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Tobasco Offline
#1 Posted: Wed, Aug 6 2003, 9:59 PM EST
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Consuegra

Have any of you smoked these stogies? I received one from robby on a trade, and Chris(Cwilhelmi) gave me one.

I'm not sure what size they were, but one was bigger than a churchill, and the other may have been a churchill.

These two smokes were excellent! After smoking the second one tonight, I knew it wasnt a fluke.

So I went to a competing site and bought a bundle. Have any of you tried these? I recommend them. Good flavor, real nice draw, lots of creamy smoke, burned pretty even. Priced right!

Only thing was it wouldnt hold much more than 1/2 inch of ash. But it didnt matter, it was real good... :>)

Mag

plabonte Offline
#2 Posted: Thu, Aug 7 2003, 4:10 AM EST
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I tried some and they just weren't for me. But a lot of people really like these as an inexpensive cigar. If you send me your snailer Magnafied you are welcome to them. audpaul at co dot washington dot wi dot us
Robby Offline
#3 Posted: Thu, Aug 7 2003, 4:55 AM EST
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Slim RAVES about them!
SteveS Offline
#4 Posted: Thu, Aug 7 2003, 5:28 AM EST
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Connies are a frequently maligned cigar, but they're actually not a bad smoke ... for what they are.

These are made by Villazon and are seconds from their various lines ... consequently, all Connies are not created equal ... while all cigars vary somewhat from one size to another, Connies more than any other I've tried cannot be judged for good or bad by sampling only one size ... they require experimentation to learn which you like and which you don't ...

The "bigger than a churchill" cigar you mention is most likely a #14 ... a #14 maduro was, coincidentally, the first Connie that I ever tried too ... I'd not expected much and was pleasantly surprised, kept a few in the small everydaydor and put the rest into the large agethemforawhiledor ... and forgot about them ... literally.

It was about 9 months before I got around to them again and I was blown away by the plume that had developed on them ... the appearance and the taste evoked what I'd call "hint of sugared doughnut" ... man, those were tasty ... and they're large enough to be a 4 or 5 inning cigar when I go to watch my sons play ball ...

I did find, though, that I don't care much for the robusto size ... toro or double corona (it's # is on the tip of my typing finger, but not quite coming to mind ... don't you just HATE it when that happens?) is also a pretty damn good smoke and one I have a couple of bundles aging ... I've got some robustos hanging around too ... I'll bag a couple up and put your name on it Mag and let you see what you think ...
jd1 Offline
#5 Posted: Thu, Aug 7 2003, 5:36 AM EST
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Got a bundle of the #99 or #9 I believe. Robusto size. They are supposed to be seconds so I tell myself they are. Incredible smokes IMHO. Even though medium-bodied they have tons of smoke and flavor. At $22/20, they are definitely priced right.
Steve*R Offline
#6 Posted: Thu, Aug 7 2003, 7:05 AM EST
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Here is a very recently edited Consuegra conversion chart with a proprietary brand removed. As I write below, when you can find 72s in maduro, grab them.

#1 6.5X42 Punch Oxford Deluxe

#2 4.5X28 Punch Slim Panatella

#3 5.5X43 Bolivar Fuerte Corona, Hoyo de Monterrey Tubo, Belinda Spanish Twist

#5 5.5X37 El Rey del Mundo Tino, Excalibur VI

#8 5.5X28 ERDM Elegantes

#9 4.5X50 Punch, ERDM Rothschilds

#10 5X41 Punch London Club, HDM Sabrosos

#14 7.25X54 BF 754, ERDM Robusto Suprema, HDM Sultans, Punch Chateau L

#16 6X48 Punch Pita

#17 5.5X47 HDM Cafe Royale, Punch Gran Cru Superior

#18 7.25X46 Belinda 1835, Punch After Dinner

#25 6.75X48 Flor de Allones Prominente, BF,HDM, Punch Double Corona, Excalibur Banquet, Punch Gran Corona Monarcha

