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A brief history of slavery
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Here’s the first thing you need to know.

Slavery was not “invented” by white people.

It did not start in 1619 when the first slaves came to Jamestown.

It existed before then.

It did not start in 1492 when Columbus discovered the New World.

In fact, when the intrepid explorer landed in the Bahamas, the native Taino tribe hoped he could help them defeat their aggressive neighbors, the Caribs. The Caribs enslaved the Taino and, on occasion, served them for dinner.

Slavery existed in Africa, Asia and the Middle East.

The word “slave” actually comes from the Slavs of Eastern Europe. Millions of them — all white by the way — were captured and enslaved by Muslims in the ninth century and later by the Ottoman Turks.

Slavery existed when the Roman Empire controlled the Mediterranean and most of Europe from the 1st through the 5th centuries.

Slavery existed when Alexander the Great conquered Persia in the 4th century BC. It was so common that Aristotle simply considered it “natural.” The slave/master model was just how the world operated in the great philosopher’s day.

Slavery existed during the time of the ancient Egyptians five thousand years ago.

As far back we can go in human history, we find slavery.

As renowned historian John Steele Gordon notes, from time immemorial, “slaves were a major item of commerce...As much as a third of the population of the ancient world was enslaved.”

Here’s the second thing you need to know.

White people were the first to formally put an end to slavery.

In 1833, Britain was the first country in the history of the world to pass a Slavery Abolition Act. They were quickly followed by France, who in 1848 abolished slavery in her many colonies. Then, of course, came the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. After centuries of human slavery, white men led the world in putting an end to the abhorrent practice.

That includes the 300,000 Union soldiers, overwhelmingly white, who died during the Civil War.

Am I saying that this makes white people better than anyone else?

Of course not.

My purpose here is to simply tell the truth, and the truth is that human history is complicated; no one, regardless of skin color, stands guiltless.

Yet today we are never told to consider the murderous Persian Empire or the cannibalism of indigenous tribes of North and South America, or the heinous actions under the imperialistic Muslim, Chinese, Mongol, or Japanese Empires, to name just a few.

Instead, we’re told that slavery is a white phenomenon.

Like all persistent lies, this lie spawns a bunch of other lies.

On social media I come across extraordinary depictions about how Africans lived liked pharaohs before Europeans came and laid waste to their paradise.

I wish any of this were true. But it’s not. It’s a fantasy.

The truth is that Africans were sold into slavery by other black Africans. And in many cases, sold for items as trivial as gin and mirrors.

Whites didn’t go into the interior and round up the natives. They waited on the coast for their black partners to bring them black bodies.

The stark reality is that our lives had very little value to our ancestors.

Here’s the third thing you need to know.

If you think slavery is a relic of the past, you’re wrong.

There are some 700,000 slaves in Africa today. Right now. That’s the lowest estimate I could find. Other sources say there are many more.

For context, that’s almost twice as many slaves as were ever brought to the United States. Child soldiers, human trafficking, forced labor—these are the conditions that currently exist within the same sub-Saharan region where the transatlantic slave trade originated.

African bodies are being sold today like they were sold then—and no, they are not being purchased by any country of white men. In fact, slavery, by any traditional definition, is exclusively practiced today within nonwhite countries.

But we hear almost nothing about this.

Just like we hear nothing about how slavery was universal until good people in Europe and America ended it two centuries ago.

Why?

Because our so-called “leaders” — black and white — wouldn’t profit from it. Black victimhood is nothing if not profitable. It elects politicians and funds racial grievance groups.

And if black Americans began to view themselves as partners in the American dream…

If we embraced the patriotic spirit that holds all men are created equal, the patriotic spirit that is our real heritage…

Then the race hustlers would soon be out of business.

And who wants that?

Written by Candace Owens, author of Blackout.
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Now you know facts and actual history are not going to be well received in the Cbid Politics forum, ya gotta get with the narrative.

Now comrade, please admit your guilt to receive your punishment.
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That is a long string of historical facts that on their face seem correct. In fact, I would agree that fact stacking aside, there is nothing to disagree with.

But the conclusion that “black victimhood is for profit” is not demonstrated in those facts.

It does however sell the idea that whites are the real victim in the US, and that we are not a deeply racist nation.
Which is something only a white boy would try it sell you…..
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Brewha wrote:
That is a long string of historical facts that on their face seem correct. In fact, I would agree that fact stacking aside, there is nothing to disagree with.

But the conclusion that “black victimhood is for profit” is not demonstrated in those facts.

It does however sell the idea that whites are the real victim in the US, and that we are not a deeply racist nation.
Which is something only a white boy would try it sell you…..


Too bad Candace Owens is a black woman. Thomas Sowell, a man much smarter than most, is also on board... he's black, too. There are many black folks waking up to the fact the democrats have sold them a line of bullsh*t for years and the inner cities are proof it hasn't worked. It has only proved to make things worse.

