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UNION OFFICIAL ENDORSES SOCIALISM AFTER UNION BACKED DEAN

(CNSNews.com) - The New York City district council president of a union that recently backed Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean has publicly endorsed socialism at a national conference of the Workers World Party.


http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=\Politics\archive\200312\POL20031219b.html

65igotaman, you need to confess to not reading this article, or to not understanding it. That was a pathetically misinformed subject line.

For once (gulp) I gotta agree with jdrabinski!

Charlie

SteveS

see 4 posts above your's.

Does that mean that because the LogCabinRepublicans Edorse GWB, he is a sorry SOB, for not publically Denouncing them???? When you publically denounce an organization, you risk alienating some of the people within that Organization, that may not agree with the whole platform of the organization. Probably not the smartest move for any candidate.
Just My .02
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
P.S. Some of ya'll hate any Democrat more than Rickamaven, hates Bush. I have no love for either party, as I feel they have both sold out the American people.

The candidate should not have to walk on eggshells each time an extremist group endorses them.

If this gets a lot of media attention, then Dean would have to make some sort of statement to clarify his position. Because Dean is seen as the great white hope by the liberal left, I doubt much will become of this. And in this instance, that is how it should be.

improvise? ... I DON'T know who they are and said so ... I've only heard the name and am under the impression they are rather far to the right ... I guess I could've done some Google research, but knowing more about an extremist group would have nothing to do with my views on the union that endorsed socialism ...

Vermont is a pretty "progressive" state comrade...

SteveS, seriously, why is endorsing socialism anti-american? Socialism is an economic plan and theory. Nowhere is capitalism, an economic plan and theory as well, enshrined in our founding documents.

Calling something 'anti-american' may be in-vogue in conservative circles these days, but it is a dangerous accusation. Especially when an economic system has nothing to do with 'american' other than force of habit.

Logcabin = gay and lesbian???
How did they get their name?

If a house is built by gay men, they use studs.
If built by lesbians, it's all tongue-in-groove....

Hmmmm and I always thought the " The LogCabin Republicans " made LogCabin pancake and waffle syrup. LOL JonR

Socialism IS an economic system, and capitalism IS NOT mentioned (per se) within any of our foundational documents (the Constitution, Declaration of Independence, etc.) HOWEVER, the principles outlining personal property rights which ALL of the founding fathers espoused are at complete loggerheads with the underlying redistribution of wealth at the core of the socialist agenda. All writings put forth by those who founded this great nation advocated the enjoyment of the fruits of ones own labor, not forced partnership with those who are not neccessarily as productive. Lets all remember the context of what we as Americans stand for when we decide that something is or is not unamerican.

CWFoster

absolutely!

let's allow some individuals to hide their wealthe in foriegn banks to avoid paying taxes, and let's move manufacturing jobs overseas so the we can artificially creat a poor class and then let's use them as slaves, by paying them minimum wages with no overtime, except ceo's of major companies who can reward themselves with hugh bonuses regardless of their performances, and let's call it american.

Main Entry: pro·le·tar·i·at
Pronunciation: "prO-l&-'ter-E-&t, -'tar-, -E-"at
Function: noun
Etymology: French prolétariat, from Latin proletarius
Date: 1853
1 : the lowest social or economic class of a community
2 : the laboring class; especially : the class of industrial workers who lack their own means of production and hence sell their labor to live

CWFoster

aye, there's the rub.

i don't know anything about mcdonalds. i ate there once, spit out the first bite, and never went back again. i am more of an arby's kind of guy.

if i knew the answer to your questions, i'd try to start my own country.

even if prices go up and minimum wages go up, at least you get to carry bills of bigger demonation so you think you are richer.

10 years ago japan owned us with their sales of cars. now china can own us because of the production of cheap goods. there was a time when we were owned by the robber barrons, then unions formed and we started to own ourselves and i am not an economist, but i do know something happened then, and now we are destroying the middle class. the guys that went to work at a jo they usually hated, but they had the responsibility of wife and family, they got to buy a home and live the american dream.

congress and the senate went home for the holidays without extending the unemployment benifits an extra 6 or whatever weeks, that was right after they voted the 87 quadrillion dollars to rebuild iraq.

f**k iraq. if they wre that unhappy they should have done what the french did, what the russians did, what we did, what any people being dominated by a dictator should do, start a revolution and throw out the bastards.

all i know is many people in this country did not have christmas food on their table, no less a toy for the kids. and that is the american nightmare.

Rick, I like debating with you! I may not agree with you, but at least you don't lower yourself to the condecnding pseudo-intellectual crap some do (I can think of at least one of those of late)
China has been TAKING some jobs away from us, we have not been sending those jobs overseas. The difference between the two is this. The BIG 3 automakers all have plants in Canada and Mexico, if the United Autoworkers put too much pressure on them, they start closing domestic plants, and maaking those models in Mexico, where they can get a weeks labor for about $100, vice $1500. Yes, it's tragic that the people who lost thier jobs now have no work, but who priced themselves out of the market? At least the profits still get spilt by the mostly American stockholders. If the jobs are lost to China, it means that some company american or otherwise lost the ability to compete (it's damned hard to compete with slave labor, the chinese use convicts) and the jobs and the profits all go to the PRC. Now THERE'S a socialist paradise for you, if you dis the government there, they'll shoot you and bill your family for the bullet! Or put you in prison and make you produce cheap tools that one of the nationalized tool comanies will export to the US so someone will get a new tool set for Christmas. As I said before, our country is far from perfect, but I have been all through the Med, and the Persian Gulf, and I wouldn't want to live in any of those other places. We need to look out for one another, and WE as individuals, need to assist with people going hungry around us, not the government. If I have to have the government MAKE me help my fellow human being, then I'm a pretty sorry ****. The free enterprise system works, but if anything gets put out of balance in any moving system, the system will try to artificailly correct itself. if we price ourselves out of the labor market, and shop for the cheapest prices at the store with the bigger paychecks we get, we will find ourselves out of jobs. I like the idea put forth by Tom Clancy in one of his books. Place the same restrictions on a nations exports to us that they place on our exports to them. If goods are produced by slave-labor, then tax the crap out of them to level the playing field. But if we do this too much, you better like California wines and American cars, forget about Armani suits, and Dominican cigars, because we will have an isolationist economy, and no one will want to trade with us, because their goods cost too much when they finally DO get to the marketplace for anyone to buy them.