Hit enter before I meant to. I understand that most cigar manufacturers actually have two "seconds." The first is a second that is truly that. It started out to be the name brand cigar but something happened during the manufacturing process that was detected by quality control as unacceptable, therefore it did not meet the standards for their first line cigars. The second "second" is actually designed to be that way from the beginning. This is a cigar rolled by a novice cigar roller from tobacco that is substandard to the tobacco in their first line product. The first second I mentioned is a good deal. The second one is not, as it was designed to be substandard. Hope this may help some...........