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And Again Clinton’s Negligence Led to 9/11
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http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/9/4/03534.shtml

Posner: Clinton’s Negligence Led to 9/11
Dave Eberhart and NewsMax.com Staff
Thursday, Sept. 4, 2003
The Facts are also found on the CIA's website...
Best-selling author Gerald Posner says much of the blame for 9/11 and the U.S. government’s negligence falls squarely on the shoulders of Bill Clinton and his administration.
In a stunning revelation made in his just released “Why America Slept: the Failure to Prevent 9/11” – Posner asserts the disaster of Sept. 11 could have been prevented and that President Clinton passed on more than one opportunity to arrest or kill Osama bin Laden.

Posner describes one incident in 1996 when Clinton passed on an easy opportunity to nab bin Laden.

“When bin Laden leaves the Sudan on a chartered commercial airliner with 150 of his top aides and his family, he goes to Qatar to refuel on his way to Pakistan,” Posner recounted to Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly Wednesday night.

Posner continued: “And Qatar, being an ally of the U.S. calls up and says ‘what should we do with this guy?’

“And the word comes back from the top of the [Clinton] administration ‘let him land and proceed on to Pakistan.’”

Posner’s revelations come on top of one previously reported on NewsMax.com - that Clinton himself admitted he turned down an offer by Sudanese authorities to have bin Laden extradited in 1996.

But Posner’s revelations show just how close U.S. authorities came to capturing bin Laden – but was allowed to go free and implement a worldwide terror spree.

“Why America Slept” paints a picture of gross negligence from the Clinton administration.

“We just weren't focused on Islamic militants,” Posner told NBC’s Katie Couric Wednesday, explaining, “You had President Clinton in an eight-year period, there was two years he met with the head of the CIA twice. That was it. He just wasn't attuned to foreign policy or the issue of terrorism.”

Posner told O’Reilly his investigation of Clinton’s handling of bin Laden left him disgusted.

“This is from a fellow who voted twice for Clinton,” a repentant Posner said. “I wouldn’t do it again.”

Posner argues that had the Republicans been in charge in the 90s, he would have demanded the same accountability.

“I was infuriated. My blood kept boiling as I realized that eight of these ten years leading up to 9/11 were under his watch – and the job that was done was just terrible.”

Posner doesn’t buy arguments that bin Laden was not perceived as a great threat in 1996.

He notes that the CIA came to Clinton with significant evidence about bin Laden before 1996. “He didn’t put bin Laden on the wanted list until 1996, and he doesn’t pull the trigger time and time again.”

Posner is angered that instead of honing up to their culpability for 9/11, Clinton and top aides have been engaging in a false, “revisionist history.”

“You have Berger, you have Albright, and you have Clinton saying this was priority one; we wanted bin Laden with everything we had.”

Saudi Role

What was in those infamous 28 pages censored from Washington's official report on 9/11? Gerald Posner makes some startling revelations in “Why America Slept.”

Posner not only weaves a riveting tale of U.S. intelligence blunders that led to 9/11, he also makes the shocking disclosure of a Saudi-Pakistani-Osama terrorism triangle that should cause U.S. leaders to re-assess exactly who our friends are.

Posner, a former Wall Street lawyer and award-winning author of eight books on subjects ranging from Nazi war criminals, to assassinations (he debunked claims of a conspiracy in the Kennedy assassination), to the careers of politicians, spent 18 months investigating 9/11 -- uncovering explosive new evidence through interviews and in classified documents.

He reveals in “Why America Slept:"


Saudi Arabia and Pakistan had foreknowledge that a terrorist attack was scheduled for September 11, 2001 on U.S. soil.

A startling account of the interrogation of one of bin Laden’s most senior aides, Abu Zubaydah. He is thought to have been in operational control of al-Qaeda's millennium bomb plots, as well as the attack on the U.S.S. Cole in October 2000.

Facts about a series of deaths that point to an ongoing effort by Saudi Arabia and Pakistan to hide the extent of their earlier relationships with al-Qaida.

Details about a secret deal made between Saudi Arabia and Osama bin Laden more than a decade ago - keep your militant fundamentalists away from the Kingdom and we will help fund you.

