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Mraia Offline
#1 Posted: Wed, Apr 5 2023, 9:52 AM EST
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I have an unopened Cedar Fresh Hang Up that i was thinking of putting in a new tupperdor. Its one of those cedar planks you hang in your closet. I says that its 100% Eastern Red Cedarwood with no added chemicals.
Im thinking this is ok but want to run it by the experts here.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#2 Posted: Wed, Apr 5 2023, 10:05 AM EST
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I dunno...can you?
frankj1 Offline
#3 Posted: Wed, Apr 5 2023, 10:09 AM EST
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probably works in closets.

for cigars, Spanish Cedar is the wood
KingoftheCove Offline
#4 Posted: Wed, Apr 5 2023, 10:10 AM EST
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No
KingoftheCove Offline
#5 Posted: Wed, Apr 5 2023, 10:13 AM EST
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Also, just an fyi, “Spanish Cedar” isn’t really cedar at all, some kind of mahogany IIRC…
RiverRatRuss Offline
#6 Posted: Wed, Apr 5 2023, 10:31 AM EST
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Mraia wrote:
I have an unopened Cedar Fresh Hang Up that i was thinking of putting in a new tupperdor. Its one of those cedar planks you hang in your closet. I says that its 100% Eastern Red Cedarwood with no added chemicals.
Im thinking this is ok but want to run it by the experts here.


NO... Your cigars will taste like Dog Rockets for real...
drglnc Offline
#7 Posted: Wed, Apr 5 2023, 10:41 AM EST
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Negative Ghost Rider... that would destroy your cigars. Spanish Cedar is what you want and is a different thing then aromatic cedar. if you use the stuff for your closet then you might as well add moth balls as well...
Sunoverbeach Offline
#8 Posted: Wed, Apr 5 2023, 10:43 AM EST
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This is not the cedar you are looking for
RiverRatRuss Offline
#9 Posted: Wed, Apr 5 2023, 10:44 AM EST
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KingoftheCove wrote:
Also, just an fyi, “Spanish Cedar” isn’t really cedar at all, some kind of mahogany IIRC…


Close, Spanish Ceder is Ceder, but it is also in the Mahogany family group. No Cedars grown in the western hemisphere are good for storing cigar purposes, because of the aromas they produce. woods breath just like cigars and other tobacco products the more porous the woods the more breathing IE: moisture absorbing quality's they will have, but also the more porous type woods in North America also contain an natural odor and are more Susceptible to mold or fungus... one woods I always wanted to experiment with is Cypress it's porous quality's and resistance to fungus and mold are IMO close to use as Spanish Cedar, but more structural capability's like Mahogany...

I'll get back into building Huidors in the near future and will test out my theory? for now.. I've lost all my links to hook you up with a line on Spanish Ceder 1/4" panels for liners..
Mraia Offline
#10 Posted: Wed, Apr 5 2023, 11:02 AM EST
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Thanks all. Consensus is NO and Im gonna hang this in me closet and buy some spanish cedar for the humi
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#11 Posted: Wed, Apr 5 2023, 11:09 AM EST
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Mraia wrote:
Thanks all. Consensus is NO and Im gonna hang this in me closet and buy some spanish cedar for the humi



im always weary of buying it from amazon but it is available. I'm lucky enough to have a hardwood dealer and wood working shot near my work. Rockler is a reputable company online to order from.

https://www.rockler.com/spanish-cedar-by-the-piece
KingoftheCove Offline
#12 Posted: Wed, Apr 5 2023, 11:16 AM EST
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RiverRatRuss wrote:
Close, Spanish Ceder is Ceder, but it is also in the Mahogany family group. No Cedars grown in the western hemisphere are good for storing cigar purposes, because of the aromas they produce. woods breath just like cigars and other tobacco products the more porous the woods the more breathing IE: moisture absorbing quality's they will have, but also the more porous type woods in North America also contain an natural odor and are more Susceptible to mold or fungus... one woods I always wanted to experiment with is Cypress it's porous quality's and resistance to fungus and mold are IMO close to use as Spanish Cedar, but more structural capability's like Mahogany...

