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So you're holding a grudge against Mel because his dad is a jerk?

Pray tell, how does this make sense? Can't a son look to his father as a bad example and right the wrongs he saw in his own father?

Do your own kids follow lock-step with you on every belief or action you take? Should they be held accountable for your actions?

It's okay to forgive.

The ONLY reason this Archie Bunker throw-back is getting ANY attention is because he's Mel's dad!

That makes it a grudge.

RICKAMAVEN why are you picking on mel, he didn’t do anything, his father did.

And the Jews killed Jesus

I would like to take this moment to thank the Jews lol

hehehe im just kidding rick

If that were true...you wouldn't have posted the link or opened up the issue.

What is the purpose of this posting (link) to begin with? Rick, make a point, don't throw something out there like this with no stance.........oh, sorry, that is what you do most of the time!!!!LOL

Charlie

Did anyone see his interview on primetime? He was babbling like he was on crank. Kind of funny, he is not too far removed from his character in Lethal Weapon.

He really didn't make a lot of sense. Diane Sawyer's producer had to cut the interview into pieces to get some sense out of his ramblings.

It sort of reminded me of the David Letterman show where Farah Fawcett showed up so wasted she could hardly get through the show.

JonR

are you remotely suggesting that 8,000,000 people, 6,000,000 of them jews, the rest gypsys, and any other group that fit "the final solution" were not murdered by the nazi regime?

say it out loud. there was not really a holocaust.

no equivocating, i want to see you in writing saying there was no holocaust. those bodies piled high are not real. it never snowed burnt, jewish flesh.

say it so we can see it.

gentlemen... as a favor, a very deeply personal favor, i am asking you not to use the torture and murder of millions of human beings to make your point.

please. please. use another example, but my god, don't use the dust of their trampled, tortured, gassed and burned bodies to prop up your argument. i ask this of you in the name of honor and human dignity -- please.
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Yo Rick: as a wise man once said; " Well there you go again ". You make a statement about Hutton Gibson being anti semetic because of an interview that he gave and when I ask you to prove it ( which can't be done ), you accuse me of not believing in the holocaust. Anti semitism..." hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group ". Then once again you walk on the backs of the dead like you did to our honorable servicemen who died in Vietnam and Iraq saying GWB is responsible for their deaths, It's a wonder you don't blame GWB for the holocaust. Answer my question how Hutton Gibson is anti semitic based on that interview and I'll answer your question on my beliefs of the holocaust. JonR

JonR

it's possible he is a nut case.. some of his remarks:

During his lengthy radio interview, Hutton Gibson, 85, said Jews were out to create "one world religion and one world government" and outlined a conspiracy theory involving Jewish bankers, the US Federal Reserve and the Vatican, among others

STEVE FEUERSTEIN: WHAT WAS THIS EVENT CALLED THE HOLOCAUST?

GIBSON: In the first place the Holocaust is a terrible misnomer. First of all a Holocaust is a burnt
offering to G-d. Now these people were not offering themselves up to G-d. If these people were being killed they were being taken there screaming howling and yelling for they were being persecuted and murdered. That is not a Holocaust. Secondly there were not that many Jews under Hitler's power under his sway. They claimed that there were 6.2 million in Poland before the war and after the war there were 200,000; therefore he (Hitler) must have killed six million of them. They simply got up and left! They were all over the Bronx and Brooklyn and Sydney and Los
Angeles.

STEVE FEUERSTEIN: WHY DO THE JEWS CONSTRUCT HOLOCAUST MUSEUMS?

GIBSON: There are too many survivors. It's just a gimmick to collect money.

They have to go where there is money. There is no way they would come to West Virginia. They have to have some place to go that has money. They didn't work in the mines, you can bet your boots...no, they don't work anywhere where they can out of it. They're great pencil pushers, they are the superior people and therefore they are entitled to the top jobs, supervisory stuff and so on, because they hire each other. They have so much influence in the banks for instance. They all look out for one another you got to give them that. They are at the same time willing to sacrifice a few of theirs if it helps...

STEVE FEUERSTEIN: WHAT DO THE JEWS AIM TO ACHIEVE?

GIBSON: I don't know what their (the Jews') agenda is except that it's all about control. They're after one world religion and one world government. That's why they've attacked the Catholic Church so strongly, to ultimately take control over it by their doctrine and make one world religion and one world government

STEVE FEUERSTEIN: WHAT DO YOU AIM TO ACHIEVE BY SCREENING THE FILM BEFORE
THE VATICAN - WHY DID YOU NEED THE POPE'S APPROVAL?

GIBSON: And anyway somebody said why do you suppose he (the Pope) approved the movie? I said what do you think he would say when it comes out and he disapproved it.

The ones that we have there (in the Vatican) are all involved in the (Jewish) plot

X. JESUS

STEVE FEUERSTEIN: WHAT IS THE PLOT THAT YOU KEEP REFERRING TO?

GIBSON: They (the Sanhedrin) had a good thing going in the temple, they were selling the victims to be sacrificed. And he went in and overturned their tables, he tried once before but this they had
enough reason to get rid of him. That's one of the charges they put against him that he put himself
equal to G-d. And this is blasphemy and therefore it deserves death.

