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RobertParrott Offline
#1 Posted: Mon, Oct 29 2001, 2:04 PM EST
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Well I found out that I was guilty of an overbid on the Perdomo "The Cigar" Churchill's. $130 for a box that I can get for 104 on an other site. FYI all you Perdomo lovers, the Torpedo's $109 and the Robusto $98.
At those prices they are well worth it. They are great cigars. And Thanks a bunch GS of Goodview VA for helping me push the price so high at the last minute. And your welcome Keith, you should really have some type of bid limit, other auction sites do. It's hard to check prices on the new cigars...... All was not lost.... I did make it up on a different box of cigars..... Thanks Keith.... All you CAO lovers watch the prices on the Brazilia's, do your home work!!!! I want to try them but I may have to resort to some place else due to the prices here.
delarob Offline
#2 Posted: Mon, Oct 29 2001, 2:28 PM EST
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While the idea of a bid limit is fun to entertain, and believe me, I would welcome it, it is not business friendly. It's not C-Bids job to tell you when to ease off the trigger. I would think that on some items, The cigar, CAO's etc.. certain people would just bid the max to assure they'd win. Then it would be first come first served. It all evens out. Give it time, the bids will come down.
ellesson Offline
#3 Posted: Mon, Oct 29 2001, 4:17 PM EST
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So you are the one who outbid me with 30 seconds left!!!!! Thats okay, because I got the next box for about $80 and another one after that for about the same.... cj
rookie139 Offline
#4 Posted: Mon, Oct 29 2001, 6:34 PM EST
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Honestly, officer!...I didn't shoot the guy...The gun did!"...Cmon now!...You put in the highest amount you are willing to pay for an item and that's it...That's an auction
Todog Offline
#5 Posted: Mon, Oct 29 2001, 6:36 PM EST
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CB would be committing business suicide by putting in a bid limit!
rookie139 Offline
#6 Posted: Mon, Oct 29 2001, 6:39 PM EST
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The "Bid Limit" should be that price you're willing to go up to...Highest bidder wins...It's not hard to check prices...If you have a computer, you can compare prices...Sorry Rob, but ist sounds like a cop-out...I think you might be frustrated because you put in a bid that was higher that you actually was willing to pay for them...It happens to many of us...I think I'm pretty good at controlling it myself...Auction Fever...LOL
abennett23 Offline
#7 Posted: Mon, Oct 29 2001, 7:43 PM EST
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Are we talking about overbidding again? Where is Wany's thesis, I know its around here somewhere.
cruiser Offline
#8 Posted: Tue, Oct 30 2001, 3:21 AM EST
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I feel I overbid,when I pay 80% of the rate i researched on the net,normaly i stay from 45-65% off the rate researched. If I cant get it well maybe next time.eom
RobertParrott Offline
#9 Posted: Tue, Oct 30 2001, 3:35 AM EST
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Todog, the MSRP should be the bid limit as it is on other auction sites. With the release of "New" cigars its hard to check prices, so if Cbid cared about its regular customers, they would put the bid limit at MSRP. They would probably make out better in the long run listing the MSRP, as they do on some of the lots of more expensive (at one time) cigars.
rleaverton Offline
#10 Posted: Tue, Oct 30 2001, 3:42 AM EST
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Sorry, Bobby, but that dog don't hunt. Don't give up your personal responsibility for a security blanket. That doesn't go just for auctions. Ron
Orv Offline
#11 Posted: Tue, Oct 30 2001, 4:24 AM EST
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Sounds like sour grapes to me. I think if you are going to bid on an auction then it is your responsibility to educate yourself to the market price of an item, cigars or otherwise. Decide what it is worth to you, including the shipping, put it in the auto bid and either win or lose. But don't cry when you later learn you paid too much.

A lot of people like to see government regulation to protect them from their own stupidity. A bid limit sounds a lot like that. I really don't think you have a point here no matter how much you try to justify it.

Free enterprise, the american way.
