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Tobasco Offline
#1 Posted: Fri, Sep 26 2003, 9:22 PM EST
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This is a total contradiction between laws. How can anybody get a license to drive when they are here illegally?

I realize that many foriegners do work hard, and are an important part of this states economy. They do jobs that are not desirable to the average American citizen.

But the rules must be enforced. There are individuals and families waiting, for legal ways to enter and become productive folks. To reward people who have broken our laws is bad policy.

The drivers licenses given to these illegals require no fingerprints, or background checks. Yea, this is exactly what we need during times of terrorism...Not!

Whats your take on this issue?

Mag
Tobasco Offline
#2 Posted: Fri, Sep 26 2003, 9:33 PM EST
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one minor detail concerning this...Gray Davis voted against this passing twice.

Now that he is DESPERATE FOR VOTES he has signed this bill. Its obvious that he is hoping that the hispanics will vote for him.

Since I believe that many legal Hispanic citizens probably have relatives that are illegal and would be eligable for these lisences.

Now, I admit this is only speculation, but I think its true.

Mag
sketcha Offline
#3 Posted: Fri, Sep 26 2003, 11:27 PM EST
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I have many Hispanic friends and have not been shy in voicing my opinion on this matter...

What Mag said!

It's infuriating!
cwilhelmi Offline
#4 Posted: Sat, Sep 27 2003, 12:28 AM EST
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"Yea, this is exactly what we need during times of terrorism...Not! "

This is the perfect point against this measure, since there's been so many hispanic terror attacks lately...
jjohnson28 Offline
#5 Posted: Sat, Sep 27 2003, 12:52 AM EST
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As far as I know Chris you don't have to be Hispanic to get a drivers liscense under this bill you only have to be an illegal immigrant.After all that would be discriminitory. No?

As I said before,I believe we already recognize international drivers liscenses when acommpanied by a visa for the period of time they are issued.What makes it so hard understand? If a resident immigrant has a work permit they can already obtain a Ca Dl.What makes it so hard understand?

You are correct though Chris when you only mention illegal hispanics because this bill is pandering to the hispanic vote,plain and simple. Understand? LOL

JJ
Tobasco Offline
#6 Posted: Sat, Sep 27 2003, 7:19 AM EST
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So Chris, do you support the distribution of licenses to illegals? Do you believe that the current immigration laws should be enforced?

We MUST respect and enforce the laws in place, or why have them? Giving licenses to illegals goes against current immigration laws.

This also underminds the efforts of honest foreigners, trying to come in legally, by letting illegals butt in line and recieve benifits before them. How fair is that?

Mag
xibbumbero Offline
#7 Posted: Sat, Sep 27 2003, 8:45 AM EST
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Here's my take on this. The illegals are here and will continue to be here. In the past if you had the misfortune of being in an auto accident with an illegal and it was their fault,chances were that they had no auto insurance. So your insurance paid for your accident. At least now to get a CDL they need auto insurance. I agree it's a small benefit but it's better than things were before. X
sketcha Offline
#8 Posted: Sat, Sep 27 2003, 9:13 AM EST
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If I'm not mistaken, x, you only need to get insurance to register your vehicle.
cwilhelmi Offline
#9 Posted: Sat, Sep 27 2003, 1:39 PM EST
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I wasn't saying whetehr or not I agree with the bill, just pointing ou8t your scare tactic about terrorism. There are some issues that can't be tied to terrorism and can't use 9/11 for support...
xibbumbero Offline
#10 Posted: Sat, Sep 27 2003, 1:49 PM EST
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Sketcha my bad. However,if they have licenses hopefully they will register their vehicles as well. X
sketcha Offline
#11 Posted: Sat, Sep 27 2003, 3:34 PM EST
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Sure, x and pigs might fly out of my butt. = )
xibbumbero Offline
#12 Posted: Sat, Sep 27 2003, 3:54 PM EST
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You never know,LOL. X
dz130 Offline
#13 Posted: Sat, Sep 27 2003, 4:20 PM EST
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Sketcha
I wanna see that!LOL! I'll even put up a box of Lone Wolfs to see it.
Tobasco Offline
#14 Posted: Sat, Sep 27 2003, 5:28 PM EST
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Chris, how about a Middle Eastern who just happens to look hispanic? I dont think its crazy to think of this possibility, do you?

If you dont give a background check, how would we know? This does start to look like a security problem when you look at it this way.

It only took me a minute to think of that reason. I'm sure sophisticated terrorists can come up with better ideas than that.

Mag
xibbumbero Offline
#15 Posted: Sat, Sep 27 2003, 5:50 PM EST
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Come to think of it Mag you look Hispanic. Where did you say you were from? LOL. X
Tobasco Offline
#16 Posted: Sat, Sep 27 2003, 6:19 PM EST
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Hey now! Yes X I'm hispanic. Lets see if my switchblade is in working order...ouch! Yea, it works...hehe!