Why not try something different?

Al Sharpton. Jesse Jackson... both profited off of the victimhood. Politicians, as well. BLM is just a recent "for profit" scam. The founders bought mansions and gave money to whom? Nobody. Not Floyd's family. Not Michael Brown's family.

Where'd that money go? Aside from the founders' family... nobody knows.
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Waking up and spitting facts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OHjVZBV6h4
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So, maybe Rosa Parks was on the take?
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"[People] doth protest too much, methinks."
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Brewha wrote:
So, maybe Rosa Parks was on the take?


That was back in 1955, and her and MLK were doing what was necessary. The republicans fought for the civil rights amendment in 1964, which the democrats tried to filibuster and mostly voted against. After that... and the killing of MLK, things went downhill fast thanks to LBJ.
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rfenst wrote:
"[People] doth protest too much, methinks."


Who's protesting too much? I merely quoted a BLACK woman's words. She wrote a book called Blackout.
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I will accept reparations from all you guilty white people.
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Candace makes the common insinuation "That 300,000 Union soldiers, overwhelmingly white, who died during the Civil War" were fighting to abolish slavery.
Lincoln never told them that, he told them they were invading the sovereign Confederate States of America to "save the Union". That's like Putin telling his conscripts that they were invading Ukraine to save the Russian Republic.
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In 1858, Lincoln challenged U.S. Senator and leading Democrat Stephen A. Douglas for his seat. The two candidates engaged in a series of seven debates across Illinois. In the sixth debate, held in Quincy on October 13, 1858, Lincoln responded to Douglas’s assertion that Lincoln saw no “distinction between races.” Printed in the Chicago Daily Press and Tribune on October 15, 1858, Lincoln replied:

I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races—that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermingling with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which will ever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together, there must be the position of superior. I am as much as any other man in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.
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Ya, dat Lincoln was a white supremacist man.

"I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so." - Lincoln's First Inaugural Address March 4, 1861

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Lincoln was another Biden . Just another dumbass that says what people tell him. Go further back in his political career and read some of his quotes. When he was trying to please the right people to get in office. Not posting it do your own research KBW if it matters to you. I could care less we need to focus more on the future of this great country. The Mexicans are down here feeding our asses right now. Are they slaves ?
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I must have missed where Candace mentioned Lincoln. I re-read it and still can't find it.

Whether or not the Union soldiers believed they were fighting to free all blacks, the north's blacks were free men. And many of them fought with the union. So you can't tell me they had no clue.
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corey sellers wrote:
Lincoln was another Biden . Just another dumbass that says what people tell him. Go further back in his political career and read some of his quotes. When he was trying to please the right people to get in office. Not posting it do your own research KBW if it matters to you. I could care less we need to focus more on the future of this great country. The Mexicans are down here feeding our asses right now. Are they slaves ?



Lincoln was…..just another dumb ass - got it.
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Brewha wrote:
Lincoln was…..just another dumb ass - got it.


No, you missed the point Brew...he lied a lot like Biden.
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Aren’t they all tell me one good one. I will be waiting…
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I see you don’t want to talk about the Mexicans either . Seen them hand planting plants yesterday . Does anybody else want to do this work to feed us? Your kids or you don’t think so . I was raised right beside a huuuuge vegetable farm. I have watched these folks all my life down here. Without them we would starve. They do all the field work now days. Tell me I am wrong I will be waiting.
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Sorry Shawn should have just moved on.
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corey sellers wrote:
I see you don’t want to talk about the Mexicans either . Seen them hand planting plants yesterday . Does anybody else want to do this work to feed us? Your kids or you don’t think so . I was raised right beside a huuuuge vegetable farm. I have watched these folks all my life down here. Without them we would starve. They do all the field work now days. Tell me I am wrong I will be waiting.


Are those the migrant workers that come and do the work legally and then go back home where they came from or are they the so-called asylum seekers (formerly called illegal aliens)?
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Horrible. Uneducated.
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Horrible. Uneducated.
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Hell probably most are here illegally.
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Sundow28 wrote:
Horrible. Uneducated.


What is horrible? Who is uneducated?

You get triggered by facts?
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MACS wrote:
What is horrible? Who is uneducated?

You get triggered by facts?


Give the guy a break, he's been here 5 years and the only posts he's made are his double post yesterday.
He just needs some time to get his thoughts together before he can edumacate us.
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Y’all done went and ran him off.
RayR Offline
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corey sellers wrote:
Y’all done went and ran him off.