Todog Offline
#12 Posted: Tue, Oct 30 2001, 6:20 AM EST
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Maybe we can apply this wonderful theory of financial control to all sales(car, house ect...) and never allow anyone to make a profit! This would make for a thriving economy! Like it or not, Cbid is in this business to make a profit and they do not have to "care" for the customer with regard to price although in most instances, they have shown that they do care. What is the point of an auction if there are bid limits. Example: The La Gloria Cubana Series R cigar is a hot item that is hard to find. People, in my opinion, are overbidding here at Cbid for this cigar because it is hardly in stock anywhere else. The theory of supply and demand provides enough control.
Charlie Offline
#13 Posted: Tue, Oct 30 2001, 6:38 AM EST
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Anybody in sales knows the following term, "opportunity pricing"...in esscence it means you get the best price that you can for a product or offering! Research is the answer to the questionon overbidding! Know what you are doing before you start crying and mewling about being had in a damn auction. I agree "That dog don't hunt!"!

Charlie
bud451 Offline
#14 Posted: Tue, Oct 30 2001, 6:53 AM EST
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A new car can do 120mph...but the speed limit is 65. Should the manufactures be at fault for speeding tickets? Shouldn't the cars "limit" be set at 65? I think it's america, where businesses can do whatever they want. It's us, the consumers, that have to use our God given heads and be accountable for our own actions. More power to CB/CI if they can and do get more than MSRP. Just MHO.
joedayan Offline
#15 Posted: Tue, Oct 30 2001, 7:46 AM EST
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guns and butter. What is the price for widgets now adays?
plabonte Offline
#16 Posted: Tue, Oct 30 2001, 9:35 AM EST
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Economics 101. Law of supply and demand. Given all other factors remain unchanged if the supply goes down or demand goes up (or both) the price will increase. So another site might sell the cigars cheaper. But if their supply is low and they can't ship them to you for 4-6 weaks you may be willing to pay more to get them faster. By putting in a limit you negate this ability. Besides have you ever heard of anyone putting a limit on the price of a house they were selling? It would be pretty stupid.
cruiser Offline
#17 Posted: Tue, Oct 30 2001, 9:37 AM EST
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Priceline.com " name your own price " what to you think
how many people overpay their plan ticket, i am shure about 5%.eom
joedayan Offline
#18 Posted: Tue, Oct 30 2001, 10:01 AM EST
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plabonte-I said what you did with the simple guns and butter statement. I am impressed with your ability to cut and paste or I'll give you credit for incredible regurgitation ability. But remember guns and butter say it all:)
RobertParrott Offline
#19 Posted: Tue, Oct 30 2001, 10:04 AM EST
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Ron, The first point I was trying to make with my original post was, that even with research we could overbid. At the time of the bidding the only information I had on “The Cigar” had the MSRP at around $4 a stick and I did get them at less than that. So there are NO “ sour grapes” there Orv. The second point I was trying to get across was to help out the other people on this site by listing the prices that I had found. The third point was that maybe CB can better serve the customers by giving US, the customers, an MSRP on new cigars and maybe others too. And Todog MSRP is listed on most products in the market place, the exception to that is commodities like houses ect. Auction sites like ubid do list MSRP for all of the stuff they have up for bid and if you really, really want it, you just max the bid and your done. They make a profit and the customer gets what they want at a price they wanted to pay, win, win. Char5353, All businesses are in business to service the customer and make a profit while providing that service, “opportunity pricing” is a screw the customer buyer beware practice of businesses that don’t stay in business very long. Cbid’s objective should be to keep as many of us here as possible and keep us bidding, that way they move a lot more product. One of the reasons I don’t tell people about this site is to keep the bidding down, less competition in the bidding. I feel that if there were tighter controls on the bidding then I might be more inclined to tell more people about this site. I do think this is a GREAT site I have saved hundreds of dollars over what I was paying at the local shop (That’s what I tell the wife). But greatness can be improved upon…….. Ok, I know, I’ll get off the damn soap box……. And lighten up already, some of you guys are way too serious………
abennett23 Offline
#20 Posted: Tue, Oct 30 2001, 10:46 AM EST
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Time for my soapbox:
You stated "customers get what they want at a price they are willing to pay" Why would you bid here something you are not willing to pay? This is an auction site, If cbid sets a limit it becomes nothing more than a first come first serve retail site. The most ridiculous statement I have ever heard is "all businesses are in business to service the customer." Take a business class and you realize profit maximization is the reason businesses are in business. Businesses that are in business to service the customer are called "not-for-profit organizations" and to the subject of MSRP (wany where are you) Manufacturors SUGGESTED retail price! Suggested does not equal market value, dont believe me research the going rate for Opus X (no where near MSRP).