I'll get back into building Huidors in the near future and will test out my theory? for now.. I've lost all my links to hook you up with a line on Spanish Ceder 1/4" panels for liners..

Eh, pretty sure “Spanish Cedar” is not in the cedar tree family……..at all.
But Ive been wrong once before………………………when I thought I was wrong….
KingoftheCove Offline
#13 Posted: Wed, Apr 5 2023, 11:19 AM EST
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“Spanish cedar” is neither Spanish nor a true cedar. The latin name “Cedrela Odorata” translates literally “smells like cedar”. Spanish cedar, or cedro, grows in South America. Unlike cedar, it is not a coniferous tree, but a close relative to Honduran mahogany.”


Despite its name, Spanish Cedar is not only a hardwood (and therefore not a Cedar at all), but it is also not Spanish. Spanish Cedar actually comes from the Meliaceae family, along with Mahogany; Spanish Cedar is similar to Genuine Mahogany in its beautiful coloration, attractive grain pattern, and great workability.
RiverRatRuss Offline
#14 Posted: Wed, Apr 5 2023, 11:29 AM EST
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KingoftheCove wrote:
“Spanish cedar” is neither Spanish nor a true cedar. The latin name “Cedrela Odorata” translates literally “smells like cedar”. Spanish cedar, or cedro, grows in South America. Unlike cedar, it is not a coniferous tree, but a close relative to Honduran mahogany.”


Despite its name, Spanish Cedar is not only a hardwood (and therefore not a Cedar at all), but it is also not Spanish. Spanish Cedar actually comes from the Meliaceae family, along with Mahogany; Spanish Cedar is similar to Genuine Mahogany in its beautiful coloration, attractive grain pattern, and great workability.




Wow Nice Google... Fact Checker on Isle 9... LOL
Have you ever worked with Spanish Cedar? I even said it's in the Mahogany family, similar to all Nut Tree's it is easier to work then Mahogany building a Humidor out of Mahogany alone would suffice to store cigars without adding a SP Cedar lining.. as stated above I will experiment with Cypress in the near future because its affordable and more redilly available compaired to Mahogany and or Spanish Cedar, but porous enough IMO to store cigars...
RiverRatRuss Offline
#15 Posted: Wed, Apr 5 2023, 11:38 AM EST
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Mraia wrote:
I have an unopened Cedar Fresh Hang Up that i was thinking of putting in a new tupperdor. Its one of those cedar planks you hang in your closet. I says that its 100% Eastern Red Cedarwood with no added chemicals.
Im thinking this is ok but want to run it by the experts here.


https://www.cigarbid.com...edar-instead-of-Spanish


https://www.cigarbid.com...umidor-ConstructionCosts
Jakethesnake86 Offline
#16 Posted: Wed, Apr 5 2023, 11:56 AM EST
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Just add a couple boxes if you want cedar in there. I once smashed up a few old boxes to add cedar to a big tub.
KingoftheCove Offline
#17 Posted: Wed, Apr 5 2023, 11:58 AM EST
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Russ, I am interested to see how the cypress works out for you.
I found it difficult to work, but Im not a pro by any means, and my tools are/were minimal.

Fact check on Isle 9? Ha!
I was just checking MY MEMORY, because I remember reading about this topic years ago.
And, BTW, i simply stated what I did, because you said

“Close, Spanish ceder is ceder”…

It isn’t…
RiverRatRuss Offline
#18 Posted: Wed, Apr 5 2023, 12:05 PM EST
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KingoftheCove wrote:
Russ, I am interested to see how the cypress works out for you.
I found it difficult to work, but Im not a pro by any means, and my tools are/were minimal.