If he did run off, it wouldn't be the first one to hightail it out of here for a safe space from the stress.
If he's still lurking, he needs to show himself and explain what "Horrible. Uneducated" means.
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corey sellers wrote:
I see you don’t want to talk about the Mexicans either . Seen them hand planting plants yesterday . Does anybody else want to do this work to feed us? Your kids or you don’t think so . I was raised right beside a huuuuge vegetable farm. I have watched these folks all my life down here. Without them we would starve. They do all the field work now days. Tell me I am wrong I will be waiting.

You are 100% correct. They do the job so cheap that American workers won't do that type of labor for the amount they'd be paid. Want Amerocans doing the job? - get ready for your food prices to skyrocket!
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MACS wrote:
I must have missed where Candace mentioned Lincoln. I re-read it and still can't find it.

Whether or not the Union soldiers believed they were fighting to free all blacks, the north's blacks were free men. And many of them fought with the union. So you can't tell me they had no clue.


That's not exactly true MACS, slavery was secure in the Union where it still existed, the border states specifically. That Lincoln guy knew that he couldn't dicktate the end of slavery in those states because it was not only unconstitutional, but the border states wouldn't have taken it kindly to being dicktated too and would have likely seceded and joined the Confederacy.

Besides that, it's a fairy tale that blacks were free men and equal with whites in the North even in the states where slavery was abolished by law. Negrophobia was popular in the Union, Jim Crow Laws originated in the North to subjugate free blacks as second-class citizens., and it continued well into the mid 20th Century.

See http://slavenorth.com, a scholarly study of the subject by state by Douglas Harper a historian, author, journalist, and lecturer based in Lancaster, Pa.

Lincoln himself was against free blacks mingling with white folks. We know he was still plotting till his death to ship as many free blacks as he could off the Continent.



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I will add to this my dad drove a tractor for a big time farmer after he got laid off after 27 yrs working for one company. He just enjoyed doing it. He would wire mobile homes up for the Mexican leader who owned the Mexicans to say. They worked for him he paid them what he thought they were worth and provided living quarters. They don’t make nothing and not many speak English? Are they not slaves I know they are illegal but is this not the same thing? Just a thought….
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The truth is that slavery was not abolished.
It was industrialized.
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rfenst wrote:
You are 100% correct. They do the job so cheap that American workers won't do that type of labor for the amount they'd be paid. Want Amerocans doing the job? - get ready for your food prices to skyrocket!


This is a common belief but actually we have the H2-A visa program for this.
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Wheel never said Pedro was H2-A.

Guess he was higher class than we knew….
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Ray no matter how much I have disagreed with you in the past you are dead on when it comes to Lincoln. I could not find where he said a black man should never stand with white men. Ole honest Abe is not what he seems to be . When I see a black person wearing a shirt with his face on it . I realize they do not know the truth. He did what he had to do to please the people of the north. Most slaves were no different than the Mexicans living here today. I can prove that if you want . I can take pictures of these farms down here and show you . I am not arguing with anyone just stating the facts that I have seen since I was a young buck.
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corey sellers wrote:
Ray no matter how much I have disagreed with you in the past you are dead on when it comes to Lincoln. I could not find where he said a black man should never stand with white men. Ole honest Abe is not what he seems to be . When I see a black person wearing a shirt with his face on it . I realize they do not know the truth. He did what he had to do to please the people of the north. Most slaves were no different than the Mexicans living here today. I can prove that if you want . I can take pictures of these farms down here and show you . I am not arguing with anyone just stating the facts that I have seen since I was a young buck.


Lot's of white peeps don't know the truth either because of government school indoctrination about the so-called "Great Emancipator".
Lincoln has been an industry in itself since those dark days, There hasn't been another POTUS that has been more deified and has had more biographies written about him. And if they are glowing biographies, those books would sell like hotcakes. Anything else that told the truth was deemed sacrilege by the Church of Lincoln.

Thomas DiLorenzo wrote this in The Deification of Lincoln, April 27, 2017
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/04/thomas-dilorenzo/the-deification-of-lincoln/

I was never a fan of Lincoln, as a high schooler, I just had that feeling that the fables that were being taught about the man just didn't add up. It wasn't until later that I found out why.

All I can say about the Mexican farm laborers who come under an H2-A visa, they come because it must be better than what opportunities they have at home.





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I definitely agree those opportunities back home must really suck.
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RayR wrote:
I was never a fan of Lincoln, as a high schooler, I just had that feeling that the fables that were being taught about the man just didn't add up. It wasn't until later that I found out why.


Except the small bit of actual film that exists of him. That's EPIC!

https://youtu.be/5UKS0qMPWGA?si=uby4nx8oT8VejWRc
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Except the small bit of actual film that exists of him. That's EPIC!

https://youtu.be/5UKS0qMPWGA?si=uby4nx8oT8VejWRc


Ya, I forgot that he was really mad that a vampire killed his momma, and his hate gave him super human strength to get revenge.
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Brewha wrote:
The truth is that slavery was not abolished.
It was industrialized.


