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And the beat goes on...SH son's are dead and that's a good thing but more and more Americans die everyday and that's a bad thing. X :(

Usahog,you be a true Soldier. While I may not agree with yor political views. I can't argue with that one. May God keep you and all our Soldiers safe. X

I don't think anyone here are nazi's, Lots of brothers of the leaf with differing political ideals. Though the idea of a preemptive strike, on shaky intelligence, I had an idea, at that time some of the "intellegence" was fabricated, and the demonizing of anyone who didn't agree with GWB, is very much a facist stance. There still hasn't been an Iraq AlQuaida connection established, so that arguement, is pure propaganda. The Yellowcake debacle, pure propaganda, the demonizing of opposition voices, pure propaganda. At the time, the idea of going into Iraq, and taking it over, as the 51st state smacked of facist imperialism, still does to some degree.
That said, I do believe that Saddam needed to be removed. Just think that the threats, to our country, and our allies, was overstated, so Bush could get his war. I still believe that we need to bring the U.N. into the rebuilding phase, and the building of the new government in Iraq. Why, you ask??? If we appear to be the conquerers, to the Iraqi people, and not the liberators, the attacks on our servicemen and women, will continue, and increase, as well as recruitment incentives into the various terrorist organizations. But other than that.
The USA is the greatest country to live in, in the world. I just think we need to work with the international community to solve our problems abroad. Let our diplomats do their job, and yes, improve our intelligence.
Just my .02
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
P.S. I had quit posting political stuff, 5-6 months ago, because of this thread. Thanks for reopening the door usahog.
God Bless our troops.

hmmm,
Still no connection between Iraq, and terrorist organizations. A terrorrist leader, being killed, in Iraq, possibly by Iraqis themselves, does not implicate Iraq, rather the opposite. Looks like grasping at straws.
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
P.S. Like before, I still work weekends, and will not be posting again until late sunday night or monday

Also, in re-reading this post...you REALLY believe that WE were being "imperialistic"? They way I saw it, was the rest of the free world stepping up and protecting a small but rich country from the military occupation of Iraq. Do remember that HE invaded Kuwait. We liberated Kuwait. There won't be any re-writing of history there!

BREW! NO Connection?!! What "exactly" do you think that plane in the middle of the desert in their country is doing there? A tourist attraction?

Here's a different point of view from a vet with time in the sand. America has and should continue to spread misinformation about the entire war and many of the ties so we may pursue those that must be caught. If we keep wanting the truth to be published and broadcasted it will only fall into the hands of the enemy. We should not use the media to tell our true intentions so the rest of the world can forecast our strategy. I say have a little more faith in the old US and trust that there is a reason we do what we do. Every American wants to feel as if their cause is a just one but never should we lay out our plans and intelligence. One thing the military taught me is that we have very intelligent people in these positions and many of the controversy is intentional and much of it is a political stab at the other party. I say we confuse the **** out of the enemy with misinformation, media frenzy, keep people emotionaly involved to cloud judgement, and let them doubt us while we pound the **** out of them.

Very True Cooksta!!!!

and Robbie.. what you posted.. also

send em to their Virgins!!!!

Hog