Fact check on Isle 9? Ha!
I was just checking MY MEMORY, because I remember reading about this topic years ago.
And, BTW, i simply stated what I did, because you said

“Close, Spanish ceder is ceder”…

It isn’t…


Thats cool King, I was just bustin yer balls a bit... I'm just an avid woodworker myself and to get my shop back up and running since closeing up in 2016 is going to be allot of reworking my tools at most or allot of replacing as moisture has settled in on allot of them over time... another wood I am looking at a possibility is Catalpa ... Very Pretty wood, but not sure if it will produce an odor?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalpa
Sunoverbeach Offline
#19 Posted: Wed, Apr 5 2023, 12:41 PM EST
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KingoftheCove wrote:
“Spanish cedar” is neither Spanish nor a true cedar


So, it's the Rare Corojo of the wood world?
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#20 Posted: Wed, Apr 5 2023, 1:12 PM EST
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Jakethesnake86 wrote:
Just add a couple boxes if you want cedar in there. I once smashed up a few old boxes to add cedar to a big tub.


Some brick and mortar places will give away empty boxes for free or sell them for a few bucks each. Cbid used to sell them on auction (not sure if they still do) but it was a bundle of boxes of no specific pedigree, a grab bag type of thing. Some in the bundle were cedar boxes some were the cardboard ones.
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#21 Posted: Wed, Apr 5 2023, 5:44 PM EST
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Wood coming out of the closet…

Avid woodworking…..


Oh my.

I think I need a beer
frankj1 Offline
#22 Posted: Wed, Apr 5 2023, 6:18 PM EST
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
So, it's the Rare Corojo of the wood world?

how much do I love this?
Sunoverbeach Offline
#23 Posted: Wed, Apr 5 2023, 6:47 PM EST
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A lot I hope. You were who came to mind after all, when it popped in my head
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#24 Posted: Wed, Apr 5 2023, 8:24 PM EST
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If you search Spanish cedar lumber you will find a bunch of places to buy from but beware not all that show in the search are actually Spanish cedar. Make sure you check the details before purchasing as some are other types of cedar. It is pricey but it seems most humidors are just lined with spanish cedar.
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#25 Posted: Wed, Apr 5 2023, 8:45 PM EST
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
So, it's the Rare Corojo of the wood world?

Applause
frankj1 Offline
#26 Posted: Wed, Apr 5 2023, 10:29 PM EST
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
A lot I hope. You were who came to mind after all, when it popped in my head

I did have the opportunity to use that schtick a few times over the years...Punch Rare Corojo...

you made me smile, bruddah.
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#27 Posted: Sun, Apr 16 2023, 5:23 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
probably works in closets.

for cigars, Spanish Cedar is the wood


Frankie knows his wood !
MaduroJorge Offline
#28 Posted: Mon, Apr 17 2023, 4:15 PM EST
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get Natural Cedar Oil extract available at Amazon.
Apply with Qtip to the rectangular wood dividersram27bat ram27bat from the cigar box.
Go light, you can add more later to taste, let them air out and drop in the humidor.
Stogie1020 Offline
#29 Posted: Mon, Apr 17 2023, 4:35 PM EST
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MaduroJorge wrote:
get Natural Cedar Oil extract available at Amazon.
Apply with Qtip to the rectangular wood dividersram27bat ram27bat from the cigar box.
Go light, you can add more later to taste, let them air out and drop in the humidor.



Why are you putting anything aromatic (other than cigars) into your humidor? The "Cedar" helps maintain moisture, not deliver "cedar scent"...
Mraia Offline
#30 Posted: Mon, Apr 17 2023, 4:44 PM EST
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Yeah I gotta agree with Stogie on this
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#31 Posted: Mon, Apr 17 2023, 5:17 PM EST
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I was just looking into this today. Aromatic cedar is not what you want but from my research it sounds like Spanish cedar is used because it absorbs moisture without a mold issue and has anti insect qualities. I imagine mahogany or any non-aromatic cedar would work fine.
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#32 Posted: Mon, Apr 17 2023, 5:21 PM EST
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BTW I watched Cigar Daily and Steve Saka said the 70 degrees was based on the old days when beetles were more of a problem and he thought 65% was a better RH.
MaduroJorge Offline
#33 Posted: Mon, Apr 17 2023, 6:27 PM EST
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Stogie1020 wrote:
Why are you putting anything aromatic (other than cigars) into your humidor? The "Cedar" helps maintain moisture, not deliver "cedar scent"...



