Posted:
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Was it the city council dude or the chief of police?!!
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#55 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Was it the city council dude or the chief of police?!!


Chief of Police, on duty... we have an Alderwoman who is our next door neighbor and we get along with her just fine and the other alderman as well.. there are just two who make the policy's and run things in this little community. the other members are their as a "Vote" on the policy's they enact..
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#56 Posted:
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Sounds more disturbing he’s there ON duty…nothing else more important for him to do?
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Minnesota’s Xenophobic Restrictions on Speech
Its ban on political speech by ‘foreign influenced’ companies defies U.S. Supreme Court precedent.


WSJ

A federal judge on Monday will consider a Minnesota law that surreptitiously attempts to overturn the U.S. Supreme Court’s holding in Citizens United v. FEC (2010) that corporations have a constitutional right to speak independently about politics.

While Citizens United and other judicial decisions have loosened restrictions on corporate political speech, courts have upheld longstanding bans on political speech by foreign nationals. Therefore, Minnesota and other opponents of corporate speech now seek to redefine large swaths of American businesses as “foreign influenced” to stop their political engagement.
Seattle, St. Petersburg, Fla., and Alaska have joined Minnesota in passing laws banning political speech by so-called foreign-influenced corporations. Lawmakers in numerous other states and Congress have introduced similar bills.

The Minnesota law is typical of these measures, making Monday’s hearing an early test of their constitutionality. The law defines “foreign-influenced corporations” as including any U.S. company in which a single foreign investor has “direct or indirect beneficial ownership” of as little as 1% of total equity. This status also may be triggered if hundreds or even thousands of foreign stockholders collectively own 5% of shares. It doesn’t require these stockholders to be of the same nationality or to collude to influence so much as the corporate cafeteria menu.

The law’s breadth is matched by its vagueness. Foreign-influenced status also may be triggered if any foreign investor “participates directly or indirectly in the corporation’s decision-making process with respect to the corporation’s political activities in the United States.” If a single foreign stockholder casts a proxy vote on an activist-shareholder proposal, that could bring the state’s corporate speech ban into effect.

The charade is obvious: The left-wing Center for American Progress estimates that 98% of publicly traded companies would trigger these thresholds. Many privately held business likely would as well. Once defined as foreign-influenced, a corporation is prohibited from making contributions or independent expenditures to promote or oppose candidates for public office. This includes lobbying legislators and the governor on appointed positions. The ban further applies to corporate activities that promote or oppose ballot measures. Foreign-influenced corporations also may not contribute to organizations that support or oppose candidates or ballot measures. The Minnesota law even seems to ban companies from engaging in these activities at the federal level, despite federal law to the contrary.

Though opponents of corporate political speech act as if large businesses serve as the puppet masters of politics, most corporations don’t engage in campaign spending at all. For-profit corporate funds amount to about 2% of total political spending in the U.S. per election cycle. For businesses, the right to speech serves mostly as an emergency tool. Elected officials wielding enormous power to regulate the private sector shouldn’t be permitted to immunize themselves against critique from those they govern.

The Minnesota Chamber of Commerce, with support from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, is seeking a preliminary injunction against the state’s law at Monday’s hearing. The Minnesota Chamber merely seeks to preserve its right, and that of its members, to respond when government threatens workers’ livelihoods, investors’ interests and the vibrancy of free enterprise.

How the court rules will determine if all-American brands that manufacture in the U.S.—such as Louisville Slugger, Jeep and Harley-Davidson—can keep the First Amendment rights the Supreme Court has upheld.
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I'd removed the previous Council Meeting Video's as I am waiting to hear if the Mayor and City Attorney are going to attempt to sue me for pointing out the Mayors Violations on Ethics Laws??

I have since been told by two different citizens I have a Target on my Back after the outcome of the December 6, 2023 council meeting exposure to these violations. I clearly expressed to the Mayor to contact these agencies and clear up his financial Obligations especially the one that is 19 yrs. old. To Date he has made no attempt at doing so.

Tonight was our Zoning BOard Meeting and I produced documents to the zoning commissioner where a sitting Alderman built a retaining wall for his building and did not recieve nor request a zoning permit to build as said retaining wall is now sitting on another private citizens Parcel of Property! and he needs to address this matter with the council at the upcoming January 2024 council meeting, on camera he refuses to take it to open council meeting, but will address the matter?

