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Embarrassed this morning?
eleltea Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 03-03-2002
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Painful to hear all the repeats of the Dean victory speech last night. He sure couldn't remember the names of very many states.

OTOH, Kerry will be a fomidable candidate, if nominated. Might even vote for him myself.

I still think anyone who would want the office shouldn't be allowed to run for it.
Burky4467 Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 12-27-2003
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A-Arizona, Arkansas, Alabama...
al'Thor Offline
#3 Posted:
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anyone got a link to hear that speech - caught the end of it on my way into work over the radio and laughed so hard - I gotta hear it again
chipslave Offline
#4 Posted:
Joined: 06-19-2003
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Couldn't find just the audio but here is the video...

http://www.foxnews.com/access/video.html#332

click on Dean.

Too funny :)
dbguru Offline
#5 Posted:
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Can we say Manic??
Robby Offline
#6 Posted:
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I can't get it to play! It shows their add ok, then just a 2 second snippit of Dean, then it loops...
Robby Offline
#7 Posted:
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I watched his clip on the Kerry clip. It was "interesting"... Libs? This is your front runner? Did he look "presidential" to you?
65gtoman Offline
#8 Posted:
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Embarrassed nope not me,This is why im voting for dean hahahahaha

Lazygardner Offline
#9 Posted:
Joined: 08-20-2002
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Can this man be trusted with the nuclear button? He comes off like a dangerous lunatic.
xibbumbero Offline
#10 Posted:
Joined: 01-25-2002
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LLT,does that go along with not wanting to belong to any club that would have you,LOL? X
eleltea Offline
#11 Posted:
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X, yes. lol
Burky4467 Offline
#12 Posted:
Joined: 12-27-2003
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Just saw it on "Around the Horn"-ESPN. What a dumb ass. He sounds like Jesse "The Body" Ventura. Wrestler turned mayor. Hey you can act like an idiot and get elected to public offfice!!!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#13 Posted:
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What You Don’t Know About John Kerry
Chuck Noe, NewsMax.com
Tuesday, Jan. 20, 2004
With his win in Iowa, Sen. John Kerry could be on his way to the White House. But most Americans are unaware of the real Kerry.
Here are facts and quotations that reveal the character of the new Democrat leader.


Denouncing America with ‘Hanoi’ Jane: Although Wesley Clark and others have attacked former front-runner Howard Dean as a draft-dodging ski bum, Kerry is far more complex than the simple war hero he portrays himself as.
He became a celebrated organizer for one of America's most extreme appeasement groups, Vietnam Veterans Against the War. He consorted with the likes of “Hanoi” Jane Fonda and Ramsey Clark, Lyndon Johnson’s radical former attorney general.

He attended a seminar bankrolled by Fonda in Detroit in February 1971. Watching 125 self-proclaimed Vietnam veterans testify at a Howard Johnson’s about atrocities allegedly committed by U.S. forces, the man who would be president later said he found the accounts shocking and irrefutable.

Dubbed “The Winter Soldier Investigation,” the protest attracted minimal media attention, according to the Los Angeles Times, because Fonda insisted it be held in the remote Michigan city rather than the less “authentic” Washington, D.C.

Still, the event gave Kerry an idea for a protest that was sure to be a media smash, and he immediately set out to organize one of the most confrontational protests of the war.

Operation Dewey Canyon III began on April 18, 1971, when nearly 1,000 Vietnam veterans and people claiming to be veterans gathered on Washington’s Mall for what they called “a limited incursion into the country of Congress.”

The group staged mock firefights on the steps of the Capitol and Supreme Court and defied U.S. Park Police after the Department of Justice issued an injunction barring it from camping on the Mall.


Those evil American soldiers: Testifying before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on April 23, 1971, Kerry claimed that U.S. soldiers had “raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam.”

‘We are not the best’: In his testimony, Kerry claimed there was no communist threat and said: “In 1970 at West Point Vice President Agnew said ‘some glamorize the criminal misfits of society while our best men die in Asian rice paddies to preserve the freedom which most of those misfits abuse,’ and this was used as a rallying point for our effort in Vietnam. But for us, as boys in Asia whom the country was supposed to support, his statement is a terrible distortion from which we can only draw a very deep sense of revulsion, and hence the anger of some of the men who are here in Washington today. It is a distortion because we in no way consider ourselves the best men of this country ….”
U.S. Veteran Dispatch noted in 1996: “Kerry's testimony, it should be noted, occurred while some of his fellow Vietnam veterans were known by the world to be enduring terrible suffering as prisoners of war in North Vietnamese prisons. Kerry was a supporter of the ‘People's Peace Treaty,’" a supposed ‘people's’ declaration to end the war, reportedly drawn up in communist East Germany. It included nine points, all of which were taken from Viet Cong peace proposals at the Paris peace talks as conditions for ending the war.”


