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rck_1 Offline
#51 Posted: Thu, Feb 20 2003, 10:04 AM EST
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Plabonte,
Sounds like you have all the right in the world. Give it to us good if ya want!!!!! If you ever get the chance to go please do, and dont tell them that you have roots there and see what the reaction is!
I think you`ll be surprised!
daveyg2 Offline
#52 Posted: Thu, Feb 20 2003, 10:08 AM EST
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Plabonte,

You do not live in, nor are governed by France. Therefore you are not "French". I am of Italian descent. That does not mean that I am going to stick up for Musolini and am part of organized crime. I choose to do the right thing and admit when my "ancestors" have done wrong. Evidently you are not ready for that yet. I would have fought the Italian fascist regime myself. Just because you are "from" there, doesnt make it right. I am an AMERICAN, not "Italian" or even "Italian American". I do not drive around with a Guinea Badge on the back of my car either. If the Italians have consistantly been a bunch of ungrateful whores with their lives led by their wallet and fear, I would say so and not defend that issue. Hey, it wasnt me who made those decisions.

By the way, who knew what your userID means? Like I know it is your name? It could be anything.

That "reason" they do not want to go to war is probably just as bad as their cowardice. This means that they are not only cowards, but whores as well. Their wallet seems to control what they should do, not right and wrong. While a country has to very mindfull of its economic situation, there is a responsibility to do the right thing and not always be a bunch of whores.

The Statue of Liberty is one of the only things that they have legitimately offered this country. The American Revolution was fought by the Americans as well. I guess we should be forever grateful to the French for "helping" us win the American Revolution about 300 years ago. I guess about 50 years ago is just too long for the French to remember WWII. Oh yeah, I guess about 30 years ago is too long for the "French" mind to remember Vietnam.

Just because your ancestors are actually from France doesnt mean that you should be responsible for defending their prostituted Govt. Like I said, I am not here to insult you. I am stating fact. If you would like to defend their past deeds and /or mistakes, go right ahead. In only that instance, you will be wrong.

daveyg2
rck_1 Offline
#53 Posted: Thu, Feb 20 2003, 10:13 AM EST
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OOOOUUUUUUUCCCHHHHHH!
rck_1 Offline
#54 Posted: Thu, Feb 20 2003, 10:14 AM EST
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Just remember, as B said it best "We are all brothers of the leaf"
plabonte Offline
#55 Posted: Thu, Feb 20 2003, 10:27 AM EST
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Daveyg2 - I don't expect people to know that my username is my name and that it is French. That is why I mentioned it. Although now that I re read my original post I did word it as if you should know. Sorry.

You are also right that I am not French. Although I don't think I claimed to be. I said first and foremost I was American with a French ansestory.

From your post I would gather you are of an Italian descent. Would you take any offense if people on this board said "All Italians are a bunch of fat, pasta eating, mafia wanna-bes and their women are a bunch of hairy apes"? I think you might

If you want to bad mouth the French be my guest. But when you bad mouth EVERY french person, yes that is insulting to me. I was born in the US, my parents were born in the US, my grandparents were born in France. So when people insult "The French" they are insulting my grandparents. And I don't take kindly to that.

The simple fact is if you think that every person in or from a certain county acts a certain way because they are from that country then you are ignorant and an idiot.


daveyg2 Offline
#56 Posted: Thu, Feb 20 2003, 10:47 AM EST
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I think that you maight have some sort of learning disorder and I am sorry for that,

1) I Flat out said that I was of Italian descent
2) You said "With a name like Labonte, yo dont think I have some sort of French ancestory?"

3)I had said multiple times I am talking about the Govt mostly

4) From many people's personal experience including my own, French people do not like Americans. PERIOD.

5) I am actually in pretty good bodily shape.

6)I do not eat pasta as I am on a low carb diet.

7)My father detests organized crime and has led my family away from that lifestyle actively

8)I also dont really know that Italian women are for the most part as hairy as apes.

9)"If you want to bad mouth the French be my guest. But when you bad mouth EVERY french person, yes that is insulting to me." That is a self contradicting statement, maybe you should re-read what you have written.

10) Who said anything about EVERY single person of French descent in the entire world. I am just talking about the ones that actually live and were raised in France.

It is a FACT that the French people as a whole HATE Americans. Not everysongle last one of them, but it is surely the majority, i WILL tell you that. Maybe you should get on a plane and go there. Dont tell them that you are from a "French" background and see how you are treated like a complete piece of sewer ****. You will really love them then.

