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Donald Trump is found liable for fraud in New York civil case
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Reuters
NEW YORK, Sept 26 (Reuters) - A New York judge found Donald Trump and his family business fraudulently inflated the value of his properties and other assets, in a major defeat for the former U.S. president that could severely restrict his ability to do business in the state.

The scathing decision by Justice Arthur Engoron of the New York state court in Manhattan will make it easier for state Attorney General Letitia James to establish damages at a scheduled Oct. 2 trial.

Engoron also ordered the cancellation of business certificates for the Trump Organization and other corporate defendants, and ordered the appointment of a receiver to manage their dissolution.

The judge described how Trump, his adult sons Donald Jr. and Eric, the Trump Organization and other defendants made up valuations and inflated Trump's net worth to suit their business needs.

"That is a fantasy world, not the real world," Engoron wrote.

The judge also sanctioned the defendants' lawyers for making "preposterous" legal arguments and fueling their clients' "obstreperous" conduct.

Lawyers for Trump and the other defendants did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

Trump, who holds a commanding lead in the race for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination, has denied all wrongdoing, and attacked James' case and other litigation against him as part of a politically-motivated "witch hunt."

James sued Trump in Sept. 2022, accusing him, his adult children and the Trump Organization of lying for a decade about asset values and his net worth to defraud banks and insurers into providing better terms.

The attorney general has said Trump inflated his net worth by as much as $2.23 billion, and by one measure as much as $3.6 billion, on annual financial statements.

Engoron said James had established liability for false valuations of several properties including Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida, his penthouse apartment in Manhattan's Trump Tower, and various office buildings and golf courses.

He took particular issue with Trump's claim that the penthouse was 30,000 square feet, nearly three times its actual size, resulting in an overvaluation of as much as $207 million.

"A discrepancy of this order of magnitude, by a real estate developer sizing up his own living space of decades, can only be considered fraud," Engoron wrote.

The judge also chided Trump for offering defenses in a deposition that were "wholly without basis," legally and factually.

"He claims that if the values of the property have gone up in the years since the (financial statements) were submitted, then the numbers were not inflated at that time," Engoron wrote.

"He also seems to imply that the numbers cannot be inflated because he could find a 'buyer from Saudi Arabia' to pay any price he suggests."

Engoron ruled three months after a state appeals court said some of James' claims were too old because statutes of limitations had expired in either July 2014 or February 2016.

He rejected Trump's argument that the decision essentially gutted James' lawsuit, which James has said reflected a series of "continuing wrongs" that she could prove at trial.

The appeals court dismissed one defendant, Trump's daughter Ivanka, from the case.

Trump also faces a slew of other litigation.

He has pleaded not guilty to charges in four indictments accusing him of trying to overturn his 2020 election, hoarding classified materials, and covering up hush money payments to a porn star.

Trump also faces a January civil trial over damages he owes for defaming a writer who claimed he raped her.

Engoron's decision does not automatically mean the trial will begin next Monday.

Trump has sued to delay the trial, accusing Engoron and James of ignoring the appeals court order to narrow the case.

He and the other defendants have said this made it impossible to prepare for trial because they did not know which claims they would have to defend against.

The appeals court is expected to rule on that request this week.



Unless overturned on Appeal, the only issue at trial will be how much in money damages/penalties will be required to be paid on the allegations ruled on in the Partial Summary Judgement. And, this is going to be, I think, a Bench Trial (almost certainly requested/agreed to by Trump), which means there is no jury to determine the facts. The judge does that in a BT, which doesn't bode well for the Defendants here. Judge also Ordered dissolution and the appointment of a Receiver (basically involuntary bankruptcy) of many of the defendants' business in the State of New York, which in and of itself is a very difficult penalty to overcome. Here is the PSJ Order:

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23991876/trump-ny-fraud-ruling.pdf
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Now we know why NYC has started to resemble Escape from New York, the State AG has been focused on somebody saying his property isn’t as big as he claims. Woohoo! Keep letting the violent criminals run around committing crimes when they should be imprisoned, but make sure you bury the evil orange man in litigation.
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JGKAMIN wrote:
Now we know why NYC has started to resemble Escape from New York, the State AG has been focused on somebody saying his property isn’t as big as he claims. Woohoo! Keep letting the violent criminals run around committing crimes when they should be imprisoned, but make sure you bury the evil orange man in litigation.

Rhetorical Question: Do you truly believe anyone in this country would walk away unscathed if he/she profited by committing multiple, repetitive, ongoing, progressive, civil (not criminal here) financial fraud to the tune of hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars, over many, many years?

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Joe Biden

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ZRX1200 wrote:
Joe Biden


We will see.
We will also sew the relative magnitude (if he is found guilty) of any money involved.
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JGKAMIN wrote:
Now we know why NYC has started to resemble Escape from New York, the State AG has been focused on somebody saying his property isn’t as big as he claims. Woohoo! Keep letting the violent criminals run around committing crimes when they should be imprisoned, but make sure you bury the evil orange man in litigation.


It must confuse and consternat you that Putin is committing war crimes yet your local police are still issuing traffic tickets.
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Of course the MAGA Right admires a leader who does criminal sh1t.

But they will join in to sing the song of his innocence and wrongful prosecution.

