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Fox seeks to open U.S. borders
RDC Offline
#1 Posted:
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Posts: 5,874
NO F'KN WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040112-123619-8557r.htm

yesterday said he favors open borders across North America, not amnesty for his countrymen illegally residing in the United States.
The alien work program announced last week by President Bush would not encourage aliens to remain in the United States, because they love their home country, the Mexican president told the "Fox News Sunday" program.
"We are not looking for an amnesty [for] Mexico. It's not that we're looking for these Mexicans working productively in the United States to become U.S. citizens. They like tacos, they like their families, they like their community, they like Mexico. Unfortunately, they don't have the opportunities that they would like to have as persons, so that's why they move," Mr. Fox said.
Mr. Fox said all immigration barriers should be removed to allow people to live and work in the country of their choosing, whether it be Mexico, the United States or Canada.
"On the long term, this North American bloc can be the leading bloc on the world and be the most competitive bloc on the world by working together and, through that, be able to keep increasing the quality and the level of life of our citizens," Mr. Fox said.
Mr. Bush heads to northern Mexico today to participate in the Summit of the Americas talks in Monterrey. A key subject will be his proposal allowing millions of Mexicans in this country illegally to remain for three years if they have jobs that citizens don't want.
Mr. Bush began lobbying Congress to pass a new alien work program in 2001, but the issue was sidelined after the September 11 terrorist attacks and renewed concerns over border security.
Critics say the program amounts to amnesty for illegal aliens because they can reapply for a second permit and stay in the United States an additional three years.
Commerce Secretary Donald L. Evans said there will be no guarantees for alien workers in this program.
"No guarantee they'll be able to stay permanently, and no guarantee they won't be able to stay permanently," Mr. Evans told CNN's "Late Edition."
"And what the president has said is that we've got to get a system in place that only allows legal immigrants to take jobs that may otherwise go to an American. It also will make our borders a lot safer."
Critics say the timing is suspect and that the proposal is an election-year ploy to garner Hispanic votes. Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut called it "an election-year conversion by George Bush."
The proposal is "a little step forward, but not enough," Mr. Lieberman told CNN. "We've got to find a way to make them legal, have them contribute to the system, become part of the American family, and then start again at trying to make the flow of immigration in here legal and not illegal."
National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice said the program will give Mexican workers "dignity."
"I can't think of anything better for a worker who has worked under these circumstances, kind of in the shadows in the United States, to finally have a way to come out of the shadows, to have certain protections that are not there now because they're having to live in the shadows, to have recognized that they are an important part of a strong American economy, and to get that kind of status," she said in a press briefing on Friday.
The Mexican government also will be expected to do a better job policing its border to protect its citizens, she said.
"The Mexican government doesn't like to see people trying to cross the border illegally, particularly because, just in even humanitarian terms, the harshness of what faces these people when they try to walk across the Rio Grande is really, really awful," Miss Rice said.
In addition to migration, world leaders at the summit will discuss the implications of international terrorism and poverty.
Mr. Bush meets today with Mr. Fox, Chilean President Ricardo Lagos and Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva.
Tomorrow, Mr. Bush will have his first private meeting with Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin, and later meet with President Nestor Kirchner of Argentina and Bolivian President Carlos Mesa.

RICKAMAVEN Offline
#2 Posted:
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why not go south to panama, brazil, chile, i'm sure there is work there.

bush is just looking for cheap labor.
65gtoman Offline
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This is a free country, all our borders should be open to anyone at anytime.

That’s what makes this country great.


pabloescabar Offline
#4 Posted:
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I DONT THINK SO!
RDC Offline
#5 Posted:
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65GTO...been sniffin the Nitrous again?
rck_1 Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 01-28-2003
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Rick,
They dont go south because those country`s dont have the system for them to suck off of like the united states. And if the country does have it they dont allow just anyone to suck off of it.

I believe our borders should be open to anyone but, there should be some checks and balances before someone can enter this country of mine to live!
Can you speak english fluently?
Are you educated? By american standards?
have you been convicted of a crime?
Do you have any skills? and so forth!!!!
I think the united states is way to lenient on who it lets passed our borders to live here and become a citezen.
Just my .02
Happy Herf`n
Rob
65gtoman Offline
#7 Posted:
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RDC, How do you think your family got to America? Through an open border of course.

We have plenty of money compared to Mexico.

Why should all them people suffer over their when we can give them some of our money, land and jobs to help out.

If one has 10 hotdogs, and everyone else has none, you can spare 9 1/2 hotdogs and still eat.

They just want a better life for themselves. You all need to learn tolerance and love, we the people of the world should all be equal for better or worse.

xibbumbero Offline
#8 Posted:
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Okay..who the hell is this,LOL? X
Robby Offline
#9 Posted:
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If we were "tolerant" of all the underprivileged who want to come to this country, this would no longer be a great country. It would be the cesspool that much of the rest of the world is. We had immigration to this country, massive immigration, at a time when we needed massive immigration. We needed people to colonize the land we stole fair and square from the Indians. At this point, "we don't need massive immigration..." We need to control our boarders and we need people who can help this country, not necessarily people for this country to help.
dbguru Offline
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This is not about give me your tired, poor and yearning huddled masses.....

This is basically about a green light to many businesses here to open up sweat shop operations and exploit poor Latino ex-patriots into indentured serivtude. If this bill was tied to jobs at a livable minimum wage for these immigrants and they had some viable way to use this opportunity for citizenship, then I would see merit in the effort. I don't see that being promoted in this program.