Then again you can say what you like about the Italians and their Govt, but I can tell you that they have never been traitors to their own allies.

daveyg2


rck_1 Offline
#57 Posted: Thu, Feb 20 2003, 11:21 AM EST
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Hey guys I have an idea. I will send Daveyg, plabonte, and charlie a package of 5 gars of my choosing! If you 3 will do the same for the other 3. When we all have our cigars we can sit back, fire on up, and thank god that we are all americans!!! How bout it guys!!!!!
Robby Offline
#58 Posted: Thu, Feb 20 2003, 11:31 AM EST
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French Roots? MY NAME IS KUNTA KINTAY-vous!
plabonte Offline
#59 Posted: Thu, Feb 20 2003, 12:05 PM EST
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No leanring disability here. (although I will admit I'm a terrible speller). I like how you itemized your points. It makes it easier for me to knock them down. Batter up:

1. You did. My mistake (see I admit when I'm wrong). I read your post but didn't memorize it. I forgot you stated you were Italian descent.

2. I adress this in my last post. I didn't expect you to know my last name that is why I posted it. I acklowledged that the wording was bad.

3. Actually you didn't say this at all at least not in this thread. You've only mentioned gov't once. And the fact that you said mostly means not all the time. And its when you talk about the French in general and not its gov't that I take offense.

4. I don't know your personal experience. I don't even know you. But I don't even feel inclined to be nice to you. My experience with French people has been very positive. And so have many poeple I know.

5. I never said you weren't. Although I find it interesting that you are defending yourself when nothing bad was said about you. Now do you wonder why I am so defensive?

6. See 5 above

7. see 5 above

8. They probably aren't. Some are quite hot actually. But see 5 above anyway.

9. Why is this self contradicting? I'm saying do whatever you want. But just know when you are doing certain things you are insulting me. I only said this because in a previous post you stated you weren't insulting me when in fact you were. (Perhaps you meant you didn't mean to insult me).

10. This point is pretty silly. You didn't stereotype all the French just the ones that live in a particular area. You are still stereotyping.

My point is this. You don't have to agree with the French gov't. You can make jokes about them, and their army, and their people. But just know that when you do may irk someone. I actually thought a lot of the jokes were funny. But I took offense at calling the French whores. If effect you are calling my sweet grandma a whore. Maybe that was not your intent but that is what you did none the less.

Robby Offline
#60 Posted: Thu, Feb 20 2003, 2:18 PM EST
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Granny should remember all we did, her children and grandchildren OBVIOUSLY do not... If I were you, I wouldn't advertise the fact that I have French roots too loudly... Blond roots? yes. French Roots? no way-a-vous. They're ungrateful, self centered, socialist ba$tards. Ahh, I feel better now.
Robby Offline
#61 Posted: Thu, Feb 20 2003, 2:18 PM EST
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Granny should remember all we did, her children and grandchildren OBVIOUSLY do not... If I were you, I wouldn't advertise the fact that I have French roots too loudly... Blond roots? yes. French Roots? no way-a-vous. They're ungrateful, self centered, socialist ba$tards. Ahh, I feel better now.
tailgater Offline
#62 Posted: Thu, Feb 20 2003, 3:45 PM EST
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Looky what France is doing now.
Seems like they're trying to stiff-arm some of the minor European countries to side with them, or else risk being left out of the UN.

The people of France, as a majority, are rude, arrogant, self-serving cowards.
Hope I didn't offend anybody.
Oh, and in case you're wondering, I'm an American who is mostly of Italian desent. Perhaps I should add a vowel to my username: Tailgatero, or tailgateri? Which one sounds more au-natural?
......
daveyg2 Offline
#63 Posted: Thu, Feb 20 2003, 5:29 PM EST
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Plabonte,

Your experience with the French is very limited so please dont think you have actually encountered French people who dont know you. Go there and say you are an American of Irish, English or Italian descent. Prepare to be completely insulted and treated like a piece of ****.

I do not care if you like me or not.

As far as your grandmother goes, if she lives here she evidently doesnt hate America all that much. Go ask some native Frenchmen who actually live there and like France, how much they like America.

You have never been to France. How can you say anything about how the majority of the French populus behaves? You dont know the 1st thing about it.

You can say anything you would like about anyone you want. It doesnt change the fact that France is full of arrogant and powerless fruits who have a permanent case of "beer muscles" and gets their ass kicked everywhere they go.

