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WAY COOL or as my DI use to say " OUT STANDING " ! JonR

Fantastic!

I'm not a Bush supporter but that was way too kool. X

eleltea

Don't be too hard on Rick see his picture post here:

http://www.cigarbid.com/...ageDisplay=0000000016839

The credit should not go to Bush, but to his staff. Great bolstering move. Looks like their gearing up for an Election. Don't like the guy much, but I like the moves.

Crass political posturing. I laugh at all this fawning over GWB. Whatever. Expect to see these pictures in political ads in a handful of months. Then you'll know why he really went.

Oh, and now it serves well to distract from the growing incompetence of the whole Iraq mission. Am I to understand this?

"Sure, things are going horribly wrong, with no exit plan, and no real progress toward anything. Sure there is a ton of corruption in the awarding of contracts. And so on. BUT BUSH ATE TURKEY WITH SOME SOLDIERS IN IRAQ!!!"

Please. Give me a break. Worship someone worthy of your energy.

Are you implying Bush/Cheney/Powell are akin to Moe/Larry/Curly? We might agree on that! lol! You are a clown, at best.

But maybe you are right. Maybe we should abolish universities and replace them with job training programs. While we're at it, let's get rid of the arts too. Who needs them, right? It is better that the populace not learn to think, but only to follow.

Yo jdrabinski: Honk ! Honk ! I did not say to abolish universities, however I do say abolish the teaching of philosophy ( what a worthless piece of time consuming crap ). Wasn't it Aristotle who once said " Free hemlock, why make mine a double ". JonR

It is indeed a blind man who can’t see that he is blind.

jdrabinski
I look at thing in a different perspective than you. This might come from the harsh realities of life which college did not prepare me for. Your questions while in themselves are not offensive but the manner in which they are presented are. If you have ever risked your life and safety for anything other than yourself I apologize for saying you lived a sheltered professorial existence. If not do not judge the Commander and Chief for his actions and play them off as a stunt or purely a photo op. He went there and made a difference. How about you telling us about something you have done to make a difference other than running your soup cooler about how the President is just using people. You have a right to say what you want alot of people have died for you to have it and alot more will die for you to keep it. How about just saying thank you and letting it go.

Intel, you have an unhealthy worship of the military. It seems only the military (in which Bush, of course, did not serve...what he did was go awol on the most honorable form of draft dodging) lives a life worthy of respect. That is in itself an unhealthy and utter absurd way to see the world. There are other ways to live and they are just as meaningful and valuable. As usual, I suspect your hostility to my education derives mainly from resentment, knowing you couldn't cut it and had to do something different with your life.

Since the military means so much to you, you might be impressed with the long history of profound sacrifices my family has made in this nation's military. We've earned the right to have some son's who don't march off to die for some meaningless cause like this one in Iraq. Believe me, we've earned it. As far as what I've risked and sacrificed...first, it's none of your business. Personal info. that I don't care to share with anonymous, hostile people who don't even use their real names on a bbs. Second, that has NOTHING to do with the President's visit to Baghdad, now does it? Diversion? I think so. Bush II never risked life and limb for his country, so direct that criticism there too, ok? Oh...you won't. Why not? I am curious about THAT answer.

Ironic that you think you are the one who knows and respects the soldier. But you are the one cheerleading this pointless losing of life and limb. For shame! You guys act like this is a western film, with your homoerotic relation to the swaggering hero. This isn't a movie.

Yeah, he's a real ray of sunshine in a dark world.

jdrabanski
I do not now or have ever served in the U.S. Armed Forces. My respect comes from having several friends and acquaintances die in military actions since Panama. I know their sacrifice I have seen what it costs their families and all, I repeat all, of them have told me they know there love ones died for what they believed in.
As for not cutting it, I graduated at the top of my class in college. I went to a medium size private liberal arts college were most of my professors did not know the real world from anything other than books.
As for the sacrifice part thank God there are people like your family members who carried the torch of freedom so you did not have to.
As for my real name you can call me Dave or Officer which ever you want but when I get up in the morning and put myself on the line keep in mind people defend your freedoms everyday both near and far. Just say thanks and leave it at that
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"If you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem"

JJ That was Cool What GWB Did... as Commander and Chief!!! he took allot of Risks!!!!! two thumbs Up!!!!

