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Samuel Thompson wrote:

I don't believe in Santa Claus, but I'm not going to sue somebody for singing a Ho-Ho-Ho song in December.

I don't agree with Darwin, but I didn't go out and hire a lawyer when my high school teacher taught his theory of evolution.

Life, liberty or your pursuit of happiness will not be endangered because someone says a 30-second prayer before a football game. So what's the big deal? It's not like somebody is up there reading the entire book of Acts.

They're just talking to a God they believe in and asking him to grant safety to the players on the field and the fans going home from the game. "But it's a Christian prayer," some will argue. Yes, and this is the United States of America, a country founded on Christian principles.

And we are in the Bible Belt. According to our very own phone book, Christian churches outnumber all others better than 200-to-1. So what would you expect-somebody chanting Hare Krishna?

If I went to a football game in Jerusalem, I would expect to hear a Jewish prayer.

If I went to a soccer game in Baghdad, I would expect to hear a Muslim prayer.

If I went to a ping pong match in China, I would expect to hear someone pray to Buddha.

And I wouldn't be offended. It wouldn't bother me one bit. When in Rome...

"But what about the atheists?" is another argument. What about them? Nobody is asking them to be baptized. We're not going to pass the collection plate.

Just humor us for 30 seconds. If that's asking too much, bring a Walkman or a pair of ear plugs. Go to the bathroom. Visit the concession stand. Call your lawyer. Unfortunately, one or two will make that call.

One or two will tell thousands what they can and cannot do. I don't think a short prayer at a football game is going to shake the world's foundations.

Christians are just sick and tired of turning the other cheek while our courts strip us of all our rights.

Our parents and grandparents taught us to pray before eating, to pray before we go to sleep. Our Bible tells us just to pray without ceasing.

Now a handful of people and their lawyers are telling us to cease praying. "GOD, HELP US". And if that last sentence offends you, well..........just sue me.

The silent majority has been silent too long. It's time we let that one or two who scream loud enough to be heard, that the vast majority don't care what they want. It is time the majority rules!

It's time we tell them, you don't have to pray, you don't have to say the pledge of allegiance, you don't have to believe in God or attend services that honor Him. That is your right, and we will honor your right.

But by golly you are no longer going to take our rights away...we are fighting back...and we WILL WIN! After all, the God you have the right to denounce is on our side!

God bless us one and all, especially those who denounce Him...

God bless America, despite all her faults.. still the greatest nation of all.....

God bless our service men who are fighting to protect our right to pray and worship God...

May 2003 be the year the silent majority is heard and we put God back as the foundation of our families and institutions.

Keep looking up......In God WE Trust




I didnt write it, I just like it.... :>)

Mag

Where is this seperation you speak of? It's not in the Constitution, Bill of Rights, or Declaration of Independence.

It is noted in the "Federalist Papers", but those are not laws.

Exactly.

The founding fathers had a solid base in religion. For many it was the reason they came here, but they didn't want a "state sponsored" religion like England had. Reading into more than what is there is something agnostic and athesits have fits over.

That why this so-called separation is a crock!

There is no separation! You can be whatever you want. Look at your money...go on...what does it say?

I'm already aware of the subject.

That's why I posed the question. Anyone that says the US has this so-called separation doesn't know what they're talking about. It's not law. Only principal.

This could get ugly.

I don't think lack of faith is a problem at all, I'm quite happy without it and I live a good life. Hence the reasoning for freedom of religion, or no religion as the case may be...

Chris. I am not referring to agnostics or atheists as having lack of faith. I'm referring to those that live for themselves and no one else. Have no regard or thought of consequence.

People who recognize themselves as being Agnostics and Atheists still have faith in life and in themselves. Both beliefs result in caring, concerned, loving people even though they chose not to believe in a supreme being or entity. What difference does it make. They just shouldn't try to sell it to those that believe, that they are fools for believing in a supreme being. (and vice versa).

Gotcha Rayder, I agree completely!!

cooksta,

Thats the best explanation I have heard in a long long time... Hat's Off to ya!!!!

Spiney and I have argued (which put me in a lower catagory than I should have been) because I don't have cradentials (sp) for what I know and believe in I just know it's there!!!! but yet any man who doesn't believe can give you a million reasons as to why it isn't there!!!! in the end all will be judged and at that time man or woman will face their own choices!!!!

Hog

i finally read samuel thompson's litany.

i am sick and tired of "christian" demands.

line by line.

santa claus, what the hell is that suing or not all about. just plain stupid example.

"i don't agree with darwin" so what. when your high school teacher taught the theory of evolution
your religious conviction that the world was created in 6, 24 hour days with every animal or plant already as they are today is has no basis in fact. i can't even discuss this idiotic idea.

life and liberty will not be endangered etc. what's the big deal. how long will it take if you get your
way before reading the book of acts before a sporting event, is a requirement. if you have the need or wish to pray, do it in your damn car. you don't want a prayer, you want YOUR PRAYER. how about a 30 second broche instead? i thought not.

this country is not a christian country, excuse me it wasn't until you sort of elected the moron in the
white house. you love him because of his views on religion, or what he says are his views, regardless of the lies he told to get us in a war. he has been born again and repented his past. so did that lady he executed in texas and instead of showing "christian values" and giving her a break he made fun of her. i don't give one sh*t whether you believe it or not, it's a fact. he showed the class clown that he is.

you have an alarming amount of christian churches compared to other houses of worship of other
religions. good for you. the building does not make the religion, it just provides a place where you
can get together with others who believe as you do.