Throw as I say, not as I do: On that same day he led members of VVAW in a protest during which they threw their medals and ribbons over a fence in front of the U.S. Capitol.
Kerry later admitted the medals he threw were not his. To this day they hang on the wall of his office.


Communist stooge: The communist Daily World delightedly published photos of him speaking to demonstrators and boasted that the marchers displayed a banner depicting a portrait of Communist Party leader Angela Davis, on record stating, “I am dedicated to the overthrow of your system of government and your society,” the New American recalled in May 2003.
“By frequently participating in VVAW’s demonstrations, Kerry found himself marching alongside what the Boston Herald Traveler identified as ‘revolutionary Communists.’ While noting that known Reds had openly organized these events, the December 12, 1971 Herald Traveler reported the presence of an ‘abundance of Vietcong flags, clenched fists raised in the air, and placards plainly bearing legends in support of China, Cuba, the USSR, North Korea and the Hanoi government.’"

Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry says: “As a national leader of VVAW, Kerry campaigned against the effort of the United States to contain the spread of Communism. He used the blood of servicemen still in the field for his own political advancement by claiming that their blood was being shed unnecessarily or in vain.

“Under Kerry's leadership, VVAW members mocked the uniform of United States soldiers by wearing tattered fatigues marked with pro-communist graffiti. They dishonored America by marching in demonstrations under the flag of the Viet Cong enemy.”

Sen. John McCain revealed that his North Vietnamese captors had used reports of Kerry-led protests to taunt him and his fellow prisoners. Retired General George S. Patton III angrily noted that Kerry’s actions had “given aid and comfort to the enemy.”

In recent years when Kerry has exploited the Vietnam Veterans Memorial for photo opportunities on Veterans Day, some veterans, still outraged by his betrayal, have turned their backs on him.


The book he doesn’t want you to see: When Kerry ran for election to the U.S. House of Representative in 1972, “he found it necessary to suppress reproduction of the cover picture appearing on his own book, The New Soldier. His political opponent pointed out that it depicted several unkempt youths crudely handling an American flag to mock the famous photo of the U.S. Marines at Iwo Jima,” according to Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry.
“Suddenly, copies of the book became unavailable and even disappeared from libraries. But the Lowell (Mass.) Sun said of the type of person shown on its cover: ‘These people spit on the flag, they burn the flag, they carry the flag upside down, [and] they all but wipe their noses with it in their efforts to show their contempt for everything it still stands for,’” the New American reported.

Even today it is hard to find this infamous photo and book.


Friendly with the enemy: Kerry’s fondness for Vietnam’s communist dictatorship, one of the most oppressive in the world, continues.
As chairman of the Select Senate Committee on POW/MIA Affairs, created in 1991 to investigate reports that U.S. prisoners of war and soldiers designated missing in action were still alive in Vietnam, Kerry badgered the panel into voting that no American servicemen remained in Vietnam.

“[N]o one in the United States Senate pushed harder to bury the POW/MIA issue, the last obstacle preventing normalization of relations with Hanoi, than John Forbes Kerry,” noted U.S. Veteran Dispatch.

“But Kerry's participation in the Committee became controversial in December 1992,” reported the nonpartisan Center for Public Integrity, “when Hanoi announced that it had awarded Colliers International, a Boston-based real estate company, an exclusive deal to develop its commercial real estate potentially worth billions. Stuart Forbes, the CEO of Colliers, is Kerry's cousin.”

The “odd coincidence,” according to FrontPageMagazine.com, involved a deal worth $905 million.

Jeff Jacoby, the token conservative columnist at the Boston Globe, notes that Kerry continues his apologia for Vietnam's never-ending atrocities. "Far from taking the lead on the Vietnam Human Rights Bill, he has prevented it from coming to a vote. He claims that making an issue of Hanoi's repression would be counterproductive."


Kerry is also a fan of China’s communist dictatorship. “On May 19, 1994, five years after Tiananmen Square, Kerry spoke on the Senate floor against linking China's Most Favored Nation trade status to its human rights record,” Slate reported.

Kerry said: “China is the strongest military power in Asia. We need China's cooperation. We cannot afford to adopt a cold-war kind of policy that merely excludes and pushes China away.”

Limiting China's MFN status “would make us a bit player in a production of enormous proportions. We possess no stick, including MFN, which can force China to embrace internationally recognized human rights and freedoms.”


More extreme than Hillary and Kucinich: Among the White House wannabes, long-shot Rep. Dennis Kucinich has the reputation of holding the most left-wing congressional voting record. In fact, this “honor” goes to Kerry.
According to American Conservative Union, Kerry has a lifetime rating of 6 percent, compared to 13 for the demolished Rep. ****** Gephardt, 14 for Sen. John Edwards, 15 for Kucinich and 19 for Sen. Joe Lieberman.