RobertParrott Offline
#21 Posted: Tue, Oct 30 2001, 11:06 AM EST
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Mr. Bennett, You must be a political reporter, great use of context! I said "All businesses are in business to service the customer and make a PROFIT while providing that service". ie maximize the customers!!!!! take a buisness course your self!!!! and as for the Opus X the people that sell at above MSRP are NOT authorized Arturo Fuente dealers! they buy at MSRP and resell, and AF is going after those people.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#22 Posted: Tue, Oct 30 2001, 11:30 AM EST
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robert, may i call you that? i have read all of the posts and everyone is right, almost. may i suggest next time you buy a car, don't tell anyone what you paid, or you will hear, why didn't you call me, i could have gotten it for you cheaper, i know a guy...
joedayan Offline
#23 Posted: Tue, Oct 30 2001, 1:08 PM EST
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go to ci's retail web sight for msrp. They have all the cigars they are offering for bid at that sight. They may not be the lowest, but it should give you a good idea of the pricing out there.(there and i didn't mention any other site.)
Charlie Offline
#24 Posted: Tue, Oct 30 2001, 1:37 PM EST
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Rick, You are so correct in the old I know a guy etc!!!! Problem with bidding on cigars (I am not complaining) is that there are people bidding that do not care if they pay a little more due to taxes, etc depending on state. The two of us live in California, where the buyer gets screwed on all "sin" products, booze, tobacco, recreation,etc! While what might seem like a deal to us, may be outlandish to the guys who live in Florida or Texas! I still say, know what the hell you are doing and you will be happy with your purchases. Besides, Cigar Bid has a great customer service crew and they will help you out if you do something too foolish! Charlie :-) :-)
Charlie Offline
#25 Posted: Tue, Oct 30 2001, 1:40 PM EST
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Robert, you started a fun thread, and I am sure some of the folks will say go to archive, there are blah, blah, blah, yada yada etc out there! We are getting basic business, Economics, and Services discussions all in one! This is fun, like Politics used to be till all the liberals decided, maybe we do have the right guy in the White House and quit banging away for Gore and the other wannabies! Charlie
delarob Offline
#26 Posted: Tue, Oct 30 2001, 1:49 PM EST
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Hmmmm. I would just like to say Joe, That C-I does have a good amount of items listed, but they have an equal amount of items NOT listed. Take for instance, the Perdomo 16 ct sampler. I was asking a friend (Perdomo retailer) what the cost should be and he couldn't even find it on any cost sheet. Either it's new or not made anymore. So how do you put a price on that? What it comes down to, is what is it worth to you. If someone wants to pay $200, so be it. That's what its worth to them. How often does c-bid post about losing money on an item? They don't. Because it all evens out in the end.
jcrimmins Offline
#27 Posted: Tue, Oct 30 2001, 2:03 PM EST
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Here's my take. And many people say I'm a cunning linguist. The overbidders help to finance the guys like me who get the good deals. If every sale was rock bottom, C-bid would be out of business. And I'd have to go elsewhere to find such a fine group of reprobates and malcontents. eom
jjohnson28 Offline
#28 Posted: Tue, Oct 30 2001, 4:04 PM EST
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Nope,nope,nope I'm not gona to say it.
Mr.Mean Offline
#29 Posted: Tue, Oct 30 2001, 4:34 PM EST
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he he. I'm naked.
