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usahog Offline
#1 Posted: Tue, Feb 11 2003, 8:27 PM EST
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Hi ;0)~~~

Hog
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RICKAMAVEN Offline
#2 Posted: Wed, Feb 12 2003, 4:27 AM EST
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what can i do for you, fill in the blanks?
tarheel4lyf Offline
#3 Posted: Wed, Feb 12 2003, 5:21 AM EST
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that's good, real good!!

LOL
Tobasco Offline
#4 Posted: Wed, Feb 12 2003, 5:31 AM EST
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Good one Hog!!

Mag
cwilhelmi Offline
#5 Posted: Wed, Feb 12 2003, 6:55 AM EST
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Is this compasionate conservatism?
Robby Offline
#6 Posted: Wed, Feb 12 2003, 6:57 AM EST
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It's compassionate to use JDAMs. They only kill the military targets. Much better than carpet bombing.
cwilhelmi Offline
#7 Posted: Wed, Feb 12 2003, 6:58 AM EST
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conservativism (SP)
Charlie Offline
#8 Posted: Wed, Feb 12 2003, 7:00 AM EST
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The even newer "Get Tough Policy"!!!!!

Charlie
cwilhelmi Offline
#9 Posted: Wed, Feb 12 2003, 8:21 AM EST
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Does anyone else see this as a racist remark? Saying that we're going to handle all of the people with "laundry on their heads" is as moronic as the statements coming from the middle east calling all Americans war mongering cowboy infidels.

I would like to think that we are better than these racist and ignorant statements!!

my 2 cents...
usahog Offline
#10 Posted: Wed, Feb 12 2003, 8:28 AM EST
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cwil get off your horse... I posted this in Pun...

and that isn't actually GW saying those words, someone had sent that to me in an email... I posted it but edited the one word out... but I would also be the writer if need be.. so bash me if you want... but wake up to the fact GW didn't and quit trying to Rally the troops in your aquesations (sp)
Racist give me a break!!!

Hog
cwilhelmi Offline
#11 Posted: Wed, Feb 12 2003, 9:01 AM EST
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I wasn't calling you a racist nor was I implying that GWB actually said this; I was saying that the originator made a racist remark. And I'm not trying to pass myself off as better than anyone else.

We just need to remember through all of these trying times the reason we have all of our glorious freedoms and what the cost has been as well as the bumps along the way. We don't need to regress to simple statements such as these to rally support or make jokes, we are the USA, we've gotten to where we are by embracing differences and fighting to protect all people that need it whether or not they wear turbans, baseball caps or berets.

I understand that humor is a coping mechanism that is quite effective for the weighty issues that we are faced with, I just prefer it not to be racist simpleton rhetoric.
Robby Offline
#12 Posted: Wed, Feb 12 2003, 9:14 AM EST
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hey there, you may have your facts screwed up. A raciest believes they are superior simply due to their race, i.e., Hitler and the Arians? I believe what you're referring to is bigotry. Can’t we all just get a bomb? Err ah, I mean, get along?
rck_1 Offline
#13 Posted: Wed, Feb 12 2003, 9:19 AM EST
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Cwil, Come on now, Obviously Hog has posted this as he thought it was funny. Jokes are supposed to be funny. Get it? "JOKE" If you didnt think it was funny fire up another stogie and move on!!!!!!! Hog, I thought this was halariuos, keep em coming!!
Charlie Offline
#14 Posted: Wed, Feb 12 2003, 9:42 AM EST
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Chris, I do not view it as racist at all, just a little bit of humor, like Saturday Night Live or some other comedy show!

Speaking of which, saw Letterman the other night and he took a great shot at France! "Last time France wanted proof that they were in trouble, they rumbled through Paris with Swatstikas on the sides of them"!

Charlie
Charlie Offline
#15 Posted: Wed, Feb 12 2003, 9:42 AM EST
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Chris, I do not view it as racist at all, just a little bit of humor, like Saturday Night Live or some other comedy show!

Speaking of which, saw Letterman the other night and he took a great shot at France! "Last time France wanted proof that they were in trouble, they rumbled through Paris with Swatstikas on the sides of them"!