Sens. Hillary Clinton and Tom Daschle score 13 percent. Only the likes of Sens. Teddy Kennedy and Barbara Boxer have more left-wing records than Kerry. In contrast, Sen. John Breaux, one of the upper chamber’s few remaining moderate Democrats, has a 46.



Drive as I say, not as I do: Like Al Gore and other self-described environmentalists, Kerry has a radical agenda that would devastate the U.S. economy in favor of the likes of communist China, yet he enjoys the gas-guzzling modern conveniences that greens denounce. Kerry, a delegate to the environment-destroying Earth Summit in 1992 (where he met his future wife, left-wing activist Teresa Heinz, the multimillionaire widow of GOP Sen. John Heinz), the Kyoto climate talks in 1997 and the Hague Conference of the U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change in 2000, has attacked President Bush for withdrawing from the anti-U.S. Kyoto Protocol. This treaty, which then-President Bill Clinton had signed, would impose severe restrictions on the United States but not Third World polluters that already enjoy huge trade surpluses with the U.S.
However, although Kerry spouts the party line on anti-U.S. ecopolicy, he doesn’t like to practice what he preaches. Kerry was humiliated in April 2002 when photographed attending a rally against energy independence and then heading back to his SUV, the symbol of all that is evil to greens.



Bone to pick: Bush-hating conspiracy theorists find it alarming that the president, like his father, was a member of the secretive Skull and Bones society at Yale University. Another alum of this club: John Kerry.

Waffling on Iraq: Kerry has the tough job of wooing Howard Dean’s anti-war Democrats despite his support of the war in Iraq. His favorite tactic, claiming the president outfoxed him, doesn’t hold up to scrutiny.
On “Meet the Press” in late August, Tim Russert played a tape of Kerry addressing the Senate in October 2002 with a hard-line speech declaring Iraq “capable of quickly producing weaponizing” of biological weapons that could be delivered against “the United States itself.”

Kerry insisted: “That is exactly the point I’m making. We were given this information by our intelligence community.”

However, as columnist Robert Novak noted, “as a senator, Kerry had access to the National Intelligence Estimate that was skeptical of Iraqi capability. Being tricky may no longer be as effective politically as it once was.”

No doubt Dean, Lieberman, Clark and other rivals will now use these and other details to do to Kerry what the Democrats did to Dean.

CWFoster Offline
#14 Posted:
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Throw as I say, not as I do: On that same day he led members of VVAW in a protest during which they threw their medals and ribbons over a fence in front of the U.S. Capitol.
Kerry later admitted the medals he threw were not his. To this day they hang on the wall of his office.

I've been relating this story and one that was not mentioned above to anyone who will read my posts. This man is dangerous! He has ended the career of a covert CIA officer, by leaking unfounded reports from a closed Senate subcommittee hearing. His motive? To embarrass the Reagan administration over Iran-Contra! And we wonder why our intelligence services have been doing so poorly in the 90's.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#15 Posted:
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CWFoster

i remember reading about his symbolic throwing of medals he bought. it could have been one of your posts.

how could the reagan iran/contra story be any more embarrassing then the "october surprise."

as i recall, iran/contra was an illegal act by this country.
eleltea Offline
#16 Posted:
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You would think that Vietnam was a conservative/Republican war, listening to the posts from all sides of the political spectrum.

Although we had a handful of "advisors" there during the Eisenhower administrtion, it was the hawkish JFK who escalated Nam to war level and who 'authorized' the assassination of Diem --which took place 3 weeks before his own.

Lyndon Baines Johnson was destroyed by Nam, but first he escalated it exponentially, following JFK's lead and inheriting all of JFK's advisors on the war. LBJ was the man in the old Chinese saying: Man who mounts tiger cannot dismount. The widely despised Nixon, for all his tragic flaws, got us out of Nam and into bed with Mao's China. This picture seems upside down, doesn't it?

Jane Fonda was a casualty of the war, too. Perhaps her wounds would not have been mortal had she stayed in Hollywood, but she strayed into friendly fire in enemy territory. Clinton protested on foreign soil, too, but not THAT foreign.

Kerry came home wounded. If also psychologically wounded as well, at least he had an excuse, and came by his wounds with courage. All of us were hurt at least a little, who lived through that time. And if you didn't live though that time, you really won't understand. Maybe Kerry has recovered from his wounds. Maybe not. Let's watch and listen.
dbguru Offline
#17 Posted:
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And where was bush in 71????

Can we say drunken frat boy???
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#18 Posted:
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i was in a video rental store to rent "the quiet american" because i like michael caine. the girl behind the counter pointed out another pre vietnam war movie, the name of which escapes me.

when i asked her how she knew about the other movie, she said "we are studing the vietnam war in HISTORY CLASS."

the difference between the age groups, jolted me. i had never talked to anyone about that era who wasn't alive at that time.

i always thought of history as the middle ages and the history of rome and it's fall.
eleltea Offline
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You voted for Nero, didn't you Rick.
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