They are a bunch of whores with no loyalty and I will not budge on that statement. They will do almost anything to please any one they would like to side with. They are compromising integrity for the currency, and that my friend is a bunch of WHORES. You shouldnt take offense if you arent like that. If you are, take it any God Damned way you like. I couldnt give a 1/4 of a **** if you love me or hate me. I do not compromise integrity. That is something that the "French" have to learn. They'll kiss you on the cheek and stab you in the back the next moment.

daveyg2
tandem401 Offline
#64 Posted: Thu, Feb 20 2003, 7:47 PM EST
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Daveyg2,

I've been to Paris a few times including last December. If you need some info on French culture I should be able to provide it.

Paris is a fast paced city and the Parisians are known for their impatience with foreigners. Other French speaking non-Parisians feel the same way about Paris. Have you ever hesitated at a stop light in New York City? You will find a similar reception.

The sad history of France is that they were too militaristic, witness their support of us against Britain, (they really did defeat Cornwallis at Yorktown), or Napoleon, who waged war from Egypt to Moscow.

DeGaulle told Kennedy to stay out of Viet Nam or risk an endless conflict. He was right. Would you care to comment on that in light of the present controversy?

Last June you were looking for some advice on the Lone Wolf cigar but generated only exaggerated criticism that did nothing to help you decide if you should buy them. What have you offered to help the French change their minds?

It's nice to hear from you again Daveyg2. I helped you out with the Lone Wolves. so in anticipation of a favorable reply I'll just repeat what you wrote last June, 2002.


"Thanks Tandem!! I appreciate the help. Dont usually get any here. Just ripped on a lot. Hehe. Thanks for the advise and hope to hear from you again in future posts."


daveyg2 Offline
#65 Posted: Thu, Feb 20 2003, 9:46 PM EST
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Tandem,

Thanks for the info on France. I have been there more times than I have fingers and toes with the Military. I really need no explaination on their behavior.

Napoleon was a Military mastermind, but he died hundreds of years ago and so did their Military.

I appreciate their help during the American Revolution. Do they appreciate our help in every other conflict we helped them in? You speak of wars that are a few hundred years old. We helped them 50 years ago and they are ungrateful bastards. Sorry Tandem, I understand every word out of my own mouth very clearly.

"DeGaulle told Kennedy to stay out of Viet Nam or risk an endless conflict. He was right." Can you tell me how that actually helped us in VietNam? Maybe if they actually helped us fight a war they helped start, we could have had a different outcome.

Parisians and their Govt must share the same views as you can see in their actions. Prostitutes. Plain and simple. Willing to trade moral value for anything else that benefits them. They are actually willing to leave this ScumBag in power, risking a nuclear build up in Iraq and chaos in the middle east because they have a **** oil deal with him and they are scared they will have to pay more for oil elsewhere. That is a bunch of sluts my friend.

I have hesitated at a stop light in NYC. As a matter of fact that is where I work and have worked for the past 5 years. That has absolutely nothing to do with the way people treat eachother in NYC. You never see a person in NYC treat a Frenchman like a complete piece of garbage just because he French. That is routine in France. Period. I have never in my travels there experienced otherwise, plain clothed or in BDU. They insult you right in front of your face in foreign tongue, but never in English (yes they all know English to some extent). This shows the cowardice within. NYC is far more forgiving of foreign backgrounds than Paris or most other French cities. I have never found that in NYC and I am there 280 days a year.

Thanks for the help on the Lone Wolfs. How did you remember that post or have the patience to find it? Good dirt digging. I do not have anything to offer the French to change their minds. They are digging their own grave nicely.

BTW Tandem, I did appreciate your help. I am glad that someone finally gave me an answer I was looking for.

daveyg2

Sonny_LSU Offline
#66 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 4:05 AM EST
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Wow, you guys are really up-in-arms about this. I have to say that the French, as a whole, are somewhat rude when it comes to Americans (I can't speak for the other nationalities). However, do remember that there are some decent people over there. Living in south LA. we are bombarded with French visitors and much of our culture is French based (Nova Scotia not France), so we get the pleasure of meeting many nice individuals who visit. BUT, in France, things are quite a bit different. Some of them act as if American's knuckles drag the ground.....well, I liken it to the bad guy in wrestlin' that always wins! You may not like him, but he's kickin' everybody else's ass. Hee Hee.....BTW I do not normally watch wrestling.
plabonte Offline
#67 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 4:25 AM EST
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DaveyG2 - True I have never been to France (plan on going next year). You say the majority of the people in France are blah blah blah. Has your travel been so extensive that you have met the majority of people in France? Have you been to all its provinces? And with an atitude like yours no wonder they treated you like ****. I've never met you and its everything I can do just to be civil to you in this post.

