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This man just needs to apologize and go home.
AJ_CHICAGO Offline
#1 Posted:
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http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/02/20040210-3.html#
All of these "rah, rah" Bush backers can't have heard this. If you haven't heard it, go here and listen to this very recent press conference (and read along if you like), then post your thoughts. I am anxious to hear any defense, especially from our military folks who think this guy is the ultimate Commander and Chief and a man's man. Wow! Disgusting. I feel sorry for what you have to face, George w.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/02/20040210-3.html#
MACS Offline
#2 Posted:
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AJ-- personally, as a military member, I don't give a rats ass if the president served in the armed forces, or the national guard or whatever. Do you know how many reservists miss their required monthly weekends? A lot. This is a non-issue that the dems brought up to make the president look bad. Period.

Just because Kerry was in the Navy, as I am, doesn't mean I should vote for him to be president. Great, he served honorably on active duty during vietnam. I am serving honorably on active duty during the war in Iraq. Doesn't mean you should vote me into the presidency. Some of the people I serve with (especially the officers, as Kerry was) are self-centered ass-holes. How do you know he isn't one of them?

Service to your country is important, but it doesn't define your character or who you are.

My $.02
DrMaddVibe Offline
#3 Posted:
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But they were willing to give Clinton the "big pass" on Vietnam!

We were told that it didn't matter by John Kerry even! Now he decides it IS an issue?

Once again Kerry...Make up your mind and stick to it!
Robby Offline
#4 Posted:
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AJ, I'm interested to see your thoughts on John F'ing Kerry that the US military should only be dispatched/controlled by the UN. How does that make YOU feel? Good? Bad? Indifferent? I'm confident you will not have the nads to post a response...
bassdude Offline
#5 Posted:
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AJ, please pull your head out of wherever it is stuck. Perhaps you were in the military and therefore may have an opinion based on personal experience?
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#6 Posted:
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AJ_CHICAGO

you are getting posts not unlike mcclellan's ability to say the samething regardless of the question. he is at least getting paid to front for little w, whereas the responses to your posted url, demonstrate the rabid love these people have for little w.

they don't give a hoot what he does or evades doing. they love him like people loved hula hoops, and any other fad that came along.

the fake picture of bush on the flight deck, the number of pictures of bush with a halo around his head, the picture of him at mt rushmore, where protesters were kept far away and he is photographed at an angle that puts his smirking face alongside the monument, none of these things mean anything.

i have tried in vain to open the minds just enough for some reality to sneak in, but to no avail.

they do exactly the same thing the white house and all it's spokespeople do. they evade answering the question by attacking someone else.

instead of responding to clarke, they held up clearance of his book until they could decide on a suitable attack technique and then they released the book for publication.

bush can BS all he wants, when he took office we had money in the till and a balanced budget. now we are in deep debt and deep **** all over the world. no one in the world except these rabid little w fans has any respect for our anointed leader, they recognize what he is, a dolt, a stupid person, and a threat to mankind.

he has already said he would "nuclur bombs" if he wanted to and he has the finger on the button.
Robby Offline
#7 Posted:
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As I predicted...
AJ_CHICAGO Offline
#8 Posted:
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...and what character does what he did show?
AJ_CHICAGO Offline
#9 Posted:
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Sorry, Robby. You shouldn't make it personal. I am not failiar with what you are talking about. Give me the details and I will investigate and get back to you. Hold your nads until then.
AJ_CHICAGO Offline
#10 Posted:
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You are right in your observations, RICKAMAVEN. All they can do is try to deflect, ignore, and change the subject. It's a type of cowardice that turns my stomach.
JonR Offline
#11 Posted:
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Yo AJ: The only one that needs to apologize and go home is you ( for this post ) and take Rick with you. JonR
MACS Offline
#12 Posted:
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I take offense to being called a coward. You ever been shot at?

Rick-- I can assure you GWB was indeed on the flightdeck of the USS ABRAHAM LINCOLN. My ship was their escort for most of their 9 month deployment as well as their air defense commander and the controller of all their aircraft at one time or another during the 9 months we were there.

We like GWB because he picks a side on every issue and stays with it because that is what he believes in, not because it's what is getting him votes in the polls.
bloody spaniard Offline
#13 Posted:
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Now JonWard, aren't you being a little too hard on the Beaver?

Just let AJ get it ALL out & we can all be friends again.

AJ, this is just a cigar site. You may want to lower your voice down to a scream, and then maybe temper your comments with just a wee bit of humor like Rick.