Charlie
CJBully Offline
#16 Posted: Wed, Feb 12 2003, 9:50 AM EST
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Cw,

Watch out for the brothers in the axis of evil here. They are like the snakes in Al-Queda, hiding under rocks and "non bigoted postings".
Robby Offline
#17 Posted: Wed, Feb 12 2003, 10:13 AM EST
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Everyone should check this out. I think it says it all. A little less talk and a lot more action...
http://www.kimmershow.com/video/AC130_Gunship.wmv
Our tax dollars at work! Weeeeee!!!!
Robby Offline
#18 Posted: Wed, Feb 12 2003, 10:45 AM EST
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Stay with it for a few minutes. It starts out slow, and then they unleash the cannons on thos ba$tards!
cwilhelmi Offline
#19 Posted: Wed, Feb 12 2003, 11:14 AM EST
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So Robby, you're happy that those people are dying? Maybe we should go celebrate in the streets and burn the Afghani flag similar to how the Palestinians did after 9/11.

I realize that casualties are an unavoidable fact of war, but we should never celebrate it! Celebrate the results of the war that will make our nation safer, celebrate the freedom we're trying to provide to the Afghani people, and celebrate our heros who serve our country my risking and giving their lives, but never celebrate death.
cwilhelmi Offline
#20 Posted: Wed, Feb 12 2003, 11:15 AM EST
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BY risking not my risking....
jreddoch Offline
#21 Posted: Wed, Feb 12 2003, 11:22 AM EST
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This war may be necessary and unavoidable, but it still makes me sick to think of the lives that will be lost, ours and theirs. It won't be the Saddam Husseins and Osama Bin Ladens who suffer, but the hapless bastards who had no choice. I hope it's over quickly with a minimal loss of life and that it leads to a better world. It seems unlikely though. I'm perfectly happy to have done my time in the service without ever being involved in warfare.
Robby Offline
#22 Posted: Wed, Feb 12 2003, 11:31 AM EST
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I celebrate when a mass murderer is put to death. Justice my friend...

Not judging, that’s up to God. I’m just glad we’re arranging the meeting!

I think it's awesome that those terrorists are getting the business end of an AC130 gunship.
penzt8 Offline
#23 Posted: Wed, Feb 12 2003, 11:35 AM EST
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Personally I think they (we) try to bring way too much civility/sensitivty into this whole business of war. I don't think of this as a racist cartoon. It is directed towards our enemy. And if we can't hurl verbal insults at our enemy then what's the point in having one!


RICKAMAVEN Offline
#24 Posted: Wed, Feb 12 2003, 12:38 PM EST
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Robby

tried the url twice. both times it rebooted my computer.
jdrabinski Offline
#25 Posted: Wed, Feb 12 2003, 12:44 PM EST
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cwil,

You are right, both posts. It makes me sad that 'laundry on their heads' needs to be explained as the racist remark that it is. Thanks for saying it.

And, yes, this is still racist. It makes a mockery of another ethnic group because of their appearance or customs. Sure, it isn't like Hitler and the Nazis, but if that's all that racism is...damn, those guys put the bar pretty high.

This is a racist cartoon. CWil is completely right. End of story. Shouldn't even be a debate.

John
Robby Offline
#26 Posted: Wed, Feb 12 2003, 1:04 PM EST
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interesting... if you have real or some other MP3 player it should work. Gimie your email and I'll send it to you. It's remarkable! It's basically a crew in an AC130 gunship playing what looks like a video game with their cannons and machine guns from about 3 miles up. They have night vision so you can make out "the perps" as they run for cover which is nowhere to be found :-) [email protected]
harleydude Offline
#27 Posted: Wed, Feb 12 2003, 3:41 PM EST
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give me a f---in break ! almost everybody is so damn oversensitive these days !!!! we have all been kicked in our collective nuts by these bastards for so long it's not even funny - especially between 1992 - 2000 .pardon me for laughing at this - it's extremely funny - at least I still have a sense of humor
eleltea Offline
#28 Posted: Wed, Feb 12 2003, 4:22 PM EST
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CW, the world would be a wonderful place if about 3 million muslims (certain to be an underestimate) were one half as sensitive to racial issues as you are.
rookie139 Offline
#29 Posted: Wed, Feb 12 2003, 5:38 PM EST
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Not all Middle Easterns are terrorists, but on 9/11, all the terrorists who were directly involved were Middle Eastern
Jeez C...No wonder you live in another friggin country...I'm not surprised at all
cwilhelmi Offline
#30 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2003, 6:53 AM EST
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Keith - last I heard California was still in the US, although I know most of the US wishes it wasn't.