How the U.S. government under Bill Clinton missed several chances to kill or capture bin Laden.

Evidence that German intelligence may have protected an informant who was involved with many of the 9/11 plotters.

How the CIA tracked - and then lost - two of the hijackers when they entered the United States more than twenty months before the attacks.

The devastating consequences of the crippling rivalry between the CIA and FBI as the United States moved unwittingly toward 9/11.
In his dramatic narrative, Posner exposes the frequent mistakes made by law enforcement and government agencies, and demonstrates how the failures to prevent 9/11 were tragically not an exception but typical.

Along the way, by delving into terror financing, the links between far-flung terror organizations, and how the United States responded over the years to other attacks, Posner also makes a damning case that 9/11 could have been prevented.

Special Interrogation

Posner graphically reveals how U.S. interrogators used drugs to make Zubaydah talk.

When the questioning falters, CIA operatives spirit him to an Afghan complex rigged as a fake Saudi jail chamber, where "two Arab-Americans, now with Special Forces," pretending to be Saudi inquisitors, use more drugs and threats to scare him into revealing his secrets.

At one defining point when accused of lying, Zubaydah responds by erupting with the details of a Saudi-Pakistani-Osama triangle of intrigue.

He ticks off telephone numbers of a senior member of the royal family, that of Prince Ahmed bin Salman bin Abdul Aziz, a Westernized nephew of King Fahd. The Saudi connection was through Prince Turki Al-Faisal bin Abdul Aziz, the kingdom’s intelligence chief.

Further, he reveals how bin Laden had personally told him of a 1991 meeting at which Turki agreed to let Laden leave Saudi and provide him with funds to keep al-Qaida away from the kingdom.

The Pakistani contact, Air Force chief Mushaf Ali Mir, enters the conspiracy at a 1996 meeting in Pakistan. Bin Laden cuts a deal with Mir, who was tied closely to Islamists in Pakistan’s ISI to provide protection, arms and supplies for al-Qaida.

In the end, Posner reveals how the conspirators lose their lives -- seriatim.

On July 22, 2002, Prince Ahmed dies of a heart attack at 43; a day later Prince Turki, 41, is killed in “a high-speed car accident.” The last member, Prince Fahd bin Turki bin Saud al-Kabir, mysteriously perishes of thirst while traveling east of Riyadh - just a week after. Finally, seven months later, Mir perishes in a plane crash.

While the details of the terrorism triangle form the explosive heart of Posner's examination of who did what wrong before Sept. 11, most is a lucid analysis of how the CIA, FBI and U.S. leaders missed a decade's worth of clues and opportunities - if heeded, Posner postulates, might have foiled the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

Since 9/11, one important question has persisted: What was really going on behind the scenes with intelligence services and government leaders during the time preceding the World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks?

For sure, the official investigation stops far short of the new revelations offered by Posner.

Hog
RobertParrott Offline
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Can someone tell me the name of the vodka that is made in Texas and where I might be able to get on line.

Robert
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Oh no its the twilight Zone again!!!

Robert
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Oh no its the twilight Zone again!!!

Robert
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Oh no its the twilight Zone again!!!

Robert
usahog Offline
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Oooooppppssss could Gonz pull one of these... Sorry for the double Post!!!!

Hog
usahog Offline
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I'll say Wow!!!!!
usahog Offline
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Sorry Robert??? don't knwo how that Happened and it posted mine twice???

Hog
RobertParrott Offline
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Hog I don't think it was you, this is the twilight zone again where you can post to 2 threads at once.

Now go look in Texas Vodka.
RobertParrott Offline
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Hog I don't think it was you, this is the twilight zone again where you can post to 2 threads at once.

Now go look in Texas Vodka
usahog Offline
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I seen it... and I seen it a week or so back also...

strange... but somehow it did double post my post also LMAO!!!!

Hog
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This is funny stuff!
jjohnson28 Offline
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Wow that is cool! Way better than when I broke the board last year...LOL
dz130 Offline
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I had nothing to do with this one!
RobertParrott Offline
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I would still like the information on the Texas Vodka!