#28 8.5X52 HDM or Punch Presidente, Excal Emperor, ERDM Coronation, PGC Prince Consort

#30 5.25X50 EXCAL Epicure, Punch Corona Gorda Deluxe, PGC Robusto

#68 5X37 FDA Especiale 5, BF Palmita, ERDM Reynita

#70 5.5X44 ERDM Corona, HDM Super Hoyo, Punch Café Royales, Punch Royal Coronation

#72 5X54 Bolivar Fuerte 554, ERDM Robusto Zavalla or Robusto (My experience is that the majority are ERDM overruns and the 72M is the most consistent of the line)

#73 6X54 FDA Regordo, BF 654, ERDM Reserva Salado and ERDM Robusto Larga

#84 Torpedo, Bellicoso, Figurado 6X54 ERDM Flor de Llaneza, Punch Gran Cru No. 2, Bolivar Fuerte Bellicoso, Flor de Allones Belicoso

The number 84 is rarely ever available. Some vendors refer to it as a 73 torpedo.
jd1 Offline
#7 Posted: Thu, Aug 7 2003, 10:41 AM EST
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Great comparison chart Steve. Mine were the #9 maduro and IMHO what makes these so good is that they tend to be very well aged; at least mine are. The bundle came wrapped in cello in the shape of a pyramid and the cello was very very yellow in color which is an indication of age or someone peed on my cigars. However, no "urinal" flavor profile exists, so I'm guessing it's the great shelf aging.
Slimboli Offline
#8 Posted: Thu, Aug 7 2003, 10:50 AM EST
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LOL @ Robby ...

I don't care what anyone says about the Consuegra ... I can't be fooled ...

... they just plain 'suck'.

Maybe I've been 'jaded' by all the great cigars out there, but for me, life is just to short to smoke 'cheap' cigars.
Mr.Mean Offline
#9 Posted: Thu, Aug 7 2003, 10:53 AM EST
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Amen to that. How anyone can rave about a average to below average cigar is beyond me.
xibbumbero Offline
#10 Posted: Thu, Aug 7 2003, 11:54 AM EST
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These have always been hit or miss. For me a few hits with mostly misses. I don't buy these anymore. X
gorob23 Offline
#11 Posted: Thu, Aug 7 2003, 12:33 PM EST
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LMAO I just sent a B-Day Bomb out to 2 CLUD memebers and along with some other sticks included one of these (no thats not the best I sent) to get their opinion. I have had a few and each one has been good. Maybe cause I let mine sit in the humi or maybe I got lucky. Rob
melski Offline
#12 Posted: Thu, Aug 7 2003, 1:00 PM EST
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I likes 'em
Robby Offline
#13 Posted: Thu, Aug 7 2003, 1:31 PM EST
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The ones I have I rate high, and I have all the best cigars money can buy... They're inexpensive, and there is a difference between a bargin cigar and a cheap cigar! We all like bargins.
jd1 Offline
#14 Posted: Thu, Aug 7 2003, 2:59 PM EST
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IMHO this is a bargain cigar not a cheap cigar. Concur with Robby. To each their own, but I like my Consuegra #9 maduros. I've tossed quite a few "name" brand cigars that cost much more than the Consuegra that I considered dog rockets.
sumguy Offline
#15 Posted: Thu, Aug 7 2003, 3:32 PM EST
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I likes em too - good cigar and good value. I like 9 and 16's. The only downside is they are inconsistent. If you get a great bundle then you scored. Occassionally you'll get some with poor construction - and those wind up as yard gars. At only a buck a stick it's a pretty good gamble.
Steve*R Offline
#16 Posted: Thu, Aug 7 2003, 4:46 PM EST
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As I've written elsewhere, my personal belief is that most Villazon cigars have a similar taste profile. The distinctions between brands tend to be quite minor. Under the guidance of Estelo Padron, there is a certain sameness about most of the cigars. Even the inexpensive Belinda hints of the Hoyo Estelo 75th Anniversary Chest. If you like Villazon cigars...Punch, ERDM, FdA, BF, Belinda, Hoyo, Excalibur, etc., Consuegras are a great value. Connie 72M and the ERDM robusto zavalla are usually indistinguishable by taste. When I want a Villazon flavor profile, which, frankly, is rare these days, I see no sense in buying firsts when flavor profile brand to brand is so close and the Consuegras are so cheap.

