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Court: Yelling at teens a crime
RDC Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 01-21-2000
Posts: 5,874
Gimme a friggen break...


http://www.billingsgazette.com/printer.php?ts=1&display=rednews/2004/01/15/stories/state/25-supcoyelling.txt

Court: Yelling at teens a crime

Associated Press

HELENA - Allison Chapman was fed up that night, fed up with teenagers routinely driving the streets of Geraldine playing loud music on their car stereos into the late hours.


But his attempt to discourage the practice was disorderly conduct, for which he was rightly convicted, the Montana Supreme Court has ruled.


A five-judge panel said Tuesday that Chapman's effort to disperse a carful of teens from a public road in front of his house by shouting at them to get out of his town was a crime. Chapman was wrong in arguing that no one's peace was disturbed by his actions, the court said.


Chapman, 38, assailed the high court's decision as depriving him of his constitutional right to free speech.


"They're saying we don't have any constitutional rights - we can't say anything; we have to watch everything we say," he said Wednesday. "If you say anything that anybody at all takes any offense at, you're guilty."


At trial, Chapman admitted he went into the street on the night of Oct. 18, 2001, and scolded Nicholas Scribner and three other area youths in a parked car. He said the kids "spend most every night driving around the town of Geraldine with their car stereos thumping," while Chapman was trying to sleep.


In court papers, he recalled telling the youths, "You can't come into this town and drive around all night disturbing people. I just called the police. You're going to jail tonight."


Chapman, who denied shouting or yelling, acknowledge he was angry and that he used an expletive to order the teens to leave town, even though they were not playing music in the car at the time.


"I have every right to do this," he said.


Three of the children testified that Chapman did yell at them and they were scared as they drove away. Prosecutors said Chapman's use of threatening conduct and language is not speech protected by the constitution and was rightly considered disorderly conduct.


Chapman contended that, since no argument, fight or confrontation was involved, he could not be guilty of a crime.


But the Supreme Court disagreed.


"Because this (event) established a disturbance of the status quo for those three individuals, we conclude it was sufficient to support a jury finding that Chapman was guilty of disorderly conduct," Chief Justice Karla Gray wrote.


But Chapman, who must pay a $50 fine and $600 in court costs, is not about to let the matter drop. The convenience store clerk vowed to challenge the constitutionality of Montana's disorderly conduct law in federal court.


The law says disorderly conduct includes "quarreling, challenging to fight or fighting; making loud or unusual noises; using threatening, profane or abusive language;" blocking traffic; preventing entry or exit from private or public places; and disrupting a legal gathering.


Thom Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 12-08-2003
Posts: 6,117
WTF? I used to get a swat on the rearend from my neighbor lady when I was out of line in the ol' neighborhood.

RICKAMAVEN Offline
#3 Posted:
Joined: 10-01-2000
Posts: 33,248
Chief Justice Karla Gray

must not be of sound mind. if she had to follow the letter of the law, she could have fined him $1.00, waived the fine and put the matter to rest.
contendertotes Offline
#4 Posted:
Joined: 11-12-2003
Posts: 784
Thom .....
"a" swat ?
my friend's grandmother used to chase us swinging a fly swatter.....and we moved !!! our sanctuary was upstairs.....we could hear her but the walker couldn't get her up the steep stairs !
{:>)}~
0patience Offline
#5 Posted:
Joined: 07-20-2003
Posts: 1,023
You have the right to remain silent, should you chose to remain silent, you will held in contempt of court. Should you not remain silent, you will be guilty of offending someone and you will not know if your words offend them until they say so.
If you remain silent and change your facial expression, you will be guilty of being confrontational or menacing.
If you raise your voice, you will be guilty of being threatening or menacing and if you lower your voice you will be guilty of making a mockery of the court.

You may not protect your property, as you will then be violating the law by assault. You may only defend yourself when ALL courses of action to protect yourself have been exhausted.

And people wonder why this world is so messed up.

gorob23 Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 05-11-2003
Posts: 2,323
Thom the problem is She looked likethe "UPS LAdy" and You liked it!!!! ;)
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