This ****'s like a B rated Movie!!! d'oh!

https://youtu.be/_0NZMCvU-So
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Apologies folks, the sound did not come through...
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Wish Us Luck Folks... I finally got the attention of one of our state representatives and a meeting this afternoon with them. myself and a few other tax paying citizens and witness's to events are going with me to express their concerns on how we are being represented. I added a zip drive and hard copies of the actions I have already sent through the States AG office and have stalled in trying to get a meeting with our State's Attorney over these Factual Matters that have transpired over the Years of city politics and how they have done business to/with this community and tax dollars..

So Yes I do have a target on my back, and 4 combat tours under my belt in foreign lands deployed to ward off Oppression I refuse to retire to a community that is blatantly Oppressed and has been. "Transparent Government" is the Quest for our community Friends and Family!!
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Russ, You should sue for $148,000,000 complaining you have a target on your back, you are getting death threats, being harassed 24/7 and you're ruined for life!
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RayR wrote:
Russ, You should sue for $148,000,000 complaining you have a target on your back, you are getting death threats, being harassed 24/7 and you're ruined for life!


I'm not doing this for a money settlement.. Transparency and equal treatment to the citizens of this community... you start getting Lawyers and Media involved, the actions that have transpired get lost in a jungle of court hears he said she said BS that we are all watching with Trump and Biden BS across our nation... then the only losers here are the Tax Paying citizens of our community!! They lose and these individuals responsible will skate because then NDA's and all the other BS to keep the matters hushed will not come to lighjt!!! I have witnessed way to many Veterans and some close friends who ended up homeless because of the Burocratic Red Tape and Hoops on how the system treats them.. I wasn't homeless but I did hit rock bottom when I had to close up my business because my Right Hand Man in the shop fell ill and couldn't work and less then 6 months later he passed from Cancer, 3 years of watching my mother who would not do Chemo and wanted to keep her witts together until the end, passed on Thanksgiving Day 2016 and this community is where she was Born December 25th, 1938 on a Kitchen Table at my Great Grandmothers home across the street from the property I and my wife have spent 36 months trying to rezone to prosper off and build our Retirement Nest Egg... and a Transparent Government from here on out where this community can grow together!!! we have two main arteries of traffic that run through our city. State Rt. 104 and State Rt. 111 and there is no reason why this community shouldn't be bustling? with a Chinese Restaurant and other local Business's to bring in the Tax Monies to support it. instead we are handing out Liquor Licenses and Gaming establishments that almost out number the amount of Churches here. and trying to grab State and Federal Grants to keep things on the Keil... there missing Treasury reports FOIA has sunk them... and needs further review by our State Officials...

So I'f I die in this request, I'll be going out with my Boots ON!!! and my wife has my living will... just wish all my VA crap was completed, but yes if my Claims are in and awaiting Adjudication...
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Well Things went well with our meeting.. a little sketchy starting out with my presentation of documents as the two witness's that traveled together to the meeting was discussing things and shuffling my documents in their discussion where I had them all in order of events by dates and action... so was doing the shuffle and presentation on the go!!! in 45-50 this representative was overwhelmed and directed us to this link with the ISP reporting of Public Corruption and not the States Attorneys office.. the AG is not even up to speed with this because this dated press release come out and was shifter November 30, 2023 https://isp.illinois.gov/Media/CompletePressRelease/877

this song just stuck in my head all the way home!!!

Bob Dylan - The Times They Are A-Changin' (Official Audio)

https://youtu.be/90WD_ats6eE?si=jmi6a0sC18IWc1MY
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Well I imagine keeping track of corruption in Illinois is a large ask
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Well I imagine keeping track of corruption in Illinois is a large ask


For Sure, 3 months of working with the AG's office to hit a wall to move forward until now... pretty much like dealing with the VA on your Veteran issues.. and that also has taken 3 months with no movement on the September Adjudications... but also their is no 2024 Federal Budget passed yet, so VA is Broke right now taking care of Illegals medical that Biden tossed the costs at... Veterans once again take a back seat!!! d'oh! Brick wall Brick wall
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I felt I needed to apologize and Thank these folks for their assistance from the State AG's office, the Rep. and myself felt that they may not have been aware of these policy changes after the meeting with him the other day.

Subject: Thank You!!!

Lady’s,

On Behalf of myself and my wife, we would like to thank you in assisting us with our complaints over these recent months with actions and current events with our local community leaders.