I just realized that I agreed with you on something Brew although I try to ignore you. That's rather shocking, ain't it?

We do have slavery today on an industrial scale. The economic power which the federal government secured by the Sixteenth Amendment enabled it to bribe the state governments, as well as the citizens, into submission to its will. Slavery was never abolished; it was reformed as Jacob Hornberger wrote in Slavery and the Income Tax
https://www.fff.org/2015/04/15/slavery-income-tax/


Quote:
"Except for a brief period during the Civil War, the federal income tax was not a part of America’s governmental system for some 125 years. That’s because our American ancestors understood that if the federal government had the authority to tax incomes, the American people would not be free. They understood that a free society necessarily entails the right of people to keep everything they earn without fear that the government can seize any portion of it.

Moreover, our American ancestors rejected the welfare-warfare state that the income tax funds. Imagine: more than a century of American life without Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, farm subsidies, welfare, corporate bailouts, FDIC, Federal Reserve, fiat money, foreign aid, drug laws, immigration controls, economic regulations, public schooling, national-security establishment, military-industrial complex, foreign military bases, regime-change operations, coups, invasions, occupations, secret surveillance, torture, assassinations, Pentagon, CIA, and NSA.

That is what it once meant to be an American. That is what it once meant to be free. That is what it once meant to be exceptional."

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Seems like we now need a definitive, working definition of "slavery" that doesn't mutate.
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Brewha wrote:
It does however sell the idea that whites are the real victim in the US, and that we are not a deeply racist nation.


Don't know how well engrained the racisim is. I noticed it was most pronounced after the Jacob Blake situation. Although I am not looking for reporations, I appreciate you being open to share the truth.
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Brewha wrote:
So, maybe Rosa Parks was on the take?


She wasn't first. Claudette Colvin was first. So yes, Rosa Parks took the noteriety and she and her estate likely profited.
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George Floyd - definitely in it for the money….
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8trackdisco wrote:
She wasn't first. Claudette Colvin was first. So yes, Rosa Parks took the noteriety and she and her estate likely profited.

You learn something new everyday. Found this interesting piece from her Wikipedia page:

Quote:
but Colvin still refused to move. She was forcibly removed from the bus and arrested by the two policemen, Thomas J. Ward and Paul Headley. This event took place nine months before the NAACP secretary Rosa Parks was arrested for the same offense. Colvin later said: "My mother told me to be quiet about what I did. She told me to let Rosa be the one: white people aren't going to bother Rosa, they like her". Colvin did not receive the same attention as Parks for a number of reasons: she did not have "good hair", she was not fair-skinned, she was a teenager, she was pregnant. The leaders in the Civil Rights Movement tried to keep up appearances and make the "most appealing" protesters the most seen.
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Brewha wrote:
George Floyd - definitely in it for the money….


Aracely Henriquez and Angel Negrete agree!
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rfenst wrote:
Seems like we now need a definitive, working definition of "slavery" that doesn't mutate.


The abolition of serfdom and of slavery was only the abolition of obsolete forms of slavery. The restitution of these old forms of bondage by the progressives called for a firmer form of slavery, a taxation of labor that holds a greater number of people in bondage for the new mastas, the government and the recipients of government largesse.

Did you know that in Ancient Egypt, their words taxation and slavery became synonymous as peasants could be seized and held in bondage as slaves for non-payment of taxes?
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Brewha wrote:
George Floyd - definitely in it for the money….



As evidenced by the counterfeit $20 he passed that day.
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Burner02 wrote:
As evidenced by the counterfeit $20 he passed that day.

Not so fast...

"The store clerk who accepted a $20 bill from George Floyd shortly before Floyd died in a confrontation with police says he immediately suspected the bill was counterfeit — and he says he offered to pay for Floyd's cigarettes himself.

"I thought that George didn't really know that it was a fake bill," hristopher Martin testified Wednesday about taking the $20 bill. "So I thought I'd be doing him a favor." (emphasis added).




https://www.npr.org/sections/trial-over-killing-of-george-floyd/2021/03/31/983089623/watch-live-cashier-says-he-offered-to-pay-after-realizing-floyds-20-bill-was-fak#:~:text=The%20store%20clerk%20who%20accepted,pay%20for%20Floyd's%20cigarettes%20himself.
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RayR wrote:
The abolition of serfdom and of slavery was only the abolition of obsolete forms of slavery. The restitution of these old forms of bondage by the progressives called for a firmer form of slavery, a taxation of labor that holds a greater number of people in bondage for the new mastas, the government and the recipients of government largesse.

Slavery- noun:

The activity of legally owning other people who are forced to work for or obey you; and the condition of being legally owned by someone else and forced to work for or obey them.


https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/slavery
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