Mag
cwilhelmi Offline
#17 Posted: Sun, Sep 28 2003, 9:12 AM EST
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Even if only terrorists want to get drivers licenses, is their some inherent trait about drivers licenses that allow someone to be a better terrorist? What’s the big deal with giving them a license, you say it’s a security risk, but explain the risk? The NSA probably loves it!

I'd rather illegals had a real state issue license so we could track them since we can't when they have a forged version.
Tobasco Offline
#18 Posted: Sun, Sep 28 2003, 2:37 PM EST
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I'm not in much of a debating mood right now Chris, so I'll make this a short & simple example.

When you are in line to get your boarding pass at the airport, guess what form of ID you are asked for?

Nuff Said

Mag
cwilhelmi Offline
#19 Posted: Sun, Sep 28 2003, 2:39 PM EST
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the name has to match the manifest therefore it would be in a computer and if it's a bad person we would know. However if it's a falsified document nobody would be any wiser.

Any other examples?
Tobasco Offline
#20 Posted: Sun, Sep 28 2003, 2:41 PM EST
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Oh, by the way. It took me about a minute to think of this one, after reading your post. With unlimited time, I bet there are many more examples out there.

Mag
Tobasco Offline
#21 Posted: Sun, Sep 28 2003, 2:48 PM EST
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Why wouldnt it be on a manifest? I ordered airline tix for me and my buddies to go to LA, with a credit card online. When we got to the airport we all showed our ID's and went on through.

All it takes is one person with a credit card to be simpathetic to a terrorist and there you go.

Chris, quit your pathetic excuses to do something that should be illegal to begin with. Your character is flawed if you think breaking laws is alright with you.

Mag
sketcha Offline
#22 Posted: Sun, Sep 28 2003, 3:12 PM EST
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Uh, Chris, you really need to think this one through. The point is, little or no background check. You can come in from Mexico. Do you think it would be tough to obtain a forged birth certificate in Mexico?
Robby Offline
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Main Entry: 1law
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Robby Offline
#24 Posted: Sun, Sep 28 2003, 4:16 PM EST
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note the word "binding"
Robby Offline
#25 Posted: Sun, Sep 28 2003, 4:21 PM EST
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Sorry, just for clarification, if someone is "illegal" how can they get a "legal" license???????????

What’s wrong with this picture? Is this a hill anyone really wants to die on? How can you possibly EVER win this argument?
Homebrew Offline
#26 Posted: Sun, Sep 28 2003, 6:51 PM EST
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Hell,
Let them, the illegals, get drivers lisences. Be easier to round them up, for being illegal in the first place, deport them, and you've at least collected the licensing fee.
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
cwilhelmi Offline
#27 Posted: Sun, Sep 28 2003, 7:52 PM EST
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I never said how I feel in this thread, I'm just simply stating that you've made NO points regarding the terrorism angle that work so far. When you go through the security line your ID has to match your boarding pass, therefore it's on the manifest. This is not too dificult...

Do you really think a terrorist is actually going to get a drivers license if they're here illegally? It would make more sense for them to forge it with a fake identity in order to throw people off.
Tobasco Offline
#28 Posted: Mon, Sep 29 2003, 12:01 AM EST
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Like I said earlier, I ordered airline tix for 4 guys including myself, online with just their names, exactly as written on their licences.

When we got in line at the airport, all our names were on the manifest, We pulled out our drivers licences, the gal looked at the manifest, looked at our drivers licences, then looked to see that the pics match us.

Thats it, and we walked through with boarding passes onto the airplane.

Mag
Tobasco Offline
#29 Posted: Mon, Sep 29 2003, 12:12 AM EST
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I gave you an example like you asked. You didnt speak of forged licences then. You asked what advantage a terrorist would have with a CA drivers licence. I gave you one.

Then you changed your stance and went with the forging idea. You cant change the question after the answer. I gave you a good reason. And it only takes one guy that does get one from the Gov instead of forging anyway, just one!

Mag
cwilhelmi Offline
#30 Posted: Mon, Sep 29 2003, 6:56 AM EST
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I'm not changing my stance, what r u smoking??? You just confirmed that their names were on the manifest after you got your boarding passes, didn't you?

When you go through security the DL name has to match the boarding pass, therefore people will know who's flying, so I say again, why would a terrorist even want a real DL???
Tobasco Offline
#31 Posted: Mon, Sep 29 2003, 7:50 AM EST
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Foget it Chris, nothing will change your position. Which is in question, as I see it, by the others too, given their responces to your posts...



cwilhelmi Offline
#32 Posted: Mon, Sep 29 2003, 7:57 AM EST
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Actually I agree that the licenses for illegals is a bad idea and it needs to be changed before I would support it, I just don't agree on the whole terrorism angle. And at first I supported the licenses for illegals, but after more research I agree it needs more safeguards...

It's called devils advocate...
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