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RDC Offline
#1 Posted: Mon, Sep 8 2003, 4:22 AM EST
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Accounts Receivable Tax

Building Permit Tax

Capital Gains Tax

CDL license Tax

Cigarette Tax

Corporate Income Tax

Court Fines (indirect taxes)

Dog License Tax

Federal Income Tax

Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)

Fishing License Tax

Food License Tax

Fuel permit tax

Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon)

Hunting License Tax

Inheritance Tax Interest expense (tax on the money)

Inventory tax IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)

IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)

Liquor Tax

Local Income Tax

Luxury Taxes

Marriage License Tax

Medicare Tax

Property Tax

Real Estate Tax

Septic Permit Tax

Service Charge Taxes

Social Security Tax

Road Usage Taxes (Truckers)

Sales Taxes

Recreational Vehicle Tax

Road Toll Booth Taxes

School Tax

State Income Tax

State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)

Telephone federal excise tax

Telephone federal universal service fee tax

Telephone federal, state and local surcharge taxes

Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax

Telephone recurring and non-recurring charges tax

Telephone state and local tax

Telephone usage charge tax

Toll Bridge Taxes

Toll Tunnel Taxes

Traffic Fines (indirect taxation)

Trailer registration tax

Utility Taxes

Vehicle License Registration Tax

Vehicle Sales Tax

Watercraft registration Tax

Well Permit Tax

Workers Compensation Tax



COMMENT: Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago and our nation was the most prosperous in the world, had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.

What the hell happened?
HarleyDave Offline
#2 Posted: Mon, Sep 8 2003, 5:34 AM EST
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It's called Bureaucracy!
xibbumbero Offline
#3 Posted: Mon, Sep 8 2003, 6:09 AM EST
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What about thumb tax? X :~)
plabonte Offline
#4 Posted: Mon, Sep 8 2003, 7:23 AM EST
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Accounts Receivable tax? What the heck is that?

Also, some of your "taxes" are not taxes at all but are fees. (i.e. Building permit).

al'Thor Offline
#5 Posted: Mon, Sep 8 2003, 8:27 AM EST
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Potato, potahto... those "fees" are taxes.... something tells me that without all those taxes, we wouldn't need as many of the Bill of No Rights...
billyjackson Offline
#6 Posted: Mon, Sep 8 2003, 10:21 AM EST
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RDC,

Don't know much politics or economy, but what does Mom staying home raising the kids have to do with any of this?

Billy
plabonte Offline
#7 Posted: Mon, Sep 8 2003, 10:42 AM EST
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Maybe yes and maybe no al'thor.

A taxes is something that is assessed on something with the money going to support an unrelated activity.

For instance my property tax money goes to support various social service and law enforcement activities in my county. That really has nothing to do with my house does it.

A fee is assessed and the money goes to a related activity. A marriage license fee goes to record the cost of that marriage license by the local register of deeds. The money doesn't go to support some other activity.

Usually with a fee you are getting a direct benefit from paying it. With a tax you may or may not get a benefit from it. And if you do get a benefit it is usually an indirect one.

Deriffe Offline
#8 Posted: Mon, Sep 8 2003, 10:58 AM EST
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There aren't too many fees you go to jail for refusing to pay.
Tobasco Offline
#9 Posted: Mon, Sep 8 2003, 11:22 AM EST
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billyjackson

The point is that, if these taxes didnt all exist, then maybe mom wouldnt have to work and could stay home and raise the kids.

Many moons ago when I was a kid, many more moms were staying home and raising the kids. Now more babysitters and daycare centers raise peoples kids. Thats not as good as being raised by your own parents...
Tobasco Offline
#10 Posted: Mon, Sep 8 2003, 11:29 AM EST
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Plabonte

Whether its called a tax or a fee, if it goes to any government program or project whats the difference in the end? Unless its cut, we all have to pay for it one way or another...

If the cost comes out of my pocket and is called either, it feels the same to me...
plabonte Offline
#11 Posted: Mon, Sep 8 2003, 12:05 PM EST
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The difference is a with a fee you are directly paying for a product or service you are receiving. With a tax you aren't.

Lets look at "Road Toll Booth tax". You only pay this when you use the roads that the toll booth is on. If you don't use the roads you don't pay it. The money for the toll booth goes (in theory) to help maintain those roads. So in essence you are paying a maintenance fee.

If you own a condo you probably pay an association fee and that money (again in theory)goes to maintain the condo. Do you call this a condo tax?

If you don't own a car you aren't going to pay at a toll booth because you aren't using the road.

If it was a tax (lets say a percentage of your real estate goes to support local roads) you have to pay that whether or not you own a car. And if you don't own a car you aren't getting any direct bennefit.

