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This was drawn by a twelve year old. I think the sketch speaks for itself...Todd

That kid is a great little artist! God Bless America.
Charlie

^^^

lets not forget

Geez...I had forgotten all about this post.

Todd

^ Amen

Great drawing.

It kind of looks like the Statue of Liberty is giving the finger...

How can I??? Every day when I see the NYC skyline, there's something missing... :o(

Low

thats awesome

#16 Yet another inane comment from the right. Some of the GOP wants us out, too. Along with plenty of independents, Iraqis, and other folks with brains.

I swear, you could post a pic of Mother Teresa saving someone here and some clown would spin it into an ad for the GOP.

"Are you sitting on your brains?" Thank you for that bit of Monday irony.

Who's in charge while we are dumping billions into an invasion of another country on grounds that turned out to be totally bogus?

Who was in charge when a Dubai company wanted to run major ports?

Who wants to give millions of illegal aliens the right to stay in the U.S., with some of them sucking up resources and dollars in benefits?

Who wants to let trucks in from Mexico, thereby imposing a burden on customs and our roads and users of the roads?

Who has tightened an embargo and travel on a small island nation famous for its cigars while continuing to permit Most Favored Nation trading status on the largest communist nation on the planet?

Who keeps giving billions of dollars to countries run by dictators?

Who continues to sign spending bills with billions in pork barrel spending?

Who continues to allow our national budget to run a deficit every year, despite inheriting a budget surplus?

In other words...who the F is giving away the U.S.? And how does calling back troops from a foreign land we had no business invading, to save the lives of hundreds or thousands of U.S. troops and civilians qualify as giving away the U.S.?

And who is sitting on his brains? Or was that something you just automatically spew forth, without any introspection or reasoning, like the comment in #16?

"I'm tired of people like you wanting to roll over when someone attacks."

I've been saying for six years that we should have pursued bin Laden at all costs, rallied the world behind us, and focused our efforts on the people who actually attacked us. If we had been attacked by Canada, would you advocate invading Mexico?

Balls..brains. Make up your mind, dude. All we've done by attacking the wrong people is alienate most of the world against us and squandered lives and resources. If advocating that we attack those who attacked us means that, in your view, I like one or the other (or apparently, both), then save your breath. I can't follow whatever kind of idiotic logic you are trying to employee.

Sure explains what sort of people gave Dubbya another four years, however. Jesus, maybe before the next election we implement a law that you have to be able to tie your own shoes before you step into the booth and make a decision that will affect the way the country is run.

BTW, I'm not sure what "nucking" someone means, but I'm sure it's a brilliant and manly ideal, since you espouse it. Nice to see you got in on the sale on exclamation marks, too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dude. Lets get out of there and see what happens. You are an intellectual wonder. Why was Iraq the wrong place. I do agree Georgie went in too soon. But in your infinite knowledge can you please tell me how many more Americans needed to die on our soil? Can you really deny that Iraq was not funding the strikes? No, and I know that it has not been proven that they were. There are other factors involved other than Bush being a war monger. Reasons even your emince brain can not imagine. Short of the GOP making a war for oil, seems to me your concern is financial. I believe the concern now is to protect our self and our way of life. The Mexican trucks being allowed to cross our borders should stop. But, who will stop it. Do you think Democrats will? No. GOP will not either. TOO much money involved for either party to stop it. I live in a state that has been taken over by the Mexican workers. I'm an IBEW member and in my trade, in a right to work state we hold maybe .5% of the market.
As far as giving countries favored statues tell me if it matters if it was a Democrat or GOP President that would have changed things. No it would not.
It does not matter what party holds office they will sell us out. You, me and everyone else as long as they make a buck.
It all comes back to money. If we leave from over there then you can count on being hit here severely, and what would that do to the economy? Thank you for being such an intellect and God bless.

#24 Well said. See my comments re Canada and Mexico.

"Lets get out of there and see what happens."

This is the basic fallacy of the argument for staying now. Those of us who opposed the invasion in the first place are now being tasked with solving the mess created against our will. Mrs. Pacman will back me if asked...when Colin Powell went before the UN and offered the bogus "evidence" I was barking at the TV about what a load of crap it was, and calling him a whore for selling the party line when he knew it was crap. He's a very intelligent man who used to have my respect...he lost that when he took the Dubbya sales pitch to the UN (and no, I don't think he would care about what I think, I'm still just utterly dismayed that he didn't call it what it was and resign, rather than go peddle that garbage).

"Can you really deny that Iraq was not funding the strikes?" I not only deny it, I challenge you, as a proponent, to back the claim. I have yet to see proof. The 9/11 commission reached the same conclusion, as I recall (you can download and read their report, which is available online).

"There are other factors involved other than Bush being a war monger. Reasons even your emince brain can not imagine." Enlighten me, Obi-Wan.

"The Mexican trucks being allowed to cross our borders should stop. But, who will stop it. Do you think Democrats will? No. GOP will not either." Great, so then we both agree both parties are a bunch of ineffectual nitwits.

"If we leave from over there then you can count on being hit here severely, and what would that do to the economy?" Right, we're fighting them there so we don't have to fight them here. And if you're not with us, you're against us. And every rose has its thorn, and every cowboy sings a sad, sad song. And love is like oxygen, you get too much you get too high.