Hell - Z already got a "look over there!" in.
Good boy!
HockeyDad Offline
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I like how the judge found him guilty and now we can start the trial.
Mr. Jones Offline
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Kangaroo court....

It's a witch hunt....

Boo Hoo for the angry orange Mengggg'....

Trump understands nothing except DELAY DELAY AND
MORE DELAY.....

"dONT ASK FOR WHOm tHe bEll tOlls...orange meng'....
It tolls for thee".... And your two duuuupit sons....

The only thing trump hates in life???
Is paying for fines and criminal prosecution....
Smack down on both of those just happened...
rfenst Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
I like how the judge found him guilty and now we can start the trial.

Its called a partial summary judgement, which if granted ends some b.s/crap issues/arguments as ordered- to tidy up before trial or get the case dismissed. Very common tool in litigation.

Trump's lawyers and NY lawyers agreed that the facts were undisputed. Trump's attorneys filed for one too in the exact same way, but it was denied. Trump's attorneys were fined by the court and will be reported to their bars for making false and/or misleading statements/arguments.

He can appeal it all the way to the state's highest court. My bet is that it moves through appeals relatively fast. The appellate court will either affirm or deny without much explanation and it will quickly be heard by NY's highest court (oddly not called the supreme court of NY).

Here is a link to the Opinion. I read the whole thing. It explains why each and every reason defense that was struck/disallowed (and why other's weren't):


https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23991865-trump-ny-fraud-ruling
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Is there even ANY FREAKIN DOUBT AT ALL???

THAT THE ORANGE MENGGGG WONT APPEAL, AND APPEAL AND APPEAL AND DELAY DELAY AND DELAY...

IT IS HIS "Written in stone MANTRA"....

THE ORANGE MENG hAs never lost using these tactics....

I think this time he will.in this case...and on a few others he has coming due very soon...like in weeks or a few months at most....

It's time for the ORANGE 🍊 🍊 🍊 MENG' TO
PAY THE P.I.P.E.R. 🗣️🗣️🗣️🎷🎷🎷🎷🎷🎷🎷🎷🎷
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Wow - they are going after him for $250 million.
That's a lot of coin from his supporters.

Looks like he'll be kick out of Trump Tower too - bummer d'oh!
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Brewha wrote:
Wow - they are going after him for $250 million.
That's a lot of coin from his supporters.

Looks like he'll be kick out of Trump Tower too - bummer d'oh!


Asset forfeiture now!

(They still may have to assassinate him to stop him from running for President)
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HockeyDad wrote:
Asset forfeiture now!

(They still may have to assassinate him to stop him from running for President)


If he does, he's going to win again.
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HockeyDad wrote:
Asset forfeiture now!

(They still may have to assassinate him to stop him from running for President)


I heard the crazy old crooked fug called for a hit on da Trump and the MAGA people the other day. He hates the slogan "Make America Great Again", those words are anti-Bidenomics.

"There's something dangerous happening in America now. There's an extremist movement that does not share the basic beliefs of our democracy: the MAGA movement. Not every Republican, not even a majority of Republicans, adheres to the MAGA extremist ideology. I know this because I've been able to work with Republicans my whole career," Biden said

"My friends, they're not hiding their attacks. They're openly promoting them, attacking the free press as the enemy of the people, attacking the rule of law as an impediment, formatting voter suppression and elections subversion."

He even accused MAGA of banning books and burying history.
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Donald Trump’s Fraud Trial in New York

Is this a case about inflated asset values or partisan politics? Yes.


WSJ Editorial Board
New York’s civil fraud trial against Donald Trump and his business empire started Monday in a Manhattan courtroom, and the great shame is that he and state Attorney General Letitia James can’t both lose. In comments at the courthouse, Mr. Trump called it a “witch hunt,” and he has a point. Yet the investigation also seems to have caught some typical Trumpian deception.

Judge Arthur Engoron granted partial summary judgment to the state last week, ruling that Mr. Trump presented grossly inflated financial figures to lenders. This is “not a matter of rounding errors or reasonable experts disagreeing,” he wrote. Mr. Trump’s famed triplex residence in Trump Tower is 10,996 square feet, but he repeatedly claimed 30,000 square feet.

“Defendants absurdly suggest that ‘the calculation of square footage is a subjective process that could lead to differing results,’” the judge added. “Well yes, perhaps, if the area is rounded or oddly shaped,” but “good-faith measurements could vary by as much as 10-20%, not 200%. A discrepancy of this order of magnitude, by a real estate developer sizing up his own living space of decades, can only be considered fraud.”

The ruling goes on for pages like this: Despite four appraisals pegging his Seven Springs estate at $30 million or less, Mr. Trump claimed it was worth $261 million. He valued apartments in New York as if their rents weren’t regulated. His figures for several golf clubs “included a 15% or 30% ‘premium’ based on the ‘Trump brand,’” according to the judge, even while lenders were told no such premium was added.

Judge Engoron acknowledged that this asset puffery doesn’t seem to have created losses for the creditors: “Defendants correctly assert that ‘the record is devoid of any evidence of default, breach, late payment, or any complaint of harm.’” The judge said, however, that legally speaking this is “completely irrelevant.” Whether he is correct under New York law is a possible subject of appeal.

Perhaps the state will argue that the lenders might have demanded better terms if they’d seen accurate information. New York is the nation’s financial capital and has an interest in stopping deceit in the marketplace.