LLT - Sensitive and cognisent are two different things. Most people are too afraid to speak their mind and call a spade a spade. I think it was racist and the only proof against that has been that I'm too sensitive on race relations and I don't "get" the humor. If it's not racist then prove it!!

This cartoon would never run on TV, newsprint or any other medium? Probably the only place it would get mentioned would be on the Stern show and I'm sure all of the Republicans here love Stern...
usahog Offline
#31 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2003, 7:13 AM EST
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CWil, you need to check the pic post.. there's your proof...

and Cali is in the US for now... hear tell them North Korean's have a Nuke/Missile that can hit the western part of USA... or is that just propaganda coming from folks in CA to try and clean up the streets in San Fran???

LoL
Hog
cwilhelmi Offline
#32 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2003, 7:52 AM EST
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Hog - So is Bush saying that he wants to clean out all of the bikers as well as the arabs? Sorry that's not proof...

I know you're not generally racist, you've proven it time and again, the cartoon however is. This cartoon makes a generalized attack against people who wear "laundry" on their heads, and if you really think that it is attacking anyone other than muslims you're crazy.

I'm a Hunter, Fisherman, Gun Owner, Lover of the USA, Atheist, Independent thinking and voting Coloradoan living in California.
cwilhelmi Offline
#33 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2003, 7:53 AM EST
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On a side note I want to ask a question I already know the answer to; have you ever been happy because you took someone’s life, other than the case that you're happy because it was you or them, and you survived?

No real soldier is happy with the fact they have to kill, but it’s the unavoidable fact of war, people will die. I can’t imagine the Vets who have nightmares years after service are happy about them, their content or what they had to do that causes the nightmares! When Robby says he celebrates the deaths I want to vomit, how disgusting!! My brother is a policeman and he’s had to take someone’s life, he realizes he had to do it, but he’s never happy about it!
Robby Offline
#34 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2003, 8:18 AM EST
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heh, here ya go CW, http://www.vomit.com/
Enjoy!!

Killers should be killed. It's a good thing. Would you have vomited if Adolph had been killed before he took out "millions?" Would you have vomited if the ba$stards who flew those planes into our buildings would have been killed before they got the chance? I would "personally" have pulled the triger and slept very soundly thank you. The fact remains, without people with my views, you wouldn't even be able to express yours. Enjoy your freedom! But remember, it comes at a cost...
cwilhelmi Offline
#35 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2003, 9:10 AM EST
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I said you make me vomit, not killing. I support our use of force, but like I said, no real soldier celebrates the fact that they get/have to kill.
Robby Offline
#36 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2003, 9:27 AM EST
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CW! I'm disappointed in you. I thought with your liberal viewpoints, you'd be more "open-minded". Sorry to hear you're not. Glad to hear you support our pending attack in Iraq! Welcome aboard on that one at least!!
cwilhelmi Offline
#37 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2003, 9:40 AM EST
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As I said - I'm a Hunter, Fisherman, Gun Owner, Lover of the USA, Atheist, INDEPENDENT thinking and voting Coloradoan living in California. This means I'm not a "liberal", try reading...

And don't assume I WANT a war with Iraq, I'll support it if it's our last resort, but I don't want to start a war just because of bravado and oil.
Robby Offline
#38 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2003, 9:43 AM EST
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sounds to me like you may have mpd... =:-o
cwilhelmi Offline
#39 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2003, 9:44 AM EST
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elighten me as to the definition of "mpd"
Robby Offline
#40 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2003, 9:51 AM EST
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http://www.dissociation.com/
:-) =:-o :-/ :*)
cwilhelmi Offline
#41 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2003, 9:52 AM EST
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multiple personality disorder, no I don't. I'm not afraid to be who I am and not afraid to think for myself instead of towing the party line. Try it sometime, you might like it...
cwilhelmi Offline
#42 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2003, 9:53 AM EST
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interesting that you know the link and the acronym though, maybe you're afflicted...
Robby Offline
#43 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2003, 10:01 AM EST
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As I said - I'm a Hunter, Fisherman, Gun Owner, Lover of the USA, Atheist, INDEPENDENT thinking and voting Coloradoan living in California. This means I'm not a "liberal", try reading...

Heh, www.google.com
Isn’t the Internet great?