Robert
SteveS Offline
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Your're right, Jimbo ... I thought it was sorta cool when you broke the board last year, but this is WAY better ... for a few minutes, I coulda' sworn that maybe I'd been pretty well into that Texas vodka already this morning ... LOL

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Tito is the name of the vodka.
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http://www.titos-vodka.com/

http://www.titos-vodka.com/writeup.htm
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RobertParrott

tito's vodka is available at discount liquor in vegas.
it is excellent
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jjohnson28

is reading double as much fun as seeing double?
Robby Offline
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Interesting that the libs so fond of attacking W COMPLETELY dodge the facts represented here. Makes them "uncomfortable" I guess... Oh no!! He's presenting facts! What to do! What to do! I know, we'll laugh, joke, and change the subject, yeah, that's the ticket! That'll show everyone how smart and right we really are... Hurumph.
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This is a cheap shot book and article.

First, 20/20 hindsight applies here. Sure, if we killed every bad guy, nothing bad would ever happen.

Second, do you think that 11 September would not have happened if bin Laden was killed? Well, that would run contrary to all accounts I hear about it having been a plan MANY years in the making. Bin Laden did not carry out 11 September, so killing him would not have taken out the relevant people.

Third, if you want to be consistent with this, where is the direct indictment of Reagan and Bush Volume One? They, after all, supported bin Laden as an anti-Communist warrior in Afghanistan.

Fourth, what about Bush Volume Two sending tens of millions to the Taliban in Spring 2001? According to the logic of this article, we should hold him responsible for his negligence.

Funny thing about facts and theorizing about them: they end up making more people responsible than you might think at first glance.

If you admit to all of these folks being 'responsible' for 11 September, then I can accept your indictment of Clinton. If you don't, and you only apply this standard of responsibility to Clinton, then you are just taking an ideological cheap shot.

Everything I just said counts as 'facts,' by the way.

John
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Guys
Thanks for the infomation on the vodka!
Robert
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John
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend." Different times with different needs, agendas, and enemies. Remember the Eastern Bloc, and the Warsaw Pact? They were our enemies for years. Why? Because they had nukes pointed at us. Anything to divert their attention away from us was a "Tactical Advantage," leading to an overall "Strategic Advantage."
Robby Offline
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Professor, you sound like an apologist. "Officer, yes, the light was red, but you hadn't yet begun moving forward, so 'technically', I really didn't do anything wrong". Sounds like you're equivocating to me...
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I think the importance of the List above is not to necessarily place the blame on Clinton, but rather to show that it was not the fault of the current administration.

Who knows why these towel-headed cowards attacked American civilians. But no matter the "reason", it was not due to any one administrations policies.

The problem is, that only one President has been saddled with the aftermath, and all the repercussions both internationally and domestic are now the responsiblity of GWB.
The Bush haters out there (and on this board) COMPLETELY ignore this.

I, for one, have never claimed President Bush is perfect. But you'd be hard pressed to convince me that any other President in History could have done a better job at keeping America from falling apart at the seams after such tragic events.

I didn't like President Clinton when he was in office.
He and his communist wife had the most self-serving terms in history.
But I could never blame him for the 9/11 attacks. NOBODY saw that coming.
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http://www.reuters.com/printerFriendlyPopup.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=388817

Which way is it?

If he was sooo much a threat, then why didn't he take care of him during his 8 year watch?

What a grandstanding carpet-bagger!
Homebrew Offline
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Hmmmmm,
"Carpetbagger" ??????? That term usually is reserved for Yankees, who exploit southerners. Not the other way around.
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
P.S. I know my southern heritage is showing. American by birth, Southern by the Grace of God. LOL
DrMaddVibe Offline
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He's a resident of New York.

PS...You mentioned God.

Better circle your wagons....
Homebrew Offline
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Yes Clinton is a resident of New York,
LOL He's not in my beloved south anymore. Yeah.
But he is from the south, so he can't be a carpetbagger. Maybe a pervert, but if I had a wife like Hilary, I'd cheat too. You can call him alot of things, but carpetbagger doesn't fit.
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
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