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Im sorry about that Rick, it won’t happen again, you have my word. I just got frustrated, I just want to know the answers to these questions, become more in tune with the people around me and on this board. Yelling is not going to work, we all need to work together. A house divided can not stand.

Rick let me ask you this, you said homeland security. we've never had it.

Ok, but there never has been a repeat of 9/11 yet, so somebody must be doing something right one would think?

The anthrax in the mail is gone too. I feel safer now then on 9/11

65gtoman

the patriot act was passed by the congress and the senate without even reading it, no less discusing it.

the name was well chosen by ashcroft.

before this "act" we were protected against unresonable search and seizure, unless you happenned to be black. we were safe in our homes. our phones were not tapped without a court order requested from a judge with adequate reasons for the request. attourney-client privilege existed. yuou as a person could not be spied on, least of all in your church.

the patriot act gives the justice department, john ashcroft, unrestricted access to any one at any time.

here is one website that will give you a better understanding of the dangers

http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/04.02A.JVB.Patriot.htm

Also, I would like to know you some of you liberals think about articles like this one. Would you agree with anything in here?


Anti-war Protesters Border on Treason
Wilson C. Lucom
Tuesday, April 1, 2003
Some of the anti-war protesters are unpatriotic and disloyal, and their actions border on treason.
Anti-war demonstrators can demonstrate legally and peacefully all they want when there is no war. However, when war starts, all Americans must unite behind the president and the troops so that the U.S. will not be hampered by these protesters creating negative, uninformed public opinion against the president, thereby harming the war effort of the troops.
The president and the secretary of defense are the only ones who actually know what is happening and what will occur in the future in the war. The protesters and the rest of the people just do not have this same information and cannot make informed, accurate judgments on the progress of the war or how to fight this war.
When they "Monday morning quarterback," they are very wrong because they did not have all the available facts the president and secretary of defense have.
It is very wrong to try to fight the war in response to polls taken after every military action that dictate how the military should fight the war – especially when many of the polls are taken by supporters of the enemy, whose anti-American purpose is to damage the U.S. troops fighting the war.
There is nothing the United States could do to win the propaganda war in the Arab countries.The reason is very simple: "Birds of a feather flock together no matter what." No more discussion of this point is needed.
Arab demonstrations and Arab polls must be disregarded; otherwise, we are letting enemy propaganda and enemy opinion call the shots about how we fight the war. This never should be allowed.
We said some of the war protesters’ actions are unpatriotic, disloyal and border on treason. We do not say all, because many of the protesters are against war, as we are, but when war is declared by our president the protesters must stop protesting and support the president and troops until the war is over, when they may protest once again.
The troops are fighting for the protesters’ right to protest – but to protest at the right time, which is not during wartime.
The protesters are supporting Saddam Hussein, who forbids protests and even kills protesters. They are being led and manipulated by the Old Left Communist helpers from the Vietnam War.
They felt abandoned and powerless when Communism fell but remained in place waiting for the next chance to try gain power to reduce the United States to a second- or third-rate nation and install socialism throughout the world. Old dogs never change their habits.
The vast majority of American people support President Bush and the war effort, but the media wrongly build up the anti-war protesters and make them appear more important and powerful than they are. We need to tell the media to stop doing this.
The Socialist-Communist organizers of these protest demonstrations will never stop trying to bring down the U.S. government, so we do not appeal to them. Instead, we call upon all legitimate anti-war protesters to stop their protests until the war is over so they will not be harming the troops and the war effort. When the war is over, they can once again protest.
Wilson C. Lucom is vice-chairman of Accuracy In Media and served in the State Department during the administration of Franklin Roosevelt.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/4/1/24950.shtml

Reading, this is what I see


some anti-war protesters are unpatriotic and disloyal, and their actions border on treason.

protesters creating negative, uninformed public opinion against the president, thereby harming the war effort of the troops.
Arab demonstrations and Arab polls must be disregarded; otherwise, we are letting enemy propaganda and enemy opinion call the shots about how we fight the war
The troops are fighting for the protesters’ right to protest – but to protest at the right time, which is not during wartime.
The protesters are supporting Saddam Hussein, who forbids protests and even kills protesters. They are being led and manipulated by the Old Left Communist helpers from the Vietnam War.
The vast majority of American people support President Bush and the war effort, but the media wrongly build up the anti-war protesters and make them appear more important and powerful than they are.
The Socialist-Communist organizers of these protest demonstrations will never stop trying to bring down the U.S. government


That’s a few things that pops right out as I read this. Not that I take this for fact, I just would like to hear some liberal views on this

Thank you.

So could you explain to more about what you said right here john: socialism and communism are economic theories/practices

And right here: in fact, many have argued that socialism is the truest democracy, and that capitalism leadds to oligarchy

And what you said right here: it nowhere says in our constitutional documents that we must be a capitalist state.

What would be your idea of a prefect America? Sounds like you have some? I want to just here some new ideas, please explain in more detail.

Thank you

Sorry to point this out GTOman,
But you are sounding more and more facist. Anyone who doesn't agree with you, is "UnAmerican??" Liberals are all communist-socialist. Look up facist, everything fits, except the totalitarian government, which you seem to long for, by basically gegenerating, anyone who doesn't agree with you. I kept hoping this thread would die, so I didn't post this, but you need to at least understand the terminology, before you use it. Especially if you are going to use the term to define others. I will not post to this thread again, because you keep spewing the same nonsense, and hatred. Until this thread, I actually liked you, but now I see that you are just another hatemonger.
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)