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RICKAMAVEN Offline
#1 Posted: Mon, Dec 3 2001, 10:19 AM EST
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let's start with ashcroft the new sob in town. "i said nothing when they came for the socialist, i am not a socialist. i said nothing when they came for the republicans, i am not a republican. i said nothing when they came for the democrats, i am not a democrat. when they came for me, there was no one left to say anything for me."
Charlie Offline
#2 Posted: Mon, Dec 3 2001, 1:38 PM EST
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Very clever Rick! However, I guess you had rather have a "do nothing" Attorney General, like Mr Reno or some other lackey in the job who worries about Political Correctness and not offending certain minority groups. I say if it takes profiling to prevent another 9/11, then Profile the hell out of them. Ashcroft is the first Attorney General that actually tries to do the job and that is why guys like Leahy are against him! Charlie
Charlie Offline
#3 Posted: Mon, Dec 3 2001, 1:40 PM EST
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The site isn't dead, only slow these days, but this one should liven it up a bit! Charlie
tailgater Offline
#4 Posted: Mon, Dec 3 2001, 6:13 PM EST
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In previous posts I heard mention of Ashcroft instituting "new" powers and authority. The funny thing is that this Liberal travesty has been accomplished with previously existing laws. It seems our Left-Leaning brethren have their panties all in knots over the Attorney General actually USING the power bestowed that position. Chaz is correct, the Democrats and other Non-republican would MUCH Prefer a DO NOTHING AG. That way nobody would be offended except for the TRUE minority in this country: The level headed, hard working Tax Payers.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#5 Posted: Mon, Dec 3 2001, 7:43 PM EST
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tailgator: are you level headed and hardworking? i thought sure you were a member of the idle rich. in your leisure time, please tell me more about the constitutionality of being held in secret, with no charges, no right to privacy with counsel, and being convicted and subject to the death penalty ("The Passion of Bush")with only a majority voting the death penalty and no right to appeal. does this sound like amrica or china? my picture of bish dressed as hitler was in bad taste, but this SOB is the real thing. perhaps you may have forgotten american citizens woke up one day and were driven to the desert and put in concentration camps. they lost their homes and their freedom, but they were lucky. people woke up in germany, where they had been part of the german society for six centuries and found it to be a crime to be jewish. the punishment, death. what makes you so blind. it can happen here ("It Can't Happen Here.", sinclair lewis, 1935)
Charlie Offline
#6 Posted: Tue, Dec 4 2001, 3:55 AM EST
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Rick, most of us have read Sinclair Lewis, but I really don't think that you have to worry about a night of glass, or being herded into a concentration camp! This is a little extreme and while profiling is a very real issue (one that should work) when it comes to finding Terrorist. I don't think that we have to worry about Eskimos blowing up our buildings, but yes, we do have to worry about Arabic extremist doing so! Charlie
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#7 Posted: Tue, Dec 4 2001, 6:49 AM EST
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profiling under these conditions is perfectly ok. it has been done over the years like the "hippy type" for drugs. it's what is done after that is the concern.
engletl Offline
#8 Posted: Tue, Dec 4 2001, 4:22 PM EST
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Ashcrofte has the Balls to stand up to "PC" which has been one of the biggest crocks of sh*t that dimwit Bill and Hillary got started. I am all for civil liberties but we don't need some wannabe's telling us what they think is right. I speak my mind and I could care less if I offend anybody. We should do just like F.D.R. did in '41 round them up (the one's with questionable visa status...not just Arabs either) and go from there. It is time for America to worry about itself and stop feeding everyone else in the world. Todd
tailgater Offline
#9 Posted: Tue, Dec 4 2001, 4:45 PM EST
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Rick, your disdain for Ashcroft is misguided at best. These are not random arrests based solely on ethnicity. Each and every incarcerated individual has two things going against them. They broke the law and they aren't American Citizens. Suppose you were in Afghanistan on a summer retreat when this war started. And you "carelessly" let your visa run out. And the war was started by people of your ilk who had similar circumstances surrounding them. The fact that these imbeciles have not been hanged is a testimony to the fairness this country embodies. So they're detained for three months, so what? Time didn't seem too important to them when it was time to renew their visa. Sorry, Rick, your heart is in the right place, but you can't use the travesties of the past to jeopardize the present. You know very well that American and the World has learned from the WWII events. In your leisure time, instead of finding reasons to hate the GOP, you should dig deep and learn why the Taliban hates the US so emphatically. There are indeed many reasons, not the least of which is our support of Isreal on every issue ranging from the West Bank to what color shoes to wear. I support America and our Ideals. I'm surprised that you don't do the same.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#10 Posted: Wed, Dec 5 2001, 1:09 AM EST
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tailgator: I SUPPORT OUR COUNTRY AND MY FAMILY BUT I CRITICIZE THEM WHEN THEY ARE WRONG.