Put your dukes down! We’re a lot alike. I’m a gun owner, but I don’t hunt. I don’t begrudge anyone their right to though. I can’t even watch a damn show when a lion kills a zebra without turning my head. But I would gladly shoot someone in the face if I found them in my house and they weren’t supposed to be there… Cigar smoker, Independent (as long as they’re GOP candidates), I’d vote Libertarian but I don’t think they can win.

Sounds like the big difference is, I’m all about blowing away terrorists and others are reluctant or “feel bad” about it. I have no reservations. Kill um all and let God sort it out...
cwilhelmi Offline
#44 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2003, 10:30 AM EST
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I've had to wake both my brother and my grandfather up from nightmares where they relive their pasts. My brother for shooting a kid who pulled a gun on him and my grandfather who was in WWII and helped free some of the camps, and in the process shot many germans. Never once were they happy about those parts of their memories, or the nightmares they cause. That's where I'm coming from...
Robby Offline
#45 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2003, 11:37 AM EST
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My Dad just turned 79. He's failing now, but it was strong once. He lied about his age when he was 16 (yes 16) to join the Army to fight in WWII. He has 2 puple hearts. Was on the beach at Anzio, fought in North Africa against Romell. Was a tank commander and had 5 different tanks "destroyed". In several cases, he was the only survivor... I know war is hell, but it's a necessary evil sometimes. If you want to make an omlette, you have to break a few eggs, or in this case heads.
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#46 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2003, 11:49 AM EST
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I agree it's a necessary evil of war, no question about it. The only part I question is celebrating it. I'm sure your father isn't happy he killed people, being happy that his killing saved himself or his buddies is understandable and quite different.
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#47 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2003, 7:36 PM EST
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Cwil, On a side note I want to ask a question I already know the answer to; have you ever been happy because you took someone’s life, other than the case that you're happy because it was you or them, and you survived? If you already know the Answer then Why ask?? Why open wounds you nor anyone can fill??

let me ask you this... have you ever been in a position where you watched a loved one Die at the hands of someone else? or not even a Loved one just a close friend or even a friend of a friend??
Or do you just catch news clips and listen to your Dad and Brother talk about there event's and draw your Conclusions from there Griefs???

I can tell you this... I don't Celebrate Death on anyone's part... But I Do Believe in God and he is a Strong Witness for me to carry on Day in and Day out...
and I Believe he will be there for me in my last Breaths!!!

Hog
cwilhelmi Offline
#48 Posted: Fri, Feb 14 2003, 6:38 AM EST
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That's what I figured Hog, sorry to open the wounds that was not my intent, but I apologize!! I was just horrified at how Robby had been gleeful at watching those people die.

Thankfully, I've never had to take someone's life, or personally witness a friend or family member die. But I have volunteered at a Veteran's hospitals, helped my brother with his grief, and discussed WWII at great lengths with my grandfather, that's what I draw my conclusions on the subject from.

Sorry again!
Robby Offline
#49 Posted: Fri, Feb 14 2003, 6:55 AM EST
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Kill um all and let God sort it out. Ooo Rah! If we don't get tough with those ba$tards, we're going to end up like Israel. How would you like to flip on the news in the eve and hear about "another suicide bomber" taking out themselves and a bus load of innocent people? Would you have compassion for the guy? Would you shed bitter tears if he and his terrorist brethren were "taken care of" in advance? We can hold hands and sing and put flowers in M16 barrels all we want. We can quote poetry and pontificate about humanity, and right and wrong, etc... But the bottom line is, we need Predators overhead taking out certain individuals and groups of individuals BEFORE they have the chance to act. The whole argument of the smoking gun is that (Sam Kinison voice) IT'S SMOKING!! WHY IN THE .... DO YOU THINK IT'S SMOKING? AAA AAAA HAAAAA (Sam Kinnison voice off) Here's a hint, not because it just had a good time with the howitzer across the hall...
usahog Offline
#50 Posted: Fri, Feb 14 2003, 7:23 AM EST
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Cwil,
let me ask you something and then I will comment on my feelings at the time..

on Sept 11th 2001 at 9:20 am how did you feel??

and then again at 11:00 am how did you feel??

and then again later that evening when you were home with your Family Members and Glued to the TV as to see what else was happening?? How did you feel?

and yes I will answer this back also... but what emotions went through your mind and body???

Hog
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