Tailgator, I totally understand where you're coming from. The disease is a total bitch, it's insidious and cruel. The other problem with the disease, is called DENIAL. You and I both know that you can do the same thing over and over again and get the same results right? Well, addicts are so much in denial about their illness, they're blind to it, they will literally steal from their mother or take their son's piggybank money for drugs or alcohol without so much as a tear. Do I think that's right or OK?, **** no. But I do understand it's the illness that makes them do it. I have known people in my life that I totally gave up on. I wouldn't have thought for one minute these people could get help but they did. God intervened in their lives (after their admittance of hopelessness), and after losing everything they had. They were loved back to health by the fellowship of AA and other great programs. There are many, many actors, famous people who went down that road many, many times. With help, they have become some of our nations most competent resourses. Would I have wanted to give up on some of my dearest friends because of drugs or alcohol. Yes, I have. I let them go and then prayed that they find recovery. Some get it some don't. It's a thousand to one chance, but it can happen, to Daryll Strawberry or anyone else for that matter.....Brent