Stogie. Cedars scent improves cigars.
Wonder why most if not all Premium cigars come in cedar boxes?
I keep cheaper cigars in empties and they improve,

















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Stogie1020 Offline
#34 Posted: Mon, Apr 17 2023, 11:29 PM EST
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oh boy...
Jakethesnake86 Offline
#35 Posted: Tue, Apr 18 2023, 12:27 AM EST
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Yeah stogie you damn commie
Mraia Offline
#36 Posted: Tue, Apr 18 2023, 7:14 AM EST
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😳😳😳
CamoRoon Offline
#37 Posted: Tue, Apr 18 2023, 10:20 AM EST
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MaduroJorge wrote:
Stogie. Cedars scent improves cigars.
Wonder why most if not all Premium cigars come in cedar boxes?
I keep cheaper cigars in empties and they improve,

I am unsure if Spanish cedar improves cigars or if that is just a popular assumption. Plenty of cigars have been sold in fiberboard or compressed paper boxes over the years and still are. People smoking $20 cigars generally have a nice humidor in which to store cigars. My opinion is that if you want to sell a $6 cigar for $10 or $12 a nice box and a beautiful band make the product look more valuable. If you want to sell them for $25, a real nice box, a ribbon and individual cedar veneer wrapping on each stick may be required. There is quality and perceived quality. We all get to judge what we bought. That said, I always save the sheets of cedar veneer that comes in boxes and place them in my plastic overflow "humidor" storage apparatus. Why take chances?















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Sunoverbeach Offline
#38 Posted: Tue, Apr 18 2023, 10:51 AM EST
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Can't verify the type of cedar used for the sleeves, but if aro.atic like a red cedar, I believe a little goes a long way. If the whole humidor is made of red cedar, it's going to overwhelm the stored smokes IMO.

As to the veneer in the boxes, they're usually Spanish cedar
delta1 Offline
#39 Posted: Tue, Apr 18 2023, 12:19 PM EST
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youse guys are getting too hung up on cedar...
RayR Offline
#40 Posted: Tue, Apr 18 2023, 1:02 PM EST
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Not all cedar is created equal.
There is no cedar equity.

Spanish Cedar is the only cedar for cigars.
frankj1 Offline
#41 Posted: Tue, Apr 18 2023, 10:59 PM EST
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did only jespear read my post #3?
Imagine my surprise to see that this thread is still a thing.
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#42 Posted: Tue, Apr 18 2023, 11:15 PM EST
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Cedar hang ups.
Cedar oil.
Cedar boxes.
Cedar panels.
Cedar shavings that line your hamster cage.
You really can’t get enough cedar flavor in your cigars.

Do what makes you happy.
Even if it is stupid…
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#43 Posted: Wed, Apr 19 2023, 5:16 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
did only jespear read my post #3?
Imagine my surprise to see that this thread is still a thing.

We are nothing if not repetitive
frankj1 Offline
#44 Posted: Wed, Apr 19 2023, 9:09 AM EST
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
We are nothing if not repetitive

you can say that again.
Sunoverbeach Offline
#45 Posted: Wed, Apr 19 2023, 9:37 AM EST
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We are naught if not reiterative
RiverRatRuss Offline
#46 Posted: Wed, Apr 19 2023, 9:37 AM EST
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You's guys are beating this horse horse
to death!!! Herfing
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#47 Posted: Wed, Apr 19 2023, 9:41 AM EST
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Only once we start a few dozen synonymous threads, cut and paste lengthy articles from various sources, and resort to calling people with differing opinions doo doo heads, will we have truly beaten this to death
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#48 Posted: Wed, Apr 19 2023, 10:37 AM EST
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No matter who we talk about, I bet Drafter has cedar boobs once.
BuckyB93 Offline
#49 Posted: Wed, Apr 19 2023, 10:37 AM EST
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Four tee NINE!
LeeBot Offline
#50 Posted: Wed, Apr 19 2023, 6:49 PM EST
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Can I use something like Eastern Red Cedarwood, or does it HAVE to be Spanish Cedar?
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