You know something? The mafia has a lot of Americans in it with Italian heritage. They are into prostitution, illegal gambling, drugs, guns, all kinds of illegal activities. All for the money. They compromise their values for money. What a bunch of whores. I've never met an Italian blood mafia member that wasn't into money. So they are all whores, which must mean all Americans with Italian blood are whores. Same reasoning that you are doing. (note I don't really think this. I'm just saying it to illistrate a point. So nobody on this board send me any dead fish or horse heads)

I'm not going to continue to debate this with you. My point is only that any one people isn't always and every anything. I remember this one guy that use to think that way though. I think his name was Adolf something.
plabonte Offline
#68 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 4:57 AM EST
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By the way have you heard about those Itallian tires?

Dago through mud, dago through snow, when dago flat dago wop wop wop.
Penguin13 Offline
#69 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 5:04 AM EST
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I always knew I was a whore....Me love you long time!

KC
Robby Offline
#70 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 5:31 AM EST
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We're a melting pot. We're all from somewhere ultimately. The fact that your relatives came from somewhere shouldn't justify unacceptable behavior. If you're German, it doesn't justify Hitler, if you're Russian, it doesn't justify the long line of tyrannical rulers they've had. I'm Irish by lineage, I'm sure they've done some bad things too. I'm proud to be Irish, but if Ireland were acting like France, I sure as hell wouldn't be supporting their position. Disgraceful.
Sonny_LSU Offline
#71 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 5:36 AM EST
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Yea, what Robby said.......BTW I'm of Irish lineage also, Robby: Main family name was Kelso.

(+ some native American)

Would that make me a big-redheaded, alcoholic, savage????? OOPS! I am. j/k
sammydaddy Offline
#72 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 6:12 AM EST
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plabonte,
I didn't want to get involved with all of this but now I feel compelled too. You cannot possibly deny that had it not been for the USA in WW2 they would be speaking German in Paris today. Friends do not stab other friends in the back, especially after the kind of committment (both finacially and in human life) the US made to France. No matter what the political mood allies should always stand together or declare an end to the allience. France has done neither. The US is not asking France to become involved to any great extent, we are just looking for their support. They are not willing to capitulate in any way. That is most unfortunate. We are going to take care of business in Iraq no matter what is said about it, it the right thing to do and it is necessary. My feeling is that we are the United States of America, we have paid our dues and we don't need permission to take care of our own business. This view is not shared by all of our leaders, that is unfortunate but it is this ability to differ that makes our country great.
I am an American of Italian decent. I am proud of my heritage. I must tell you that I am totally pissed at France for it elitest attitude toward world politics and its inability to look beyond it own pointy nose. Whatever Musilini, the mafia or any of the other stereotypes of Italians represent they have always been known for their sense of justice and an unwavering loyalty once a relationship has been developed. Can't say the same for France.
Now I will revert to the venecular. An Italian would never send a horses head (or ass) to a Frenchman, they wouldn't understand and would probably try to skull (or ass) f**k it.
Sam
Charlie Offline
#73 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 6:41 AM EST
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Sam

Great post! Agree with you in full and wish the French would just support us in name only, because we do not need them on the battlefield!

I am like most Americans in that I believe War is our last option, but if needed..........get on with it and end it quickly!

Charlie
plabonte Offline
#74 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 7:25 AM EST
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My objection has been mostly to the slandering of "The French" which happens quite a lot on this board.

As far as the gov't and their policies go I really don't know. I don't follow it that closely. Now let me ask this (because I genuinely don't know). What I've heard is NOT that the French won't support the US military action in Iraq. What I've heard is that they don't support military action at this time. Only to use it as a last resort.

Have they turned their back on us ir stabbed us in the back? I don't think so. Has the US given undeniable proof that military action needs to be taken? I don't think so. If we had would they support us? I don't know.

I've seen MANY posts slandering the French. Even before this conflict with Iraq. My original post asked a simple question. France is not the only country that is not supporting the US at this time. Why is it only France then that is being picked apart here. The answer I got was to attack the people of France who ALL act one way. THAT I think is wrong. That is what gets me riled.