THey knew what he was after and they were killing him just for that. They cannot admit that they were wrong. They have been at it for all of history.

Is the Jew still actively anti-Christian - He is, for by being a Jew, he is anti everyone else.

GIBSON CONTINUES: They are the people with an eye for eye and tooth for a tooth. They must have revenge. You know they (the Jews) caused teh Roman persecutions too. They called attention to the fact that the Christians were refusing to offer incense to the emperors when the emperors became gods. The Jews were notable for getting the wood to burn the Christians...a
labor of love you could say.

To a Jew a Christian commits idolatry every time he looks at a crucifix and says a prayer. You know there in control and they're going to get in control the way things are going. Because they get all of our people...They killed several generations of us Americans (referring to WWWI, WWII)...The Jews weren't in the army much in WWI that because they were fomenting a revolt in Russia. America had no right to fight in foreign wars (in reference to WWI and WWII).

We have given the whole control to the Fed Reserve. [Fed Chairman Alan] Greenspan tells us what to do Someone should take him out and hang him. The Ford Foundation, Rockefeller Foundation, the Carnegies are all communists. They are enemies of the country. When they wantto pull the plug on us we're going down the drain.

This is absolutely ridiculous. And (the Holocaust) it's all - may not all fiction - but most of it is. For
instance the gas chambers and crematoria at Auschwitz would not do the job. Do you know what it takes to get rid of a dead body? To cremate it? It takes a liter of petrol and 20 minutes - now six million of them? They (the Germans) did not have the gas to do it. That's why they lost the war.

Yo Rick: you will find this interesting.......http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/holocaust/timeline.html... I'll give you my veiws on the holocaust after I do some research. So you downgraded Hutton Gibson from a anti-semetic to a possible nut case, interesting. JonR

I certainly hope no one holds my father's remarks against me. He grew up in time when prejudice was the norm. I don't hold any of those feelings and Mel should not be judged by the words of his father. I married a woman of a different race which drove my father crazy. Let Mel's actions and speech speak for him not his father's.

The holocaust is a huge blemish on human history and a most horrible act of men following a crazy man. I don't know why it happened but it did and the only way to study it is by the facts. There is no policitally correct way to view and the same is true for the death of Christ. God planned the death of Christ to open the relationship of man to god so there was no way to stop it.

I thought Mel held his own very well against Diane Sawyer. This guy is being asked to make a politically correct movie about an event in world history that IMHO changed the world and man's relationship with God. I am very glad to see the movie portray the event as it was and not the gobble de goob that Hollywood spews out these days. Let the chips fall where they may it's histary and no body can change it. It is not intended to cast aspersions on jews it's just the facts. I encourage everyone to see this movie.

Gibson's father is not unusual for his generation in that religious teachings of his day weren't the most open. My wife's Catholic raised parents held similar beliefs. Sort of drove them nuts to have her marry "One of those people who killed Jesus". But she did not share her parents narrowness.

Sorry....mom in law. I'm not that old...I wasn't there. It is sort of like blaming all the Germans for the holocaust (one of the few tangible things Mel Gibson said).

I might actually change my tune and go see the movie. It is best to educate oneself before coming to a conclusion. I can see for myself if there is an anti semitic slant.

I think it may be blown out of proportion, but it's hard to say without seeing the movie. Meanwhile my children will go to church on ash wednesday and I will be buying groceries for our passover seder.

What a mixed up household.

Mel's dad is antisemetic, no question but that don't mean squat regarding this movie. Sins of the father are not sins of the son. This being said, many Catholic priests taught otherwise. I grew up with many Catholic kids and got along well. There came a time when they started getting religeous (sp) instruction and most of them started calling the Jewish kids "Christ Killer." The kids were being taught that all Jews were responsible for killing Christ. How many of those kids are still around (I'm 51)? How many of them taught their kids? This type of teaching has been going on for almost 2000 years. The New Testament including the line "may his blood be on us and on all our children" is neither gospel nor history to the Jewish people and to most of us it that one quote is antisemetic just because of the 2000 years of persecution that was inflicted on us and our ancestors because of it. Now I WILL go and see the movie, and no I don't think it should be censored. I do think that the contraversy(sp)around the movie is a good thing. I think that Jewish people being upset about the movie is also a good thing, but there needs to be more discourse about why Jewish people are upset. By the way, I don't think that Mel is an antisemite.

I also believe that the above one line of the New Testament will always be an issue between the Catholics and/or Christians and the Jews.

Can I write a run on sentance or what???????

I also have a multi religous family. My wife was raised Catholic and now attends Baptist Services with my son and I am Jewish. We also do the Passover and Easter deals.

I most likely will not see this film for the simple fact that I go to a movie about once a year and it is always a kiddie flick.

I was raised R. Catholic and we were never taught to disparage the Jewish faith. I have never called a Jew a Christ killer nor have my parents/grandparents.

My Grandparents spent a large part of WWII in a German work camp. They vividly remember Kristallnacht and seeing the Jews with tattoos the Nazis bestowed upon them.

Barry, I did not think that just wanted to ensure that others did not take it that all Catholics were instructed that way.