Hog

don't bounce around the Issue here John... this post is in Recognition to GWB and the Troops.. can you produce a DD214 or not?? if not you really don't have any say on how the Troops really feel then do you? like as in Been there Done that?? Myself I spent Thanksgiving 1999 in PSAB Saudi Arabia.. where were you on that day in 1999?? then you have the Stupidity to come on board this Thread and Blast your Horn???

Get a Life Pal because your taking up to much time with your drivell Here... I think you suffer from Only Child Syndrome??
Yes I did leave once.. but I can Produce the Email of the many friends who asked me to reconsider... and also the one thread where you stated you knew you could draw me out of the woodwork... I got your Whiner Swingin!!!!!

Hog

In the future I will replace the word " Philosopher " with the word " Crapserver ". JonR

Have you thought about Counceling John???

Seriously I think you need to look into it... You got some deep Issues that need to be addressed!!!!

Hog

Slimboli,

"Everybody should just step back from this thread"

IMHO…

Most posters in this thread wanted to acknowledge the President's visit to Baghdad. Some were not even Bush fans, bless their open minds. Then some one decided he just had to "fart in church." The result, some posters decided to comment the on the quality of the fart. If you feel compelled to do the control thing, act on the actor(s) not everyone.

It really was a stinker. (;->>

Said through a handheld loudspeaker: "PUT THE FART SMELLS DOWN AND STEP AWAY FROM THE THREAD... I REPEAT PUT THE JDRABINSKI DOWN AND STEP AWAY FROM THIS THREAD " !! JonR

Thanks Slim, but I really think that it should play out.

Disdain towards certain professions equates to an inferiority complex?
Is that a standard Liberal Twist, or simply egotistical self promotion?

The best part is the irony of the statement itself.
I'm sure you'll figure it out.

Quote from jdrabinski:

“I never said this meant nothing to troops. But I will say that they've been used by Bush and you, of all people, should think that is shameful.”

Quote from usahog:

“can you produce a DD214 or not?? if not you really don't have any say on how the Troops really feel then do you? like as in Been there Done that?? Myself I spent Thanksgiving 1999 in PSAB Saudi Arabia.. where were you on that day in 1999??”

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Hog, I totally agree. I try to pay respect to everyone’s opinion, but in this case I believe yours has a bit more validity. As someone who has “been there done that” I believe your point of view on this is more valid than someone who hasn't. Thanks hog for "being there" in ’99, I’m sure you did our country proud while you were there, just like our troops are currently doing us proud now.

Who else has paid their dues and wants to add their opinion? Would a president flying 40 hours round trip, spending time away from their family, serving YOU food, and speaking to you or your peers raise your spirits?

Oh hell, I might as well wade into this one too. I think it was a really cool thing for the president to visit with the troops. It's always a cool thing when a president spends time with the troops but even more so in times of conflict. I've been in the presence of both the first President Bush and President Clinton while stationed in Hawaii. They each gave a speech, shook a few hands, waved to the crowd, and posed for photos. It's what presidents do when they visit military bases. Personally, I don't think it's a big deal. I'm not one of those people who gets a big thrill out of shaking someone's hand. But I still respect the fact that they made the effort to show support for the men and women in uniform.

Are the men and women of the military being used as someone has suggested? Of course they are. The armed forces are instruments of political power. Politicians have used the military to further their careers as long as there have been politicians and armed forces. I spent 21 years in uniform. I didn't serve a politician, I served my country. It's the politicians that decide who and when we'll fight. Hopefully, they're also serving their country when they make those decisions.

Fortunately, most of our fellow countrymen have learned to separate the war from the warriors. The military folks deserve our respect and support even if people publicly disagree with the politicians over the merits of the military action.