But the lenders weren’t naifs and had to know Mr. Trump’s penchant for lying. Mr. Trump appears to believe he could claim anything, as long as he tacked on a disclaimer. “They call it ‘worthless clause,’” he said in a deposition, “because it makes the statement ‘worthless.’”

Yet Mr. Trump is right that Ms. James is a partisan Democrat who campaigned on going after him. The night she won the AG’s race in November 2018, she proclaimed: “I will be shining a bright light into every dark corner of his real estate dealings.” This is an abuse of prosecutorial power, targeting a person and then hunting for something to charge him with.

There is also cause to wonder about Judge Engoron’s sweeping judgment when there are no clear victims. The judge’s pretrial ruling last week would essentially strip Mr. Trump of control over assets in New York, including Trump Tower. Ms. James wants to ban him from doing business in New York. It’s hard to believe anyone not named Trump, and not so loathed by Democrats, would be facing such a sanction.

Mr. Trump showed up in court Monday for a reason, using every opportunity to portray himself as a political victim. His claim will resonate with many because of Ms. James’s targeting and Judge Engoron’s caustic opinion. If Democrats hope all of this will keep Mr. Trump from the White House, they may discover they are helping him win the GOP nomination to face a weak and unpopular President Biden.
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The picture of ORANGE MENG IN COURT yesterday was
" very telling"...he looked B.E.A.T.E.N. AND SCARED LITTLE TIT MOUSE FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HIS LIFE...

AND for the first time in his life?
He will loose...he will loose..he will loose...
And he absolutely KNOWS IT !!!

( IN HIS Defense...I don't think the "guilty orange meng' "
Is getting much sleep lately...
Dreams of loosing trump towers and every other NY STATE BASED BUSINESS OF HIS INTO RECIEVERSHIP AND PAYING $250 MILLION IN FINES ( which is at least all of his liquid cash reserves and hard c**k right up his fat keister")....

By the time of his January 6 trial he will be weeping like a little girl on her "first FLOW DAY"....BECAUSE GEORGIA IS GONNA FIND Eeeeeeemmmmm' G.U.I.L.T.Y. TOO !!!

IT WILL BE T.R.E.E. STRIKES AND THE BALL GAME IS

O
V
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FOR

THE

ORANGE 🍊🍊 🍊 / TREE STRIKES ⚾⚾⚾❎❎❎☑️☑️☑️

MENG'''
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My Summary of what you wrote: Yes.
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Does Charles Keating ring a bell?
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I heard this is a show trial where Engoron is judge, jury and executioner.

Letitia James is a Demo-Commie that will say and do anything to pillage the wicked bourgeoisie and further her own political ambitions. She doesn't care who she hurts along the way, even the proletariat who she says she is fighting for (BIG LIE), and will steamroll anyone that gets in her way.

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RayR wrote:
I heard this is a show trial where Engoron is judge, jury and executioner.

Letitia James is a Demo-Commie that will say and do anything to pillage the wicked bourgeoisie and further her own political ambitions. She doesn't care who she hurts along the way, even the proletariat who she says she is fighting for (BIG LIE), and will steamroll anyone that gets in her way.


Yet another "I heard..." to bolster your opinion or whatever you regurgitate.
How about links to source articles?
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rfenst wrote:
Yet another "I heard..." to bolster your opinion or whatever you regurgitate.
How about links to source articles?



Oh, now you WANT links? Why? To ignore the source or pretend it didn't exist?

Whenever I post them...and I ALWAYS do to back up a point I'm revealing...you and a slew begrudge that I'm incapable of typing what I'm speaking! I can be on point, but when an article adds that little exclamation point, well who am I to get out of its way?
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Oh, now you WANT links? Why? To ignore the source or pretend it didn't exist?

Whenever I post them...and I ALWAYS do to back up a point I'm revealing...you and a slew begrudge that I'm incapable of typing what I'm speaking! I can be on point, but when an article adds that little exclamation point, well who am I to get out of its way?

Incapable? No.
You are wrongly projecting on me about what I think of you.
I just like to read everybody's sources myself, that's all. And, YES, you do certainly provide them.
I harbor no hard feelings- we just wear "different colored glasses."
RayR Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Oh, now you WANT links? Why? To ignore the source or pretend it didn't exist?

Whenever I post them...and I ALWAYS do to back up a point I'm revealing...you and a slew begrudge that I'm incapable of typing what I'm speaking! I can be on point, but when an article adds that little exclamation point, well who am I to get out of its way?


Yes, these guys are so ridiculous, you post someone else's thoughts, then they accuse you of not having any original thoughts of your own. If you post only your own thoughts, they want links to someone else's thoughts to support your thoughts. I think they'd only be happy if we didn't have any thoughts at all. Think
RayR Offline
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rfenst wrote:
Yet another "I heard..." to bolster your opinion or whatever you regurgitate.
How about links to source articles?


OK, I'll give you what you want this time, so don't say I never gave you anything.
I've heard it from a couple of sources, some of which you would say are not credible, but here's is one from a source you have total faith in.

Jurist presiding at Trump’s civil trial will serve as judge and jury.