I am not sure if your aware of this recent change in procedures of filing a Report with the Illinois State Police rather then through the States Attorneys office and I recently as of Wednesday December 20 meeting with Rep XX Xxxxxxxx was not aware these procedures have changed also below is the link provided to myself and 2 other witness’s in our meeting. During this meeting with our Rep. I spoke Highly of your assistance and actions throughout and then myself hitting a road block to get a meeting with the States Attorney following I even made a comment about myself getting frustrated and overwhelming the both of you with all my documents to current events happening. For this I apologize to the both of you! He got us on the right course of action to follow and we are doing so now.

Rep. Xxxxxxxxxxxx explained to us the ISP is new to these procedures and to keep him informed on how things go with them.
Public Information Office (illinois.gov)

Special Investigations Unit (illinois.gov)

Again Thank You for your assistance and guidance in these matters, God Bless You and Your Family and Merry Christmas and Happy New Years 2024 to you all.

Sincerely,
Russell & Donna Walls
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So after meeting with our State Representative the other day, I and another good friend of mine and fellow Veteran who's stepped up with me. were laying out our timeline PowerPoint presentation to the Illinois State Police.. Well you cannot tell me "Alexa" is not listening in on conversations in your home, this popped up in my News Feed this Morning... Think Think

This just happened Locally here in Illinois...

http://tinyurl.com/2rt27r29

The State Rep. directed us to the Illinois State Police Investigation on Corruption link is in above/previous post. got a phone call yesterday morning and one of the Aldermen had a heart attack Friday evening and is having stents put in this weekend.. I wish no Ill will on anyone and sorry to hear this, Pray but Stress is a Bitch if you cannot learn to manage it... and Karma is Real and so is Prayers!!! Applause Beer
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Special counsel Jack Smith urged a federal judge to fend off Donald Trump’s attempts to “inject politics” into the criminal case alleging he plotted to overturn the 2020 election results.


WSJ

He took particular aim at the former president’s claims that he is being subjected to a vindictive and selective prosecution and asked that Trump and his lawyers be prohibited from using the courtroom to spread “irrelevant disinformation.” Trump called Smith “crooked Joe Biden’s errand boy” and said the special counsel was “ignoring the law and clear instructions from [the judge], who unequivocally stated that this ‘case’ is stayed and there should be no litigation.” The former president’s legal team is expected to respond with its own filing.





Protected speech?
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Thousands of people have possibly fallen victim to the proliferating trend of Russians informing on colleagues, acquaintances or strangers, according to researchers and social-behavior experts.


WSJ

The practice that was commonplace during Soviet times, particularly under dictator Joseph Stalin, has gained traction since President Vladimir Putin urged people to report those not fully behind the Ukraine invasion. For some people, denunciation is patriotism, while others use it to settle grudges by denouncing their enemies, whether or not they actually are antiwar. The Kremlin didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment. In April, a presidential spokesman called the practice “disgusting.” Examples of transgressions that led to fines or jail time include using a screensaver with a Ukrainian military emblem and complimenting Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s appearance.

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Disney says in lawsuit that DeSantis-appointed government is failing to release public records



AP

ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — Disney has filed a lawsuit claiming that the oversight government for Walt Disney World, which was taken over by appointees of Gov. Ron DeSantis earlier this year, has failed to release documents and properly preserve records in violation of Florida public records law.

Disney said in the lawsuit filed Friday that the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District, often referred to as CFTOD, has been so slow in fulfilling its public records duties that it has failed to respond completely to a request the company made seven months ago when it paid more than $2,400 to get emails and text messages belonging to the five district board members appointed by DeSantis.

Disney, DeSantis and the DeSantis appointees already are battling for control of the government in two pending lawsuits in federal and state court.

The public records lawsuit is asking a judge to review any documents that the district claims are exempt from being released, declare that the district is violating state public records law and order the district to release the documents that Disney has requested.

“CFTOD has prevented Disney from discovering the actions of its government through public records requests, in violation of Florida law,” said the lawsuit filed in state court in Orlando. “The Court should grant Disney relief.”


An email was sent to the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District seeking comment.

The new lawsuit claims that the district is failing to follow public records laws in other ways, such as allowing the DeSantis-appointed board members to use personal email addresses and texts for district business without a process for making sure they are preserved and failing to make sure board members don’t auto-delete messages dealing with district business.