if i went to a football game in a number of places around the world you would expect a prayer in
the major religion of that area and you wouldn't be offended. the hell you wouldn't. you would be
wanting to convert the heathen as "chrisianity" has always done.

just humor us your a$$, you are interrupting my time. pray before you get in the stadium. why do you feel the right to bother other people. is it a requirement of prayer that it be done out loud or with your head bowed with a bunch of other people.

a short prayer will not shake the foundations. no, but it is a start and i don't want my foundation
shaken.

christians are sick and tired of turning the other cheek. gosh i thought that was an integral part of
your faith. . the courts, which will be changing if bush gets reelected, and will soon restore all your
"rights" and we can all walk around in high button shoes with those cute buckles and have good old fashoned witch burnings after basketball season and before football season begins for those of us not interested in baseball.

listen to your parents and grandparents and pray without ceasing. did they tell you to pray in
someone else's face. i'll bet they had more class then you do and did their praying in the privacy
of their homes and churches.

in god we trust, god bless you, god help me, are colloquialisms to those of us who don't feel the
need to get born more then once.

majority rules provided the minority is not put upon. the country is about protecting the minority.
did you forget that in your zeal?

did jesus actually say spread the word or was it paul. regardless i don't think either envisioned
the death and destruction that would be brought upon the non-believers by that simple phrase.


why don't all you "christians" quit your bitching and stop trying to control the rest of the world.

a christian is one who believes that jesus christ was the son of god and was the messiah.

some people don't believe that

The last 2 posts were from somebody that needs to get laid, have a cigar and RELAX!

Rick, if you're this pious "free-thinker" then why the constant need to bash ANY organized religion? Could it be that "free-thinking" has nothing to "think" about and has an overwhelming need to bleat that nugget to anyone that happens to trip over them!

Rick, I quote:

"i would consider it an honor and a privilege to have any and all responses from you pointed at me. (threats of violence excepted)"

I want to clear this up once and for all. If you are going to keep bringing up now and then the thread where I said "I'd run your A$$ over, if you were crossing the street." Then you are one sensitive dude.

Do you really think that I would do that, or that I was just blowing off some steam? Use your freakin head for once and drop it. I have never said I would kick your ass or start a real fight with you. GET IT!!

I thought on an e-mail from me when I apologized to you that it was over. I said to you "sorry", then said that we were "brothers of the leaf". Then you said "dont forget brothers fight sometimes too". Does thar ring a bell?

Well it looks like you have changed your mind. Whatever....

Mag

Only with you jackass, only with you....

Mag

Your like a little sensitve spoiled girl aren't you. No need for the language missy, it always gets your threads yanked.

DrMaddVibe

ANY? where did you arrive at ANY? i don't remember "bashing" any other religion.

the use of pious and "free thinkers" are contradictions in terms. i certainaly am not pious.

wow, mr mean is really mean to you.

Rick

OK I'll except that. Sorry if I took it wrong.

Now meanie, I'll say whatever fits the bill. Jackass fits you perfectly.

The last 2 times we fueded, the threads were yanked after your responces, not mine. Get you facts strait, loser.

I tried to find a voodoo doll to take care of your a$$, but there werent any ugly bald ones with no balls, so you lucked out!..... Hehehe!....:>O

Mag

Mag - Don't you think it could be time to let it go?

yawn....

Rick,
Your self righteous post shows your true colors.

If ANY OTHER GROUP of people were berated by someone like you have insulted the Christians, then you would be the first in line to cry foul.

You may be old, but you've not been alive long enough to witness a war staged on Christians killing the "heathens". Don't live in the distant past merely to make a point.

Why such disdain for a loving, caring religion? Look at all the GOOD things Christian groups have done.
In fact, you know as well as I do that more charitable groups are formed in America in the name of Christianity than there are formed by all other religions combined (including athiests and agnostics)

Although most major religions have values similar to Christianity, it is indeed true that this particular country was founded by folks who used Christian Values as a template. And Christians are still the majority.

So, although I don't want the government to force ANY religion on us, I also am sick and tired of Non-Christians being somehow OFFENDED by Christian traditions.

You're a well respected member of this board, but your hypocracy is ugly.

I think Rick is Jewish based on some previous posts. I could be wrong and don't say that with any distain. There has been long standing tension between Christians and Jews. Some evidence that the Pope turned a blind eye to what the Germans did. But America (USA) is the single largest and strongest supporter of Israel. Without us, they would not exist...

What if your favorite color was blue. If everything was blue, would blue still be your favorite color?

tailgater

i believe you meant staged BY the christians. you are correct, i have not.

when did i become a hypocrite. i have tried to maintain a nasty attitude to most everything. cigar information excepted.

i have nothing against the religion except its proselytizing. that is part and parcel of this need to pray in public arenas.

i find no fault at all with the religion itself or any other religion that eliminates or abates the fear of dying that is inherent in man's psyche.

my new daughter-in-law, a recent born again convert, talked to me about ross not having any interst in an afterlife. she said she married ross for all eternity but doesn't understand what will happen after they die. (she's 24) she believes in an afterlife and ross does not even think about it.

i told her when you both die, one of you will have a big surprise

usahog

super fantastic response. rick

Of course there's tension.
The Jews killed Christ...



Well, actually it was Rome, but only after the insistence of the Jews.


And before anybody gets their yarmulke in a wad, I'm just kidding...