"have not been hanged" a little overboard but than so am i. "hate the GOP". not completely, but some senators and congressman are contemptable hypocrites, the gop seems to have more of them. remember, as an example barr pushing the immorality of clinton while he had some skeletons of his own. people that live in glass houses, etc. "not the least of which is our support of Isreal " now you have gone over my line. israel is the only democracy in the region, the rest are dictatorships or shiekdoms or what ever you call rule by the wealthy elite without a trickle down effect. "the West Bank to what color shoes to wear" again over the top. perhaps you should read a little recent (100 years) history of the area. for example:

"Approximately 720,000 Arabs, encouraged by their leaders to leave, fled from what is now Israel
between April and December, 1948.(1) The Arab leaders promised them that they would soon be able to return following Israel's destruction. In some cases the Jews, including Israel's first Prime Minister, David Ben-Gurion, urged the Arabs to remain, promising that they would not be harmed.(2) Those who remained became full and equal citizens of Israel, while those who chose to leave went to neighboring Arab states. Instead of welcoming their Arab brothers, and integrating them into the mainstream of their societies, the Arab states kept them in squalid
refugee camps and used these Palestinians refugees as political pawns in their fight against Israel."

try: http://www.masada2000.org/
if you have no interest in investigating any of the history, you are talking through your hat. you
have no basis to comment on that area.
Charlie Offline
#11 Posted: Wed, Dec 5 2001, 5:59 AM EST
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Rick, Your little "history" of Isreal doesn't really go back as far as the hatred between the Arabs and Jews dates! They have fought over the years since before Jesus walked the earth. While the founding of the state of Isreal was in 1948, the fight is far deeper and while the excuse of US support of Isreal is largely a part and parcel of what the Taliban, soon to be history themselves, are angry with US about, it is only one piece. This is far to complex to answer in posts of this nature. I do however, support Bush and his cabinet in the great work they are doing against these evil aggressors and feel that it would not be below you to drop the Anti-GOP railing you are on! Charlie
Charlie Offline
#12 Posted: Wed, Dec 5 2001, 6:00 AM EST
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I meant to add, that War, is a bipartison problem! Charlie
tailgater Offline
#13 Posted: Wed, Dec 5 2001, 8:41 AM EST
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Rick, my intent was to rattle, not to go over your line. If you re-read my post, I follow the mention of US support of Isreal with "I support America and our Ideals". This was in reference to our support of Isreal. I realize that they are the only democracy in that region. But you have to accept the fact that the militant Arab Nations do hate America in general. And a MAJOR reason for this hatred is our support of Isreal. So while you're casting innuendo regarding Bush being a possible cause for Sept 11th, you can't be so hypocritical as to ignore a larger and more probable seed for their anger. You may "support and criticize", but you wouldn't blame one of your own family if they were attacked in the street, would you? Then why do you insist on doing it on the global level?
engletl Offline
#14 Posted: Wed, Dec 5 2001, 12:36 PM EST
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Rick please read this http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/dailynews/terror_980609.html
and I think you will see that Osama 's hatred runs deeper than W.
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