Just because money is going to a Government entity doesn't mean it a tax.

Ever hear of a municipal golf course? Your green's fee goes to a government. Why isn't there a golf tax then on the list.

Because it isn't a tax its a fee. Get it?






Tobasco Offline
#12 Posted: Mon, Sep 8 2003, 12:27 PM EST
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You can call em fees or tax then. Out here in Cal, toll booth costs are called fees not tax. You may be correct about the state you live in. But its not as you say, in every instance out here. What state do you live in?

I own a business. I have licences that say fees & ones that say tax. I have no choice in whether I pay or not. I feel they are all the same...
JonR Offline
#13 Posted: Mon, Sep 8 2003, 1:57 PM EST
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What's all this whining about taxies, we don't have enough taxies. Have you ever tried hailing a taxi or ordering a taxi, you can't get one when you... er what taxes oh er never mind. JonR
usahog Offline
#14 Posted: Mon, Sep 8 2003, 2:22 PM EST
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you left out the Death Tax?? if this hasn't been mentioned before??

Hog
Deriffe Offline
#15 Posted: Mon, Sep 8 2003, 2:41 PM EST
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No matter what it's called, it's taxation without representation and will NEVER change until "We the People" take the government back and return it to "We the People". I'm not a libertarian type but I AM sick of wind up perfumed talking heads.
plabonte Offline
#16 Posted: Tue, Sep 9 2003, 5:19 AM EST
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Boy I'm not sure how I can make this any clearer.

Lets try it this way. If its a fee you get a benefit from it. If its a tax you may or may not get a benefit from it.

I live in Wisconsin. If the Milwaukee Bucks want renovations to the Bradley center where they play they up the price of the ticket. In essence attaching a renovation fee to it. If I don't see the Bucks play I don't pay the fee. If I see them I pay the fee and get the benefit of an updated facility.

When the Green Bay Packers want renovations to Lambo field an increase in the sales tax is done. Thus I'm paying for the renovation even if I don't go to the stadium. And if I don't go I'm not getting any beneift.
Tobasco Offline
#17 Posted: Tue, Sep 9 2003, 11:56 AM EST
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Plabonte, all I see is that you know YOUR states ways. Its not always that way in CA. Why the heck do you care anyway?

Like I said before, If its costing anything, and I have no choice, but to pay, I dont care what it's called. Do you get that?
plabonte Offline
#18 Posted: Tue, Sep 9 2003, 12:08 PM EST
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Oh I get it now.

So when you buy fruit you pay a fruit tax because you don't have a choice of paying or not. And when you get your hair cut you pair a hair tax. And when you get a massage you pay a massage tax. Pretty much anytime any money comes out of your wallet its a tax because you don't have a choice of paying or not since nothing is free.

Thanks for clearing that up for me Tobasco.
Tobasco Offline
#19 Posted: Tue, Sep 9 2003, 1:06 PM EST
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No, what I get is that you dont know what you are talkink about when it refers to other states. In CA there is no tax on food, there is no tax on labor.

Bridges and roads have no tax, they're fees. Its different here. Worry about your own state, cause you sure dont know about this state.
funjohnny19 Offline
#20 Posted: Tue, Sep 9 2003, 1:13 PM EST
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Fee = Tax
Tax = Fee

Either way, somebody is taking your money. Using the word 'fee' doesn't sound as bad as using the word 'tax', but either way you slice it - it doesn't matter. Nothing's free.....you want something, you have to pay. Simple concept.
Tobasco Offline
#21 Posted: Tue, Sep 9 2003, 1:18 PM EST
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Thanks funjohnny19

my point also. Who cares what its called?
Robby Offline
#22 Posted: Tue, Sep 9 2003, 1:59 PM EST
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Indeed... Are you any less "taxed" if you have to pay a "fee"? Consider the following,

Citizen 1 pays 25% of his income in taxes and 25% of his income in "fees".

Citizen 2 pays only 10% of his income in taxes, but pays 40% of his income in "fees".

Which citizen pays more in taxes?

Now which citizen has a larger share of their own money? Right... It's bu!!**** to argue semantics. That which we call a turd by any other name would smell as stinky...
plabonte Offline
#23 Posted: Wed, Sep 10 2003, 6:34 AM EST
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My point is that this thread was titled taxes. And not all of the items listed are taxes.

If there was a thread of cigars you don't like and I said Marlboro and Newport Light I'm sure someone would point out those are cigarettes and not cigars. But hey they all contain tobacco so what is the difference right?