The feud between DeSantis and Disney started last year after the company publicly opposed the state’s so-called don’t say gay law, which bans classroom lessons on sexual orientation and gender identity in early grades. The law was championed by DeSantis, who is running for the 2024 GOP presidential nomination. In retaliation, DeSantis and Republican legislators took over the district Disney had controlled for more than five decades and installed five board members loyal to the governor.

Around 50 out of about 370 employees have left the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District since it was taken over in February, raising concerns that decades of institutional knowledge are departing with them, along with a reputation for a well-run government.



Public Records request at issue
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The Times Sues OpenAI and Microsoft Over A.I. Use of Copyrighted Work

Millions of articles from The New York Times were used to train chatbots that now compete with it, the lawsuit said.


NYT
The New York Times sued OpenAI and Microsoft for copyright infringement on Wednesday, opening a new front in the increasingly intense legal battle over the unauthorized use of published work to train artificial intelligence technologies.

The Times is the first major American media organization to sue the companies, the creators of ChatGPT and other popular A.I. platforms, over copyright issues associated with its written works. The lawsuit, filed in Federal District Court in Manhattan, contends that millions of articles published by The Times were used to train automated chatbots that now compete with the news outlet as a source of reliable information.

The suit does not include an exact monetary demand. But it says the defendants should be held responsible for “billions of dollars in statutory and actual damages” related to the “unlawful copying and use of The Times’s uniquely valuable works.” It also calls for the companies to destroy any chatbot models and training data that use copyrighted material from The Times.

In its complaint, The Times said it approached Microsoft and OpenAI in April to raise concerns about the use of its intellectual property and explore “an amicable resolution,” possibly involving a commercial agreement and “technological guardrails” around generative A.I. products. But it said the talks had not produced a resolution.

An OpenAI spokeswoman, Lindsey Held, said in a statement that the company had been “moving forward constructively” in conversations with The Times and that it was “surprised and disappointed” by the lawsuit.

“We respect the rights of content creators and owners and are committed to working with them to ensure they benefit from A.I. technology and new revenue models,” Ms. Held said. “We’re hopeful that we will find a mutually beneficial way to work together, as we are doing with many other publishers.”

Microsoft declined to comment on the case.

The lawsuit could test the emerging legal contours of generative A.I. technologies — so called for the text, images and other content they can create after learning from large data sets — and could carry major implications for the news industry. The Times is among a small number of outlets that have built successful business models from online journalism, but dozens of newspapers and magazines have been hobbled by readers’ migration to the internet.

Inside the Media Industry
The Washington Post: The newspaper reached a deal for a new contract with the union representing the majority of its newsroom employees, bringing an end to 18 months of negotiations.

Substack: Under pressure from critics who say the company is profiting from newsletters that promote hate speech and racism, the company’s founders said that they would not ban Nazi symbols and extremist rhetoric from their platform.
Paramount Pictures: Five years ago, Shari Redstone fought to keep control of her family’s media empire. Now, she’s considering an exit as financial pressures mount.

Old Shows: Many entertainment studios ended lucrative licensing deals with Netflix as they sought to build their own streaming companies. But they missed the money too much and are now backtracking.
At the same time, OpenAI and other A.I. tech firms — which use a wide variety of online texts, from newspaper articles to poems to screenplays, to train chatbots — are attracting billions of dollars in funding.

OpenAI is now valued by investors at more than $80 billion. Microsoft has committed $13 billion to OpenAI and has incorporated the company’s technology into its Bing search engine.

“Defendants seek to free-ride on The Times’s massive investment in its journalism,” the complaint says, accusing OpenAI and Microsoft of “using The Times’s content without payment to create products that substitute for The Times and steal audiences away from it.”

The defendants have not had an opportunity to respond in court.

Concerns about the uncompensated use of intellectual property by A.I. systems have coursed through creative industries, given the technology’s ability to mimic natural language and generate sophisticated written responses to virtually any prompt.

The actress Sarah Silverman joined a pair of lawsuits in July that accused Meta and OpenAI of having “ingested” her memoir as a training text for A.I. programs. Novelists expressed alarm when it was revealed that A.I. systems had absorbed tens of thousands of books, leading to a lawsuit by authors including Jonathan Franzen and John Grisham. Getty Images, the photography syndicate, sued one A.I. company that generates images based on written prompts, saying the platform relies on unauthorized use of Getty’s copyrighted visual materials.