Today, as I mowed the lawn, I asked my wife to grab any stick for me out of my den humidor. She handed me an Ashton VSG sorcerer. I really enjoyed mowing the lawn today. I heartily agree that buying and smoking marginal cigars is fatuous. But, before you spend premium money on Villazon firsts, try a Consuegra or two, to see if they satisfy.
Robby Offline
#17 Posted: Thu, Aug 7 2003, 5:02 PM EST
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good word!

Pronunciation: 'fa-chü-&s, -tyü-
Function: adjective
Etymology: Latin fatuus foolish
Date: 1633
: complacently or inanely foolish :Silly
Mr.Mean Offline
#18 Posted: Thu, Aug 7 2003, 7:04 PM EST
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All that for a Connie. Nope, I don't get it.
Tobasco Offline
#19 Posted: Thu, Aug 7 2003, 8:41 PM EST
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Ya know meanie.

There are lots of young guys on these boards. Some of them look for bargain smokes cause they cant afford premiums on a daily basis. I like to give some of them recommendations.

Thats why its a good post. This may not be a smoke YOU enjoy, but I think it is obvious that others like them. If you notice, I've posted more on cheaper smokes that are good, than premiums.

Most already know which premiums are good, but the cheaper jems are harder to find. Thats what my post is all about.

I like smokes like this for work, or when doing yardwork. I get interupted many times and have to leave my smoke unattended and relight my smoke sometimes a few times.

I'm not going to treat a premium smoke like this. These are perfect for this situation, and so are a few other less expensive, but decent smokes.

I can afford ANY smokes I want, ANY. I just dont waste my money. A very good or great smoke deserves more attention to fully enjoy it, and I usually enjoy a drink with my finer smokes. I cant do that at work.

Mag
0patience Offline
#20 Posted: Thu, Aug 7 2003, 8:57 PM EST
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Mag,
Thank you for the info on the Connies.
While some folks can't fathom why a person would buy "cheap" sticks, I am still learning what I like and dislike, so I want to try a bunch of different ones. I know I like Baccarat, which some folks deem a "cheapie" and just got some Don Asa sticks, which I also liked, which are among the "cheapies".
So I think that I will have to put Connies next on my list. :)

Now don't get me wrong, I have found a few brands that I like, such as AVO, CAO, Arturo Fuente and romeo y julieta. Oh and the Sherpa I smoked tonight. :)

I agree with your statement about the sticks for work or yardwork. There are ones that I save for my unwind times. The times when I can relax and enjoy the cigar.
Tobasco Offline
#21 Posted: Thu, Aug 7 2003, 9:30 PM EST
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0patience

You are doing the right thing, be open minded. You WILL find some less expensive smokes that are enjoyable.

Do get some nice premiums too. You will enjoy them, especially when you can give them full attention.

Send me your addy & I will send you a couple to try. I recommend letting them rest a while before smoking them, unless I tell you otherwise. I will try one when I get them, but I'll have 25 of them.

My e-mail is Magnafide(at)AOL(dot)com...put 'Cunsuegra' as the title so I recognize it... :>)

PS: these are the #18 CASA GRANDE Size: 7.25 x 46...I usually like a larger ring size, but they were sold out of the larger ones, I still couldnt resist...hehe!
Tobasco Offline
#22 Posted: Thu, Aug 7 2003, 10:12 PM EST
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0patience

I just noticed you smoked your first Sherpa tonight...what a coincidence! I smoked my first tonight too!