Justice Arthur F. Engoron, a fan of puns and pop culture, will decide the fate of the former president’s family business at his civil fraud trial.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/02/nyregion/arthur-engoron-fraud-trial-trump.html

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What is this, the fiftieth time they've said 'they've got him?' Yawn......stick to cigar reviews.
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RayR wrote:
Yes, these guys are so ridiculous, you post someone else's thoughts, then they accuse you of not having any original thoughts of your own. If you post only your own thoughts, they want links to someone else's thoughts to support your thoughts. I think they'd only be happy if we didn't have any thoughts at all. Think

So, stop with the "I heard" b.s.
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rfenst wrote:
So, stop with the "I heard" b.s.


Why? Because you don't like what I heard?
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That’s what I heard.
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Me Too !
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Heard that.
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RayR wrote:
Yes, these guys are so ridiculous, you post someone else's thoughts, then they accuse you of not having any original thoughts of your own. If you post only your own thoughts, they want links to someone else's thoughts to support your thoughts. I think they'd only be happy if we didn't have any thoughts at all. Think


Now you're starting to figure it out, but I must say it took me way less posts...

At one point Fankie T even banned quotes. :(

Just cant win around here Lol


RayR Offline
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RobertHively wrote:
Now you're starting to figure it out, but I must say it took me way less posts...

At one point Fankie T even banned quotes. :(

Just cant win around here Lol



Ya, I heard that Frankie was kinda of a dicktator banning quotes and stuff.

Actually, this is not my first rodeo with thought controllers.




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My statement that Letitia James is a Demo-Commie is not without merit. Jim Hoft's own thoughts point to the same conclusion.

A Perfect Example of the Wickedness in Today’s Democrat Party: Unhinged Bully Letitia James Insists She Is the Real Victim

By Jim Hoft Oct. 5, 2023 8:15 am

Quote:
In November 2018 Letitia James became the first African-American elected the Attorney General of New York state in November 2018.

It didn’t take long for Letitia to show her true colors. In a video taken at that time James was seen cursing and threatening President Trump.

Quote:
Supporter: What would you say to people who say, ‘Oh, I’m not going to bother to register to vote because my voice doesn’t make a difference.” Or, “I’m just one person.”

Letitia James: “I say one name. Donald Trump. That should motivate you. Get off your ass and vote.

Supporter: Will you sue him for us?

Letitia James: Oh, we’re definitely going to sue him. We’re going to be a real pain in the ass. He’s going to know my name personally.

First listen to this profanity language

Now imagine a conservative would've said this and Obama is President

She is the newly elected Attorney General of New York pic.twitter.com/Gmk7JwEiyk

— Joel Fischer 🇺🇸 (@realJoelFischer) November 10, 2018


Joseph Stalin’s henchman Lavrently once famously said, “Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime.”
That famous Marxist quote defines today’s Democrat party.

Since that time Letitia James has made it her goal in life to harass and destroy President Donald Trump, his family, the family name, and his massive business empire.

More...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/perfect-example-wickedness-todays-democrat-party-crazed-lunatic/
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RayR wrote:
Ya, I heard that Frankie was kinda of a dicktator banning quotes and stuff.

Actually, this is not my first rodeo with thought controllers.







I have no doubt that you have seen it all before. In fact your post that I commented on was one of the best I've read in a while. I think that correctly sums up some of these jokers.

I was just teasing with Frank too. I consider him my vet, bc he always stood up for my right to say what I want, no matter if he disagreed with me or not. That's a libertarian principle and one of several things that we have in common.
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rfenst wrote:
So, stop with the "I heard" b.s.


You heard that?
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RobertHively wrote:

I was just teasing with Frank too. I consider him my vet, bc he always stood up for my right to say what I want, no matter if he disagreed with me or not. That's a libertarian principle and one of several things that we have in common.


that'll never change.

and off camera, I encouraged rayray to stay too...much to my regret...HA!!!
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Been doing some research on this. It seems that proving requires proving ALL nine elements.

From: https://www.robertdmitchell.com/common-law-fraud

To successfully allege a claim for common law fraud, a plaintiff must plead each element with specificity and particularity. See, e.g., Baron v. Pfizer, Inc., 820 N.Y.S.2d 841, 12 Misc. 3d 1169(A) (N.Y. App. Div. 2006) (holding that New York law requires a cause of action for fraud be pled with greater specificity than other causes of action (citing Small v. Lorillard Tobacco Co., 94 N.Y.2d 43, 57, 720 N.E.2d 892, 898 (N.Y. 1999))); Enyart v. Transamerica Ins. Co., 195 Ariz. 71, 77, 985 P.2d 556, 562 (Ariz. Ct. App. 1998) (“Each element [of fraud] must be supported by sufficient evidence. ‘Fraud may never be established by doubtful, vague, speculative, or inconclusive evidence.’” (quoting Echols v. Beauty Built Homes, Inc., 132 Ariz. 498, 500, 647 P.2d 629, 631 (1982))); Liniger v. Sonenblick, 532 P.2d 538, 539-40, 23 Ariz. App. 266, 267-68 (Ariz. Ct. App. 1975) (“Actionable fraud cannot exist without a concurrence of all essential elements.” (citing Nielson v. Flashberg, 101 Ariz. 335, 339, 419 P.2d 514, 518 (1966))); but see Zimmerman v. Loose, 162 Colo. 80, 87-88, 425 P.2d 803, 807 (1967) (concluding that “fraud may be inferred from circumstantial evidence” and that direct proof of reliance is unnecessary to prevail on a common law fraud claim); but see Denbo v. Badger, 503 P.2d 384, 386, 18 Ariz. App. 426, 428 (Ariz. Ct. App. 1972) (reasoning that a party need not allege with particularity whether the party “had a right to rely on representations,” because this element is “determined from the very facts alleged” (citing Jamison v. S. States Life Ins. Co., 412 P.2d 306, 3 Ariz. App. 131 (1966))). Notably, “conclusory language” will not satisfy the specificity requirement of a common law fraud claim. Small v. Fritz Cos., Inc., 30 Cal. 4th 167, 184, 65 P.3d 1255, 1265 (Cal. 2003); see Armed Forces Ins. Exch. v. Harrison, 2003 UT 14, 16, 70 P.3d 35, 40 (Utah 2003) (stressing that “mere conclusory allegations in a pleading, unsupported by a recitation of relevant surrounding facts, are insufficient to preclude summary judgment”).