I'm highly concerned that what Bush may be promoting as an opportunity for immigrants may simple become "Rent-a-Latino slave to benetit my corporate friends profits". There have just been too many proposals and promotions from this admin that is called one thing but in reality is something else.

For example... Yeah we have lower unemployment. But what that really means is that more people have given up on finding jobs. No Child left behind means slashes in programs and funding that help children. How many other examples like this can you come up with.

You might think this is the concerns of a lefty liberal, but I was a republican state deligate twice in the 80s and have voted independently for both parties througout my adult life. I've become so extremely suspicious of the Bush Jr. doublespeak that I have simple no possiblity to ever trust his word ever.
And I really did trust his dad.

DB
65gtoman Offline
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http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_1_the_illegal_alien.html

The Illegal-Alien Crime Wave
(City Journal) Some of the most violent criminals at large today are illegal aliens. Yet in cities where the crime these aliens commit is highest, the police cannot use the most obvious tool to apprehend them.








rayder1 Offline
#12 Posted:
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Unfortunately the "open arms" policy which "made our country great" was established during the industrial revolution. In those days, there was a great need for more people to populate the industrial workforce.

Now our population outnumbers the available jobs. Citizens are not willing to work at jobs that pay less, and offer less benefits than welfare, disability and medicare.

We need to reevaluate our easy social system and get the people we have here employed and off the dole. My sister in law discovered that if she stayed unemployed, the State of Missouri will pay her not to work, provide day care for her kids and give her food to eat.

If our country had a cure for laziness and provided cost effective or subsidized day care for working people they can clean up some of our own domestic problems. We need to stop trying to be the employer of the third world and get our own people back to work.
pabloescabar Offline
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i think we must start running guns, and get the peoples
of them other countries hooked on pharmaceuticals and pay them to stay in their own country selling drugs see what happens then maybe all the lazy loosers will go their get high die and stop being a burden on the AMERICAS
contendertotes Offline
#14 Posted:
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OPEN THE BORDERS ??? no , just need to "aquire" mexico ! alot of our factories are down there anyway and yet they still come crawling ,swimming and running across the border. if they can't secure the border....take over mexico ! our toys are better than the ones they've got !! we could take'em ! get the theme parks down there ! exploit it into a real good tourist trap ! casinos !!! make so many jobs down there they couldn't reproduce enough to fill all the jobs. site seeing tours....anything ! see someone being lazy and not working start pimping them !!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$ hookers.... cha-ching and thier economy goes up !! keep-em down there !
0patience Offline
#15 Posted:
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65gtoman,
I don't agree with the thought that the borders should be open. This is the reason that we spend extra money to pay for bi-lingual aides or teachers in schools and why bi-lingual people receive preferance for alot of jobs.

"How do you think your family got to America? Through an open border of course."
Sorry, but I am a native american (indian) and my ancestors were already here. So I suppose that my ideas on this subject may be a little tainted.
penzt8 Offline
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When Europeans began coming to the new land (AKA America) times were different than they are today. Pack then, much of the world was on fairly equal footing. Sure, some societies were more advanced than others but for the most part we were farmers, fishermen, tradesmen, and such.

The people that came here worked hard to build a great country. They were explorers and inventors and risk takers. Of course, along the way, they also killed millions of indigenous people to take their land. Sadly, that's the way the world was and still is in some countries.
While many countries plodded our ancestors advanced. They threw off an oppressive monarchy to earn our freedom, and instituted a better form of government. We fought a civil war amongst ourselves.

Now, that all the risk and war and hard work has been done and we are prosperous, the slackers that didn't have the brains, the willpower, or the balls to do it in there own country now think that we should let them come here.

Well I say make them compete for it fairly. And I don't mean taking jobs that supposedly Americans don't want to do. I believe there are Americans that are willing to do those jobs, just not for the $2.00 an hour that illegal immigrants will work for.

Set up an employment agency in Mexico for all of them to register for American jobs. When an employer has a need for an employee he can go to the agency and hire someone. But the employer must pay the federal minimum wage, provide health care, and other benefits that they would be required to pay if they hired a US citizen. When an employer breaks the law, send them to jail!

When an illegal alien is caught send him back and make him ineligible for the employment program. If he shows up again, break his legs and send him back. The border area should be a free fire zone. We have a right and a duty to protect our borders from invaders.

What makes Mexico special? Why not let every impoverished nation that wants to send its people here just load them into 747's and drop them off at the first available US airport.

end of rant!
0patience Offline
#17 Posted:
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great post penzt8.
I don't see a problem with immigrants, per se.
If they go through the proper procedures, then they have worked hard to become citizens and proven their desire to come to the US. What irks me is when there is enough illegal immigrants that it requires states to hire bi-linguals to teach kids or work.

My neighbor just got his citizenship, he imigrated from Russia and he had to learn english and be able to speak english. It took him 10 years to go through the entire process, but he took everything in the requirements literally and abided by them. When asked what he thinks of the situation with the bi-lingual stuff and illegals, he is probably more angry about it than US born citizens.

I also have a good friend who was born in Canada and lives in the US. He went through a lengthy process for dual citizenship and until it was finalized, had to prove that he had gainful employment in the US and was not a burden to the US. Should he have lost his job at anytime, he could have been deported.

penzt8 Offline
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