I smoked the Orange Lable torpedo. It was pretty good. I think with more age, it will become an exceptional smoke. Time will tell. But for no humi time it was good. E-mail me...

Mag
gorob23 Offline
#23 Posted: Fri, Aug 8 2003, 8:50 AM EST
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Steve thanks for the chart Rob
0patience Offline
#24 Posted: Fri, Aug 8 2003, 3:30 PM EST
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Hey Mag,
e-mail sent bud.
auximage Offline
#25 Posted: Fri, Aug 8 2003, 5:02 PM EST
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MMmmm.. connies..

My fav. is the #9 as well. BTW, I have that conversion chart in .doc formatted all nice. If anyone would like a copy, email me smitty @at@ gsfl dot org
Mr.Mean Offline
#26 Posted: Fri, Aug 8 2003, 5:39 PM EST
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Don't get me wrong Mag, I'm not condemning anyone for smoking Connies and I never said it was a bad post.
Simply, I am not a fan, never was of Connies. I think they are inconsistant, tasteless, and of poor construction most of the time. They are seconds.
I also believe there are far better values here at Cbid than Connies on competiting sites anyday of the week. example Rare Corojo, Kelner Seconds, and the Don Douglas Tambor bundles.
And as for yard smokes... I got a cooler full and none of em are Connies :o
Anyone who smokes cigars long enough will have plenty of yard smokes with going out and buying them on purpose.
Tobasco Offline
#27 Posted: Fri, Aug 8 2003, 8:51 PM EST
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Meanie

Its all personal preference I guess. The two I tried were pretty darn good, and different sizes. And to be honest I couldnt tell that they were seconds. Also, they came from two guys that I consider very experienced smokers on these boards(robby & cwilhelmi).

I'll find out how consistent these are after getting the bundle I ordered. Who knows, maybe youre right. But after smoking two real good ones, I've gotta find out for myself... :>)

Mag
jd1 Offline
#28 Posted: Fri, Aug 8 2003, 9:06 PM EST
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I'm in the same boat Mag. I've smoked about 5 or 6 before ordering my bundle and of that bundle I've only smoked 2--both very good. I'm hoping the rest of the bundle will be the same; if not, I'll chalk it up and won't go there again.
cwilhelmi Offline
#29 Posted: Fri, Aug 15 2003, 2:07 PM EST
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Mag - I gave you a 73, this was a good batch!!
Robby Offline
#30 Posted: Fri, Aug 15 2003, 4:58 PM EST
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ditto. It's an EXCELLENT cigar... But, I understand if some folks have gotten some bad ones, I mean, they are seconds. But I've been very impressed and the taste on the ones I have is "second" to none :-)
Robby Offline
#31 Posted: Fri, Aug 15 2003, 5:00 PM EST
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And I think the main reason Slim bashes um is because they're sold on ***YANKED***'s web site, and they're not sold here... I'm thinking if the reverse were true, the reverse would be true... Perhaps I'm just too sceptical..
denglazer Offline
#32 Posted: Fri, Aug 15 2003, 5:05 PM EST
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Jumped on the "Connie Bandwagon" a few years ago. Bought 100 #73*s. Ott they were horrid,so I put them down to rest for a year.Tried them again and they were still terrible.Finally traded them off in frustration.My "Connie" buying days are over.
0patience Offline
#33 Posted: Fri, Aug 15 2003, 5:05 PM EST
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Wow!
3 minuites to **YANKED** time on Robby.
That has gotta be a record. LOL!!
I'm gonna try the Consegras. They sound good to me. :)
TurboFC3S Offline
#34 Posted: Sat, Aug 16 2003, 7:17 AM EST
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I've had good luck with Connies I've received in trades, so I ordered two bundles of #72 Maduro's ... they sure look and taste a lot like HDM Dark Sumatra's.
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