You are correct Robby they paid the same amount. But you are missing the concept I'm trying to explain

Citizen 1 pays $20,000 for a new car
Citizen 2 pays $20,000 to a homeless person

They both paid the same amount so its the same thing right? WRONG! Citizen 1 gets a benefit for his money a new car. Citizen 2 gets no benefit someone else does.

A fee results in a direct benefit to you. A tax may or may not. If it is all the same to you guys and you don't care it you get a benefit from your money then stop spending cash on your cigars and send the money to me. After all either way its going to come out of your pockets.

Tobasco if CA is so different then please explain to me some fees you pay that you don't get a direct beneift from. I'd like to understand how things work by you.
RDC Offline
#24 Posted: Wed, Sep 10 2003, 6:42 AM EST
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Plabonte, Cigar - Cigarette. Isn't a cigarette by definition a small cigar?

Middle English, from Middle French, feminine diminutive suffix, from Old French -ete -- more at -ET
1 : little one - kitchenette
2 : female - farmerette
plabonte Offline
#25 Posted: Wed, Sep 10 2003, 7:32 AM EST
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If you can get everyone on this board to agree that a cigarette and a cigar are the same thing RDC then I'll concede.

RDC Offline
#26 Posted: Wed, Sep 10 2003, 7:37 AM EST
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I didn't say there WERE the same thing, but according to Merriam-Webster they would appear to be the same thing. I suppose that is why the anti-tobacco nuts are on a rampage over cigars, they are clueless.

BTW...

Main Entry: cig·a·rette
Variant(s): also cig·a·ret /"si-g&-'ret, 'si-g&-"/
Function: noun
Etymology: French cigarette, diminutive of cigare cigar, from Spanish cigarro
Date: 1835
: a slender roll of cut tobacco enclosed in paper and meant to be smoked; also : a similar roll of another substance (as marijuana)
Tobasco Offline
#27 Posted: Wed, Sep 10 2003, 7:51 AM EST
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Plabonte

OK, the bureau of auto repair yearly 'FEE' doesnt help our business, or other shops, it goes to help consumers through consumer affairs

There's one right off the bat for you!
Tobasco Offline
#28 Posted: Wed, Sep 10 2003, 7:54 AM EST
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You dont know all Plabonte, every state is gonna have slight variations of fees or tax interpretation
plabonte Offline
#29 Posted: Wed, Sep 10 2003, 8:52 AM EST
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You are 100% right Tobasco I don't know everything. Thats why I like this board because I learn a lot. Like right now I'm learning about California.

I don't know what a bureau of auto repair yearly fee is and I don't know what the bureau uses the money for. My guess is that the money goes to regulate auto repair businesses. Which I would guess you receive a benefit from. Although without knowing more specifics I can't tell you what the benefit is as I'm not an auto mechanic nor do I regulate them. And if you don't receive a benefit your customers do. But rather then charging them the bureau charges you because it knows you'll pass that cost on to your customer anyway.

But would you not agree that it is more appropriate for auto repair shops to pay for an organization that regulates repair shops rather then for everyone to pay for an organization that regulates repair shops?

If I never take my car in to be repaired because I rent, lease, or maybe buy a new car every year or if I don't even own a car I don't want to have to pay to regulate your business.

A fee charges those with direct involvement. A tax charges everyone involvement or not.

By the way if you are still reading this thread RDC I'm still wondering what an accounts receivable tax is.
Tobasco Offline
#30 Posted: Wed, Sep 10 2003, 9:38 AM EST
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Plabonte, I just told you what the funds are used for

The bureau is part of CONSUMER AFFAIRS, that's for the customer, not the repair facility

In all the years I've worked on cars, the bureau has done NOTHING for us, but will help customers go AGAINST us if they have a complaint

Sorry, I have no periods to my sentences, the key quit working this morning
RDC Offline
#31 Posted: Wed, Sep 10 2003, 9:44 AM EST
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AR Tax? No clue. This post was from an email from an email from an email...
plabonte Offline
#32 Posted: Wed, Sep 10 2003, 9:56 AM EST
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Thats ok Tobasco. I'd rather have you have no periods then use the exclamation point.

In that case it sounds like a pass through fee. Bureau finds it easier to bill you then the customer. You in turn bill the customer for this fee.

So the customer pays for this and receives the benefit of having an organization that regulates auto repair shops. If you don't own a car, you don't have it repaired, and you pay zero.

If this was a tax everyone pays and some get a benefit and some don't.
Robby Offline
#33 Posted: Wed, Sep 10 2003, 11:48 AM EST
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I hadn't considered some of those points Paul, good observations.
Tobasco Offline
#34 Posted: Wed, Sep 10 2003, 7:45 PM EST
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Plabonte, you do make a good argument with that reasoning...I still dont like writing that check...
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