Spouting sound bites from an administration that can't support them with proof does not make one credible. Iraq had no present plans to attack the U.S. that anyone has demonstrated. The WMD's which were supposed to prove that haven't been unearthed, and even Dubbya finally admitted that. All he has done is increase animosity towards the U.S. and increase recruiting for terrorist groups.

I've been saying this since the invasion of Iraq was contemplated...we can't stomp out terrorism completely. However, we could have made huge strides towards reducing it when we had the sympathy of most of the world after 9/11. Dubbya could have taken that support and goodwill, and said, "we know Al-Quaeda and bin Laden were behind this. They've admitted it, and we have a pretty good idea where they are. Please help us stamp out this horrible problem which we all share and let's go get the bastids."

He could have taken that horrible event and turned it in favor of the U.S., banded together with our allies, made more allies, and together we could have gone there and snuffed enough of them to really make a difference. Moreover, I believe the prevailing world sentiment would have then been to keep an eye out for them and for one another and work together in cooperation to stop further attacks. We'll never know now, but we know what Dubbya tried sure as Hell didn't work. Some victims in London and Madrid could vouch for that fact, too.

For a "uniter, not a divider", he has united alright...united most of the world against us. His had been one of the most divisive administrations in this country's history.

The clock is still ticking. Please provide some proof that Australia did not help to fund the 9/11 attacks. Because if you can't prove that they didn't, an attack must be launched immediately, so that we don't have to fight them over here.

Or do you want your kids to grow up eating Vegemmite and drinking Fosters, calling you "mate"? I'm sure you do, you liberal pantywaist. I bet you would personally hand over the White House to those Aussie cretins, because you have no balls.

Support our troops! Attack Australia now!!!!

No - I am asking where your balls are, sir. Prove to me that Australia wasn't funding the 9/11 attacks, because if you can't, we need to act now. Do you want Americans to die on American soil as bombs rain down on us from down under? Where is your honor, your sense of patriotism?

I think the real reason that your posts make no sense is that you are an Australian who is directly involved in their plans to launch a devastating attack on our homeland. I can almost hear you screaming "Crikey! Death to America, mate!"

The clock is still ticking. Where is the evidence that Australia wasn't funding the 9/11 attacks. And where is the irrefutable proof that Australia doesn't have WMDs that they are planning to use on us?

Until you can prove these two negatives, I would say that you are demonstrating a nearly treasonous disregard for the safety of your fellow Americans. Disgusting.

Yawn!

What may have been originally a war of choice is now a war of necessity. So we must stop all this destabilizing talk about withdrawal. To withdraw to some timetable divorced from reality on the ground would grant militant Islam a huge victory, and Arabs who want to democratize and modernize would know they could not count on America to stand by its friends. Whatever the cost of our staying may be, the cost of retreat would be much higher. It would hardly persuade Zarqawi and his fellow terrorists to stop pursuing Americans around the globe. For those who think it was a big mistake to go in, it would be a bigger mistake to quit now.

Indeed, a withdrawal would be presented across the Arab world as a defeat of the American infidels by the jihadists who would inflate the glory of victory and attract many new followers. It would also undermine our strategy of hitting terrorists hard abroad, while loyal allies and new friends around the world would find themselves leaderless in the global struggle against Islamist radicalism. A loss of nerve and a humiliating retreat would seriously undermine America’s role in the world. Indeed, what a foolish time to talk of getting out, just when we are getting our act together with the accelerated and improved training of Iraqi troops, and just before an election when Shiites and Sunnis are working to form the sort of institutions required to build a nation and quell the low-level civil war. After all, the insurgency is not destined to succeed. They are not fighting for a clear ideology; they lack any great power backing; they lack a positive agenda; they lack a charismatic leader; they have no territory of their own; they lack the support of the Shiites and the Kurds, as well as a significant portion of the Sunni population.

When America has prevailed in foreign ventures, it has been in the places where it stayed–in places like Bosnia, Kosovo, East Timor, Afghanistan, never mind Germany, Japan, and South Korea; in the places where America left too soon–Haiti, Somalia, and Vietnam–the results speak for themselves.

I hope thhis can clear up my view. Can't we all just get along.

ya ruined it, goathead. when you said "yawn" you were makin' a heck of a lot more sense. but now......not so much.

I agree with Lowman in post 34. A great tribute ruined starting with post 16. This was a special tribute to those that were lost on that terrible day. It was actually posted ten days after that fateful day, long before we went into Afghan or Iraq.
Please let this tribute do what it was meant to and take your aggression out elsewhere.
Diver

Not wrong in your beliefs...just chose the wrong place to state them.

On a different thread there would have been no problems from me.

Todd

I look forward to agreeing/disagreeing with them in the future

Todd

Never Forget!

Nothing healing about this thread. Picture is OK.

Great picture for so many reasons

7 years thursday. My wife flys home thursday. Somber thoughts when we seen that she is flying on 9/11 we thought of the poor people that thought they were just going to work and went to work in the towers and the people who thought "just another plane ride" getting on the plane. Sad day indeed. & years later, have we learned from it? Are we making ourselves, our communities or a country better from what we leared? I do not know. I think we should try to do something good to honor the innocent that died because of some peoples bad.