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The Buildings in Iraq That Are Not Burning
eleltea Offline
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Joined: 03-03-2002
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"They have a saying in the news business," Geraldo Rivera related this week. "Reporters don't report buildings that don't burn." And with that introduction, he told a TV audience about the story that is being systematically denied to our entire nation: the success story of post-Saddam Iraq.

Are we losing some soldiers each week?
Yes.

Is there some frustration in the public about electricity and waterservice?
Yes.

Are some Saddam Hussein loyalists throughout the land, making trouble?
Yes.

Has this opened a window for some terrorist mischief?
Yes.

But that's ALL we hear. No wonder the country is in a mixed mood about Iraq. If you hear about the buildings that are not burning, though, it is a different story indeed.

Rivera is no shill for George W. Bush. But Bush, Condi Rice and Colin Powell together could not have been as effective as Geraldo was Thursday night on the Fox News Channel's Hannity and Colmes program. "When I got to Baghdad, I barely recognized it," he began, comparing his just-completed trip to two others he made during and just after the battle to topple Saddam. "You have over 30,000 Iraqi cops and militiamen already on the job.

This is four months after major fighting stopped. Can you imagine that kind of gearing up in this country? Law and order is better; archaeological sites are being preserved; factories, schools are being guarded." But what about the secondhand griping that the media have been so efficiently relating about power, water and other infrastructure?

"To say that Iraq is being rebuilt is not true," answered Rivera. "Iraq is being built. There was no infrastructurebefore; we are doing it. I just think the good news is being underestimated and underreported." At this juncture, one must evaluate how to feel about the voices telling us only about the bad news in Iraq, whether from the mouths of news anchors or Democratic presidential hopefuls. At best, they are underinformed. At worst, their one-sided assessments of post-Saddam Iraq are intentional falsehoods for obvious reasons. If I hear one more person mock that "Mission Accomplished" banner beneath which President Bush thanked a shipload of sailors and Marines a few months back, I'm going to spit. That was a reference to the ouster of Saddam's regime, and that mission was indeed accomplished, apparently to the great chagrin of the American left. No one said what followed would be easy or cheap, and that's why the dripping-water torture of the cost and casualty stories is so infuriating. Remember we pay our soldiers whether they are in Iraq or in Ft Bragg, North Carolina. We should all mourn the loss of every fallen soldier. But context cries out to be heard. Our present news media is not performing this task. As some dare to wonder if this might become a Vietnam-like quagmire, I'll remind whoever needs it that most of our 58,000 Vietnam war toll died between 1966 and 1972, during which we lost an average of about 8,000 per year. That's about 22 per day, every day, for thousands of days on end. Let us hear NO MORE Vietnam comparisons. They do not equate. What I hope to hear is more truth, even if we have to wrench it from the mouths of the media and political hacks predisposed to bash the remarkable job we are doing every day in what was not so long ago a totalitarian wasteland. Local elections are under way across Iraq, Rivera reported. "Where Kurds and Arabs have been battling for decades, things have been settling down. Administrator Paul Bremer is doing a great job."

So does Geraldo think his media colleagues are intentionally painting with one side of the brush? "I'm not into conspiracy theories, ... but there's just more bang for your buck when you report the GI who got killed rather than the 99 who didn't get killed; who make friends, who helped schedule elections; who helped shops get open for business; who helped traffic flow again. "The vast majority of Iraqis are very happy to have us there. I would like to see a bit more balance." This needs to be reported to the American Public who are presently being duped. I expect the dominant media culture to nitpick and attack Bush, and democrats to blast him with reckless abandon. But when that leads to the willful exclusion of facts that would shine truthful light on the great work of the American armed forces, that level of malice plumbs new depths.
xibbumbero Offline
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XLNT story but what bothers me,is when they show footage of masses of people celebrating when an American vehicle is destroyed and soldiers killed. This is what makes wonder just how happy the people are to have us there. Media bias in reporting? Perhps it is. X
woodbutchr Offline
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Ah, Geraldo. Have not heard much from him since the great Capone secret vault unvailing. What a great journalist, I continue to hang on his every word.
eleltea Offline
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X, no doubt there are many celebrants, but they are not necessarily representative of the whole country. Let's hope not.

Woody, your rebuttal is so persuasive and reasoned that it has completely won me over. Thanks.