JBG Offline
#30 Posted: Tue, Oct 30 2001, 5:25 PM EST
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Supply & demand is gooooooood. Warms my Republican heart. As for making MSRP the max limit, I say DEATH TO COMMUNISM!!!!! I live in a low demand area when it comes to cigars. Retail where is not too bad. But my buds in Cali would love to walk in to a store and pay MSRP! In addition, some brands are hard to find in my area. So if I can get an auctioned 5-pack for around, maybe even slightly over MSRP, I'm happy. Yes, some people get bid happy, but that's life. And just knowing that someone is here looking at cigars and posting naked makes me proud to be an American!
plabonte Offline
#31 Posted: Wed, Oct 31 2001, 4:04 AM EST
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Being a newbie I have no idea what guns and butter means. Could be my bad. Or perhaps you don't understand the concept and need to simplify it to suit your needs. Either way my way of saying it was much more eloquent.
tailgater Offline
#32 Posted: Wed, Oct 31 2001, 5:19 AM EST
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hey. If you want to pay MSRP go to a retail site. If you want to bid up to your top self-assessed value, stay with these auction sites. Nobody is against listing the MSRP, we're just against morons who need their hand held with a built in safety net so they won't overspend. Take responsibility for your own actions and stop your sobbing.
tailgater Offline
#33 Posted: Wed, Oct 31 2001, 5:20 AM EST
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Meany, be careful when you smoke naked. Never know where those ashes will fall...
Charlie Offline
#34 Posted: Wed, Oct 31 2001, 5:37 AM EST
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And the ashes may be hot!!!!! Charlie
stogie-man Offline
#35 Posted: Wed, Oct 31 2001, 7:34 AM EST
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Nice ash.
RobertParrott Offline
#36 Posted: Wed, Oct 31 2001, 8:11 AM EST
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Hey Tailgater.... are we now resorting to name calling? was that directed at me? if so then you need to read more carefully, because I said nothing about WANTING to pay MSRP.
gdurfor Offline
#37 Posted: Wed, Oct 31 2001, 9:04 AM EST
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I think someone is paranoid! Chill out and have one of your "bargain" cigars.
Todog Offline
#38 Posted: Wed, Oct 31 2001, 10:46 AM EST
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Let's give peace a chance and sing "Imagine" together!!!!
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#39 Posted: Wed, Oct 31 2001, 11:02 AM EST
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jccrimmins "cunning linguist" careful, some of us understand word play and innuendo.
Charlie Offline
#40 Posted: Wed, Oct 31 2001, 1:06 PM EST
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After we finish "Imagine" let's all break into "We Shall Overcome" or "Give Peace a Chance". A one a two a three......Charlie
mtsheron Offline
#41 Posted: Wed, Oct 31 2001, 1:30 PM EST
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For the love of GOD........"it's an auction"! High bids are expected. Rookie is right......don't cry if your bid won and you realize, damn, I did not won't it that bad.......but hell, I did not won't the other guy to get a deal either. Let's keep on truckin. Overall, we get good deals here at CB.
Charlie Offline
#42 Posted: Wed, Oct 31 2001, 2:37 PM EST
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Charlie Offline
#43 Posted: Wed, Oct 31 2001, 2:38 PM EST
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Whoops, I dropped my song book, hell, I thought it was becoming a songfest! Happy Halloween.....Charlie
joedayan Offline
#44 Posted: Wed, Oct 31 2001, 6:54 PM EST
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just wanted to post the 44th string. Imagine all the bidders, bidding msrp. You hoo hoo may say Gonz is dreaming, but he's not the only one. Gonz hopes some day we all join them and cbid will burn a fat one.
couldITbe Offline
#45 Posted: Thu, Nov 1 2001, 3:25 AM EST
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joedayan- LMAO!
Charlie Offline
#46 Posted: Thu, Nov 1 2001, 7:59 AM EST
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This has become quite a long string. I am going to smoke my first cigar of the day. A Don Juan Platinum Robusto, bought a sampler box of 50 for $37. That was one hell of a deal, because these are damn fine cigars! Thanks CigarBid. Charlie
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