IX. Ninth Element of Common Law Fraud: Injured Party Suffered Consequent and Proximate Injury

The ninth and final common law fraud element is proof of the injured party’s consequent and proximate injury. “It is of the very essence of an action of fraud and deceit that the same shall be accompanied by damage, and neither damnum absque injuria nor injuria absque damnum by themselves constitute a good cause of action.” George Hunt, Inc. v. Wash-Bowl, Inc., 348 So. 2d 910, 912, 1977 Fla. App. LEXIS 15920, at *5 (Fla. Dist. Ct. App. 1977) (quoting Stokes v. Victory Land Co., 99 Fla. 795, 802, 128 So. 408, 410 (1930)); Cocchiara, 353 Or. at 299 (“Most notably, a plaintiff will have to prove damages to bring a successful [fraud] claim.”); Larsen v. Pacesetter Sys., Inc., 74 Haw. 1, 29, 837 P.2d 1273, 1288 amended on reh’g in part, 74 Haw. 650, 843 P.2d 144 (1992) (“An action based on fraud will not lie where plaintiff has suffered no injury or damage.” (citing Hawaii’s Thousand Friends v. Anderson, 70 Haw. 276, 286, 768 P.2d 1293, 1301 (1989))). The plaintiff must have incurred the loss “in the type of transaction in which the maker of the representation intends or has reason to expect his or her conduct to be influenced.” Ernst & Young, L.L.P., 51 S.W.3d at 577, 2001 Tex. LEXIS 61 at *8-9 (citing RESTATEMENT (SECOND) OF TORTS § 531 (1977)). “It may differ in matters of detail or in extent, unless these differences are so great as to amount to a change in the essential character of the transaction.” Id.

In the common law fraud context, “to be actionable the alleged misrepresentation must not only have induced the recipient’s reliance, but must also have caused the recipient’s loss.” Clayton v. Heartland Res., Inc., 754 F. Supp. 2d 884, 899, 2010 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 143996, at *41 (W.D. Ky. 2010) (quoting Flegles, Inc. v. Truserv Corp., 289 S.W.3d 544, 553, 2009 Ky. LEXIS 23, at *18 (2009)). Importantly, the term “cause” means “legal or proximate cause, which consists of a finding of causation in fact.” Id. (quoting Flegles, Inc., supra); see also Glaser v. Enzo Biochem, Inc., 464 F.3d 474, 477, 2006 U.S. App. LEXIS 23968, at *5-6 (4th Cir. 2006) (affirming dismissal of a common law fraud claim due to insufficient pleading of loss causation); Lincoln Nat. Life Ins. Co. v. Snyder, 722 F.Supp.2d 546, 559-60, 2010 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 71127, at *31-33 (D. Del. 2010) (finding loss causation required for common law fraud claim under Delaware state law); Kosovich v. Metro Homes, LLC, 2009 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 121390, at *19-21 (S.D.N.Y. 2009) (finding the common law fraud claim deficient for failure to establish loss causation).

“Generally speaking, to be actionable, harm must constitute something more than ‘nominal damages, speculative harm, or the threat of future harm.’” Philipson & Simon, 154 Cal. App. 4th at 364, 64 Cal. Rptr. 3d at 517 (quoting Buttram v. Owens-Corning Fiberglas Corp., 16 Cal. 4th 520, 531 n. 4, 941 P.2d 71, 77 n. 4 (1997). Accordingly, “damage claims are not ripe or recoverable” until the plaintiff “is actually exposed to liability toward a third party.” Id.

For example, a plaintiff is not harmed if she is “in exactly the same situation” before and after the representation. Rice, 268 Ore. at 128-29, 519 P.2d at 1265. Thus, even if the “plaintiff[] ha[s] established all the other elements necessary to maintain an action for fraud,” she will not successfully plead common law fraud if she does not establish that a judgment will affect her current situation.


IIRC DA Bragg never proved Trump caused any entity to suffer a loss. If so, wouldn’t that mean that ALL nine REQUIRED elements were not proven?
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#39 Posted:
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this is Civil Fraud.
No idea if that's different than Common Law Fraud
rfenst Offline
#40 Posted:
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Sorry, but you have simply cited general examples of laws from multiple different states.
This needs to be analyzed under NEW YORK'S LAWS....
More to come
rfenst Offline
#41 Posted:
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Trump’s $355 Million Fine Fits With New York Law
The verdict feels proper, but will we come to regret stretching Executive Law 63 (12)?