CWFoster Offline
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OMG! I had never thought to hear anything worthwhile come out of Geraldos pie-hole! Maybe he's trying to shine the light on the rest of the media to try to rebuild some of the credibility lost in the "fog of war" debacle in Afghanistan. God knows he used to be the professor on slanting a program to the left, but then he used to say he was "entertaining" not "being a journalist". We'll see how he continues.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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woodbutchr

i tape all his shows along with hannity, and o'reilly so my grandchildren will understand why soylent green is people.
CWFoster Offline
#7 Posted:
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*********threadjack ON**********

Hey Rick, did you receive a pkg recently?

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pabloescabar Offline
#8 Posted:
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Geraldo, What! Wood butcher you must be female,I don't know any man that feels the way you do about that looser, or watches,or has anything good to say about the guy?
woodbutchr Offline
#9 Posted:
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Rick, that is unfair to your grandchildren, Geraldo is beneath the food chain.

Pablo, I guess you are too young to remember. Sorry
jstiltner Offline
#10 Posted:
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Ahh... The Great Capone Vault Unveiling. 1986. It was a record I waited weeks for that show and what did I get? Not a damn thing. A vault full of dirt. At least plant some bodies or tommy guns. Give me something. Kind of like finally getting into Iraq and finding no WMDs. I thought we would find somthing there. But nothing. Just like the empty vault. At least plant something in the sand when nobody is looking.
pabloescabar Offline
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there you go woodchuck geraldo is beneath the food chain!
eleltea Offline
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So. Since we all agree Geraldo is lower than orca feces, we may deduce that everything he says he observed in Iraq is a lie, right?
woodbutchr Offline
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LLT, I have to be honest and say I didn't read any further once I saw who the source was. I have now read it and think it is very enlightening, or at least would, be if it had come from anyone (and I mean ANYONE) other than Geraldo. IMHO, his past history of sensationalism has poisoned any chance of anything he says being taken seriously.
usahog Offline
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Woodbutcher... been awhile...

I don't care much for RaRa either.. but that is not the topic here.. the topic is how the media is turning Iraq and the death toll into their own slander the Bush Administration... When actually there has been Major Progress in Iraq and come May, I do think is when they are holding their First Elections in how many Centries???

Hog
jstiltner Offline
#15 Posted:
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Was it Geraldo who got hit by the skinhead with a chair or was it Morton Downey Jr? Zip it!!!!
CWFoster Offline
#16 Posted:
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What Hog said! I HAVE heard these reports from other sources. You just don't see them getting picked up by the major media outlets. Hmmm, I wonder why........
MACS Offline
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Yes, and could somebody please show me the military member who swore in and did NOT know that the job could be dangerous and even deadly...

Anyone? No?

EXACTLY! They do it for various reasons, but the point is they do it VOLUNTARILY now. Don't trivialize their deaths by whining about them. They are dying for a cause they believe in and that is good and honorable.
Cavallo Offline
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geraldo is no friend to the military -- especially after Mr. Bungles pointed out US forces *EXACT* position on one of his international t.v. reports, and he promptly got a military escort OUT of there. they wanted geraldo NOWHERE NEAR the military.

he was the first reporteer "attached" to a military unit to have his sorry butt kicked out and told to go home.

my guess? he's kissing butt now to try to regain a shred of cred with the military.

now then -- that's geraldo rivera.

however, what he says DOES have merit to an extent. i don't trust just one source for any of my news. i look at the major media, the left and right, and i also go to overseas media. to top it off, for military news, i also have a look at military sources. a retired master sgt. is great about sending 'round "all things military" news releases, and most of them really do jibe with what's released in the most objective media.

what's makes the mainstream media go is NOT a bias to the right or left, though; it's all about sparks and car chases. it's about playing to the lowest common denominator and digging up the muck.

"if it bleeds, it leads" is still the creed.

however, there is a LOT of room for at (the very least) FEATURE stories about some of the GOOD stuff going on. spotlight the soldiers who are there and giving to people -- like one soldier who is helping get private contributions in to get clothing and books for iraqi kids. that is a HUGE undertaking and very successful.

but it's not bloody enough to make "the news."

no, not all stories should be about the positives of this war -- but SOME of them in the major media should be.

and it doesn't matter if it's media with a left bend or a right bend: BOTH are into the muck raking. if the "left wing media" focus too much on opposition to the war, the right ignores it completely and leads with kerry-bashing stories.

ENOUGH! it's time for ALL the media to realize that we americans do NOT just want blood and scandal. we want a positive, inspiring human interest story from time to time. and it's NOT too much to ask for.
Steve*R Offline
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I quote from a post above: "Has this opened a window for some terrorist mischief?"

To me, mischief is when your kids hide your shoes.

To equate terrorist acts against American forces with mischief is beyond my comprehension.


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