The boundaries of copyright law often get new scrutiny at moments of technological change — like the advent of broadcast radio or digital file-sharing programs like Napster — and the use of artificial intelligence is emerging as the latest frontier.

“A Supreme Court decision is essentially inevitable,” Richard Tofel, a former president of the nonprofit newsroom ProPublica and a consultant to the news business, said of the latest flurry of lawsuits. “Some of the publishers will settle for some period of time — including still possibly The Times — but enough publishers won’t that this novel and crucial issue of copyright law will need to be resolved.”

Microsoft has previously acknowledged potential copyright concerns over its A.I. products. In September, the company announced that if customers using its A.I. tools were hit with copyright complaints, it would indemnify them and cover the associated legal costs.

Other voices in the technology industry have been more steadfast in their approach to copyright. In October, Andreessen Horowitz, a venture capital firm and early backer of OpenAI, wrote in comments to the U.S. Copyright Office that exposing A.I. companies to copyright liability would “either kill or significantly hamper their development.”

“The result will be far less competition, far less innovation and very likely the loss of the United States’ position as the leader in global A.I. development,” the investment firm said in its statement.

Besides seeking to protect intellectual property, the lawsuit by The Times casts ChatGPT and other A.I. systems as potential competitors in the news business. When chatbots are asked about current events or other newsworthy topics, they can generate answers that rely on journalism by The Times. The newspaper expresses concern that readers will be satisfied with a response from a chatbot and decline to visit The Times’s website, thus reducing web traffic that can be translated into advertising and subscription revenue.

The complaint cites several examples when a chatbot provided users with near-verbatim excerpts from Times articles that would otherwise require a paid subscription to view. It asserts that OpenAI and Microsoft placed particular emphasis on the use of Times journalism in training their A.I. programs because of the perceived reliability and accuracy of the material.

Media organizations have spent the past year examining the legal, financial and journalistic implications of the boom in generative A.I. Some news outlets have already reached agreements for the use of their journalism: The Associated Press struck a licensing deal in July with OpenAI, and Axel Springer, the German publisher that owns Politico and Business Insider, did likewise this month. Terms for those agreements were not disclosed.

The Times is exploring how to use the nascent technology itself. The newspaper recently hired an editorial director of artificial intelligence initiatives to establish protocols for the newsroom’s use of A.I. and examine ways to integrate the technology into the company’s journalism.

In one example of how A.I. systems use The Times’s material, the suit showed that Browse With Bing, a Microsoft search feature powered by ChatGPT, reproduced almost verbatim results from Wirecutter, The Times’s product review site. The text results from Bing, however, did not link to the Wirecutter article, and they stripped away the referral links in the text that Wirecutter uses to generate commissions from sales based on its recommendations.

“Decreased traffic to Wirecutter articles and, in turn, decreased traffic to affiliate links subsequently lead to a loss of revenue for Wirecutter,” the complaint states.

The lawsuit also highlights the potential damage to The Times’s brand through so-called A.I. “hallucinations,” a phenomenon in which chatbots insert false information that is then wrongly attributed to a source. The complaint cites several cases in which Microsoft’s Bing Chat provided incorrect information that was said to have come from The Times, including results for “the 15 most heart-healthy foods,” 12 of which were not mentioned in an article by the paper.

“If The Times and other news organizations cannot produce and protect their independent journalism, there will be a vacuum that no computer or artificial intelligence can fill,” the complaint reads. It adds, “Less journalism will be produced, and the cost to society will be enormous.”

The Times has retained the law firms Susman Godfrey and Rothwell, Figg, Ernst & Manbeck as outside counsel for the litigation. Susman represented Dominion Voting Systems in its defamation case against Fox News, which resulted in a $787.5 million settlement in April. Susman also filed a proposed class action suit last month against Microsoft and OpenAI on behalf of nonfiction authors whose books and other copyrighted material were used to train the companies’ chatbots.
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I hear their lawyers are going to plagiarize the Harvard ladies defense argument.
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This will be an interesting ride for sure. I can see many different directions this could take.

I find it hard to believe the MS juggernaut will crash and burn completely. I’m sure they will make some kind of compelling argument for the greater good. But, on the other hand, at a minimum I suspect that any revenue derived would have to be shared with copyright holders.
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Sean Combs didn’t get proper permission from Sting.

Sting made a LOT of cash off Puffy,
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