WSJ
Judge Arthur F. Engoron’s order last week that Donald Trump pay a penalty of hundreds of millions of dollars shouldn’t be a surprise. The civil case, brought by New York state’s Attorney General Letitia James, had largely been decided on Sept. 26, when Judge Engoron concluded that many of Mr. Trump’s dealings were fraudulent. As a political matter, the decision also lends little to the current debate. Democrats and Trump detractors will find vindication in the ruling, and the MAGA world will have another example of a Democratic judge and prosecutor in a blue-state ruling against Mr. Trump to feed the perception that the justice system is corrupt.

What the public is likely to miss in all this is the role of a little-known and largely misunderstood New York statute, Executive Law 63(12). The civil statute empowers the New York attorney general to pursue cases involving “repeated fraudulent or illegal acts or . . . persistent fraud or illegality in the carrying on, conducting or transaction of business.” In such cases, the attorney general can petition the court to prohibit the continuance of the fraudulent practices, to order restitution as well as damages and, where appropriate, to cancel any New York state certificate of incorporation. In this case, Ms. James obtained all this and more. Relying on equitable principles, she won an order requiring Mr. Trump and the Trump Organization to disgorge all ill-gotten gains, to the tune of $355 million.

The judge’s rulings and Mr. Trump’s protestations have made the oddities of this law clear: Judge Engoron has specifically stated that “materiality”—the notion that Mr. Trump’s statements mattered and were relied on—isn’t an element of this law. This notion may be well-settled in prior rulings involving this law, but it is at odds with the general rule in fraud cases. Under this law, as Judge Engoron explained, the conduct at issue must merely have “the capacity or tendency to deceive.”

That means that it doesn’t matter whether Mr. Trump’s bankers were actually misled by him—strange, to say the least. If Mr. Trump acted in a way that had a “tendency to deceive”—even if there was no deception—that’s good enough to find that he violated the law. The rationale makes sense only if it is understood that this law is essentially a consumer-fraud statute looking to protect the public from “persistent fraud or illegality.”
But here the conduct being targeted was between sophisticated business entities.

Equally strange is that under this law there is no need to prove loss. This isn’t about recovering money bilked from a deceived third party or group of unwitting consumers. Instead, the court is granting Ms. James an order of disgorgement because banks and insurance companies accepted Mr. Trump’s inflated appraisals and valuations and provided larger loans and coverage at better rates than was warranted. Again, this is a somewhat odd proposition given that there seems to be no victim in this case. As Mr. Trump argued, his so-called victims—banks and insurance companies—weren’t victims at all. They dealt with him for years, understood his hyperbolic nature and chose to do business with him anyway. The court’s answer: Under Executive Law 63(12), that isn’t relevant.


Many of us are delighted to see Mr. Trump get his comeuppance. We believe that his “art of the deal” is a version of the long con. Now Ms. James has proven it. She should be credited with a novel and effective use of an existing statute that others overlooked to obtain a result that feels right. But it is worth considering whether, in the quest to get Mr. Trump, many of our public officials may be pressing the law in ways that will outlive the cases against the former president.

I don’t believe that the attorney general’s case is at odds with the law as it exists in New York. But I do question whether there is a compelling policy rationale that supports using a consumer-fraud statute in situations in which there was no loss and where materiality is deemed irrelevant.

Shouldn’t we consider whether this is the appropriate statute and proper proceeding to prove that case? And shouldn’t we be concerned that the further expansion of this law is something we may regret? The Trump maelstrom continues to contort, if not wreak havoc on, the institutions that seek to tame it.





Mr. Cohen is founder of Blue Raven LLP and adjunct professor at New York Law School. He served as an assistant U.S. attorney (1991-98) and chief of staff to New York state Attorney General Andrew Cuomo (2007-10).

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Baron v Pfizer, Inc.
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Baron v Pfizer, Inc. 2007 NY Slip Op 05813 [42 AD3d 627] July 5, 2007 Appellate Division, Third Department Published by New York State Law Reporting Bureau pursuant to Judiciary Law § 431. As corrected through Wednesday, September 12, 2007

Stephanie Baron, on Behalf of Herself and All Others Similarly Situated, Appellant, v Pfizer, Inc., Respondent.
—[*1] James, Hoyer, Newcomer & Smiljanich, P.A., Tampa, Florida (John M. Dillon of Dillon & Dillon, L.L.C., Mamaroneck, of counsel), for appellant.

Whiteman, Osterman & Hanna, L.L.P., Albany (Neal A. Potischman of Davis, Polk & Wardwell, New York City, of counsel), for respondent.

Mercure, J. Appeal from an order of the Supreme Court (McCarthy, J.), entered May 2, 2006 in Albany County, which granted defendant's motion to dismiss the complaint.