I made a couple of comments about Itallians. Look at how many people got defensive. Now think how upset you might be if someone posted anti-Itallian comments every week.
Robby Offline
#75 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 7:39 AM EST
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plabonte, the French sold the nuclear reactor to Iraq in the 80's that the Israelis had to bomb to prevent Iraq's development of atomic weapons... (Thank you France). Today, they have multi-billion dollar deals with Sadam for Oil and general trade. I'll be willing to bet you a cigar that when we invade (yes we're going in), we'll find several banned components, supplies, etc... that Sadam is using to build his W.O.M.D. France is like a teenager trying to hide playboys under the bed. They don't want to get caught read handed... It's very obvious to me.
plabonte Offline
#76 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 7:44 AM EST
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Check out this link if you think France is the only Country to give Iraq military assistance.

http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/03/119547.php
daveyg2 Offline
#77 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 8:01 AM EST
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Plabonte,

Talking to you is like talking to a pile of rocks, so I will say that I am finished responding to you. You do not know my attitude toward anyone who I do not think is an ****, so do not comment on that.

Its evident that plabonte suffers the same memory loss of his French ancestors.

The reason why I laugh when you keep comparing the "Italians" to this whole situation, is because 99% of Italians factully have nothing to do with the mafia or organized crime. 99% of the French do not like the US specifically and are useless on the battlefield (except to draw concentrated fire). French as a whole hate the United States. Italians as a whole hae nothing to do with the 1% you keep speaking of. It is not 1% of French people that hate us, its probably more like 60-75%. that is why your point is so funny, because it makes absolutely no **** sense.

You do not support the same views as 90% of us here at the forum when it comes to this issue, and that is OK. That is why I have put my ass on the line for this country many a time. The ability to be able to do that is because we do not act like the French, do not politicise like the French and sure as **** do not fight like the French. If we did, our grandparents would have been incinerated in an oven, so HAVE SOME **** RESPECT FOR THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE ALLOWED YOU TO LIVE. You can thank my grandfather for allowing your grandfather to live. He fought IN France. You know what the French said after France was liberated? "Take your dead and leave.". Some **** allies, huh? Plabonte, if I ever get to that point I would just kill myself, I wouldnt need a German Military to do it for me. Im done with this post and have a lot more important things to do than constantly fight about how the French are terrible allies. Than is like trying to fight with someone and tell them the grass is green when they are colorblind.

I have in no way tried to offend the French people for anything they have not done as a majority. Of course there are the group that detests that behavior, but as a majority, that is how they are. Is that how the majority of Italians really are? They are mostly involved in the mafia? They mostly are not. Can you say the same for the French and their "atttude" toward the US? You would be a fool to try (as we have seen). What leg do you have to stand on plabonte?

daveyg2
daveyg2 Offline
#78 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 8:03 AM EST
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plabonte is right, we shouldnt dislike every single Frenchman, just 75% of them. Thanks plabonte.

daveyg2
daveyg2 Offline
#79 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 8:07 AM EST
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BTW, your publication there seems a little less than credible. Please find me a major publication with information that actually counts.
Robby Offline
#80 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 8:10 AM EST
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All I can say is, I'd hate to be in the French embassy when the bombs start falling... WHOPPS! DAMN!! THAT'S GONNA LEAVE A MARK! looks like that one got away from us. Whoops, and that one, darn I'm gonna need new glasses!
daveyg2 Offline
#81 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 8:12 AM EST
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Oh yeah (sorry for the 17 posts), if we provided undeniable proof, we would have no intellgence sources left. Why do morons not understand that intelligence comes from people. If those people are compromised, they are dead. Along with those people being dead, our intelligence sources go with them. I am not going to go on except to say that it takes a long long time to establish reliable assets in the intelligence field. To satisfy the minds of the simple, its is not worth sactificing them.

daveyg2
plabonte Offline
#82 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 8:16 AM EST
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Look it up yourself. You will find all the info you need. I'm not wasting any more of my time or breath.
Robby Offline
#83 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 8:21 AM EST
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yeah, kinda tiring isn't it? Defending the indefensible? I read the article, I don't understand your point. We were arch enemies with Japan 60 years ago, today, they're a close ally. What is your point? That actions taken by us in the 80s justify the current actions taken by France? I'm not sure I would agree with it, IF that were what you're trying to say.
Charlie Offline
#84 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 8:51 AM EST
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About the Nuclear Reactor that France built in Iraq, the Israeli astronaut that died in Challenger was one of the pilots that bombed that thing!

Our Allies the French--only when it is convienent to them to be our Allies!

Charlie
tailgater Offline
#85 Posted: Fri, Feb 21 2003, 2:35 PM EST
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I couldn't make this one up if I wanted to:

French President Jacques Chirac: "As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure."


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