Plaintiff commenced this action seeking certification of a statewide class of all individuals who purchased the drug Neurontin for "off-label" uses, i.e., uses for which the drug was not approved by the Food and Drug Administration (hereinafter FDA). The Parke-Davis Division of Warner-Lambert Company, which was acquired by defendant in 2000, received approval from the FDA to market and sell Neurontin for the treatment of epilepsy. From June 1995 to April 2000, however, Warner-Lambert also engaged in a broad campaign to promote Neurontin for a variety of pain uses, psychiatric conditions such as bipolar disorder and anxiety, and for certain other unapproved uses. Following a six-year investigation of these activities, the United States Department of Justice prosecuted Warner-Lambert, which ultimately agreed to plead guilty to (1) introducing into interstate commerce a misbranded drug that did not have adequate directions on the label for the intended uses of the drug and (2) introducing an unapproved new drug into interstate commerce. Pursuant to the plea agreement and a civil settlement agreement, Warner-Lambert consented to a criminal fine of $240 million and, [*2]primarily to reimburse state and federal Medicaid programs, civil fines of $190 million.

In this action, plaintiff asserts claims sounding in fraud, violation of General Business Law § 349 and unjust enrichment based upon the fact that she was prescribed and used Neurontin for neck pain, an off-label use. Following joinder of issue but prior to class certification, defendant moved to dismiss the proposed class action complaint in its entirety pursuant to CPLR 3211 (a) (7) and 3016 (b). Supreme Court granted defendant's motion and dismissed the complaint. In addition, the court dismissed as academic plaintiff's pending motions to compel discovery and for class certification. Plaintiff appeals[FN*] and we now affirm.

In determining a motion to dismiss for failure to state a claim, a "court must afford the pleadings a liberal construction, take the allegations of the complaint as true and provide plaintiff the benefit of every possible inference" (EBC I, Inc. v Goldman, Sachs & Co., 5 NY3d 11, 19 [2005]; see Skibinsky v State Farm Fire & Cas. Co., 6 AD3d 975, 976 [2004]; 1455 Washington Ave. Assoc. v Rose & Kiernan, 260 AD2d 770, 771 [1999]). Moreover, "a court may freely consider affidavits submitted by the plaintiff to remedy any defects in the complaint" (Leon v Martinez, 84 NY2d 83, 88 [1994]). With respect to plaintiff's claims herein, we note that to state a cause of action under General Business Law § 349, a plaintiff must allege that the defendant has engaged in consumer-oriented acts or practices that are " 'deceptive or misleading in a material way and that plaintiff has been injured by reason thereof' " (Small v Lorillard Tobacco Co., 94 NY2d 43, 55 [1999], quoting Oswego Laborers' Local 214 Pension Fund v Marine Midland Bank, 85 NY2d 20, 25 [1995] [emphasis added]; see Stutman v Chemical Bank, 95 NY2d 24, 29 [2000]). That is, while an assertion of justifiable reliance is not necessary, a plaintiff must allege that defendant's consumer-oriented, deceptive acts or practices "caused actual, although not necessarily pecuniary, harm" directly to plaintiff (Oswego Laborers' Local 214 Pension Fund v Marine Midland Bank, supra at 26; see Blue Cross & Blue Shield of N.J., Inc. v Philip Morris USA Inc., 3 NY3d 200, 207-208 [2004]; Stutman v Chemical Bank, supra at 29-30; Small v Lorillard Tobacco Co., supra at 56).

Here, the parties' dispute centers on whether plaintiff adequately alleged that she suffered an injury as a result of defendant's deceptive acts. Plaintiff argues that Supreme Court erred in holding that she failed to sufficiently allege a cognizable injury when it is undisputed that she paid for Neurontin, which was prescribed by her doctor for an off-label use. Essentially, plaintiff seeks a refund of the purchase price of Neurontin on the ground that she would not have purchased the drug absent defendant's deceptive practices. The Court of Appeals, however, has rejected this very argument, i.e., "that consumers who buy a product that they would not have purchased, absent a manufacturer's deceptive commercial practices, have suffered an injury under General Business Law § 349" (Small v Lorillard Tobacco Co., supra at 56). Without further allegations that, for example, the price of the product was inflated as a result of defendant's deception or that use of the product adversely affected plaintiff's health, plaintiff's claim "sets forth deception as both act and injury" and, thus, "contains no manifestation of either pecuniary or 'actual' harm" (id.). Indeed, we note that plaintiff failed even to allege—either in her complaint or supporting affidavit—that Neurontin was ineffective to treat her neck pain, and her claim that any off-label prescription of Neurontin was potentially dangerous both asserts a harm [*3]that is merely speculative and is belied in any event by the fact that off-label use is a widespread and accepted medical practice (see Buckman Co. v Plaintiffs' Legal Comm., 531 US 341, 350 [2001]; Washington Legal Found. v Henney, 202 F3d 331, 333 [2000]). In short, because plaintiff failed to allege actual harm or that she sustained a pecuniary injury, Supreme Court properly determined that she failed to state a claim under General Business Law § 349 (see Small v Lorillard Tobacco Co., supra at 56; Donahue v Ferolito, Vultaggio & Sons, 13 AD3d 77, 78 [2004], lv denied 4 NY3d 706 [2005]; Rice v Penguin Putnam, 289 AD2d 318, 319 [2001], appeal dismissed and lv denied 98 NY2d 635 [2002]).

We similarly conclude that plaintiff's unjust enrichment claim was properly dismissed. A claim for unjust enrichment will lie when "(1) the defendant was enriched, (2) at the expense of the plaintiff, and (3) . . . it would be inequitable to permit the defendant to retain that which is claimed by the plaintiff" (Clifford R. Gray, Inc. v LeChase Constr. Servs., LLC, 31 AD3d 983, 988 [2006]; see Paramount Film Distrib. Corp. v State of New York, 30 NY2d 415, 421 [1972], cert denied 414 US 829 [1973]; Citibank, N.A. v Walker, 12 AD3d 480, 481 [2004]). Inasmuch as plaintiff makes only conclusory allegations that defendant's deceptive acts played a role in her use of Neurontin, without alleging that her physician's decision to prescribe the drug was influenced by defendant or that the drug was ineffective to treat her, she has failed to allege that defendant is in possession of money belonging to plaintiff and her claim was properly dismissed (see Clifford R. Gray, Inc. v LeChase Constr. Servs., LLC, supra at 988).

Finally, inasmuch as plaintiff failed to expressly request leave to amend her complaint, Supreme Court did not err in refusing to sua sponte grant such relief (see Anderson Props. v Sawhill Tubular Div., Cyclops Corp., 149 AD2d 950, 950-951 [1989]; see also Yavorski v Dewell, 288 AD2d 545, 548 [2001]). The parties' remaining arguments are rendered academic by our decision.

Cardona, P.J., Crew III, Peters and Carpinello, JJ., concur. Ordered that the order is affirmed, with costs. Footnotes

Footnote *: Plaintiff has expressly abandoned her appeal with respect to the dismissal of her common-law fraud claim.
rfenst Offline
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That's a bull-chit class-action lawsuit about a drug's popular off-label uses. It's about a pre-trial Motion to Dismiss that has nothing at all to do factually or legally with the same issues or even the same law.


Steps in proper legal analysis:

1. Facts
2. Issue(s)
3. Reasoning
4. Holding
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Shark Tank star Kevin O’Leary said Monday he will no longer invest in New York in response to a $355 million judgment issued against former president Donald Trump in a state court last week.

New York judge Arthur Engoron ordered Trump to pay the massive sum for conspiring, the court ruled, to alter his net worth to receive tax and insurance benefits. The order also prevents Trump from doing business in New York for three years. The decision was the conclusion of a months-long civil fraud trial that New York attorney general Letitia James brought against the former president, the Trump organization, and his executives.

During an appearance on Fox Business, O’Leary said he was “shocked” by the ruling. “This award, I mean, just leaving the whole Trump thing out of it and seeing what occurred here. . . . And I’m no different than any other investor, I’m shocked at this. I can’t even understand or fathom the decision at all. There’s no rationale for it.”

“It was already on the top of the list of being a loser state, I would never invest in New York now,” he added. “And I’m not the only person saying that.”

He suggested that businesses will flee New York to go to more business-friendly states such as Texas and Florida, and he brushed off New York Governor Kathy Hochul’s attempt to reassure business owners after the landmark ruling.

“I think that this is really an extraordinary, unusual circumstance that the law-abiding and rule-following New Yorkers who are business people have nothing to worry about, because they’re very different than Donald Trump and his behavior,” Hochul said.

“We’re very worried, every investor is worried because where is the victim? Who lost the money? This is some arbitrary decision a judge made,” O’Leary said. “This policy . . . what does this say about the bar? About the legal bar in New York? Aren’t they going to question this judge? What is this?”

“I’m sorry her words fall on deaf ears to everybody,” he added. “There’s nothing she can say to justify this decision. And this has nothing to do with Trump, nothing to do with Trump. Forget about Trump, this is not a Trump situation, this is a New York problem.”

Trump, for his part, praised O’Leary in a post on Truth Social.

“Kevin O’Leary is so great, and tells it like it is. Businesses will flee NYC & State after the Corrupt Judge’s ruling!” he wrote.
MACS Offline
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^Businesses were already fleeing NY and CA. It will continue.

The people who stay in those God Forsaken states will eventually reap what they have sown. My sister still lives on Long Island. Her husband still owns a business there, but they've already bought a house and property in FL.
Brewha Offline
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“Honest John” prolly won’t pay the bill anyway. It’s one of his super powers….
What’s the biggie?
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If there were “repeated fraudulent or illegal acts or . . . persistent fraud or illegality in the carrying on, conducting or transaction of business.”:

Show me the victim(s) making the complaint.
Show me the financial loss that the victim(s) realized.
If you can't, then the real frauds are Letitia James and Judge Engoron
MACS Offline
#48 Posted:
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RayR wrote:
If there were “repeated fraudulent or illegal acts or . . . persistent fraud or illegality in the carrying on, conducting or transaction of business.”:

Show me the victim(s) making the complaint.
Show me the financial loss that the victim(s) realized.
If you can't, then the real frauds are Letitia James and Judge Engoron


Yessir... Nobody complained. No victims.

No financial loss was realized... which is why nobody complained, which is why the whole fkn thing is a sham. A political stunt, perpetrated by Joe fkn Biden and his lackeys to persecute their political opponent.

What's different from that and Putin killing his rival in prison? Russia is a communist country. They have that excuse.
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The lesson should be learned that civil asset forfeiture will be used against the political opposition. It would be best to not oppose.

I look forward to four more years of President Biden building back better. I need to get one of those hats.
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#50 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
The lesson should be learned that civil asset forfeiture will be used against the political opposition. It would be best to not oppose.

I look forward to four more years of President Biden building back better. I need to get one of those hats.


Oh they'll keep using this technique, however it will almost always be overturned on appeal.
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