Just my dos centavos

blood
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#14 Posted:
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MACS(SW)

of course he was on the deck. no dispute about that. the fact that the ship was held in position to await HIS arrival, but it was turned to show the open sea instead of the harbor a few miles off, giving the impression the ship was out at sea instead of waiting to dock.

george does in fact say he picks a point of view and announces it to the world. have you done any research to find out that he cuts the budget right after he has BS'd his intention to help veterans, cut the va budget, no child left behind, cut the budget to help start.

you would do well to say to yourself, i know rickamaven is not a dummy, but i think rickamaven is talking through his hat. i will check this out myself and see if little w is really doing what rickamaven says he is doing.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#15 Posted:
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bloody spaniard

"a wee bit of humor" do you have a wee bit of the irish in ya? well kiss my blarney stone.
MACS Offline
#16 Posted:
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But I don't know you from Adam. You SOUND like a dummy... hehehe
Sylance Offline
#17 Posted:
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I love it when non-military people tell those that serve in the military how to think politically.
MACS Offline
#18 Posted:
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Chalk it up to ignorance. Coddled college boys who wouldn't know what service means unless you were talking about a butler.
Robby Offline
#19 Posted:
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OK AJ, let's see how big they are...

Web Results 11 - 20 of about 349 for "I'm an internationalist. I'd like to see our troops dispersed through the world only at the directive of the United Nations.". (0.30 seconds)


"I'm an internationalist. I'd like to see our troops dispersed through the world only at the directive of the United Nations." —John Kerry, the Harvard Crimson 1970

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/johnfkerr158723.html

http://www.serenitysjournal.com/archives/000654.html

http://www.cavalierdaily.com/CVarticle.asp?ID=18784&pid=1117

Robby Offline
#20 Posted:
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Sorry, Robby. You shouldn't make it personal. I am not failiar with what you are talking about. Give me the details and I will investigate and get back to you. Hold your nads until then.


Investigate away, and let me know what you find and then what you think about "Mr. Kerry" and his positions on deploying OUR F'ing troops! I'm waiting with baited breath, but as I said the first time... I doubt you will reply.
bloody spaniard Offline
#21 Posted:
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I'm just waiting for a second civil war to break out--won't that be fun.

blood
penzt8 Offline
#22 Posted:
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As a matter of pride, I doubt that the president is proud of the way he served. There is no doubt in my mind that he worked the system. The bottom line on his service is this. He was comissioned, he was trained to fly jets, and he missed a lot of his training days. Did he get any kind of punishment for being AWOL or for desertion? No. So, I can only assume that he fulfilled at least the bare minimum to keep from being punished.

So from a character standpoint I'd give that one point to Kerry for entering the military and going to Viet Nam.

Now to Kerry. He went to Viet Nam and managed to be "wounded" 3 times within 4 months and went home. None of his injuries were serious, in fact they were basically flesh wounds that required no hospital time. He took advantage of the 3 purple heart rule and went home. Once home, and out of the military he protested the war and called his former brothers in arms war criminals and baby killers. Now he wants to wave the flag and call himself a war hero. I call that being a hypocrite.

All of this crap happened 30 years ago.

As a retired veteran of 21 years I'd rather have a guy in office that served with honor. In my mind neither one of these guys served with honor. so now I have to move to the next way to separate the two. How about their voting record, leadership, and accomplishments over the past 10 years. I'm voting for president in 2004 not 1972.
usahog Offline
#23 Posted:
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Ditto what Penzt said!!!!

Hog
Robby Offline
#24 Posted:
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Ditto what Hog said, and still waiting for AJ...
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#25 Posted:
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MACS(SW)

adam wore a fig leaf, i wear boxers.
MACS Offline
#26 Posted:
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ditto pentz and hog. I ain't waiting for squat. My vote will be cast for Bush via an absentee ballot from the gulf.
Robby Offline
#27 Posted:
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AJ, have you had a chance to check out your man's position on dispatching OUR troops around the world yet?

Web Results 11 - 20 of about 349 for "I'm an internationalist. I'd like to see our troops dispersed through the world only at the directive of the United Nations.". (0.30 seconds)


"I'm an internationalist. I'd like to see our troops dispersed through the world only at the directive of the United Nations." —John Kerry, the Harvard Crimson 1970

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/johnfkerr158723.html

http://www.serenitysjournal.com/archives/000654.html

http://www.cavalierdaily.com/CVarticle.asp?ID=18784&pid=1117

I'm interested in your opinion of his views...
Robby Offline
#28 Posted:
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Waiting patiently.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#29 Posted:
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Robby

i'm sorry to make you wait. i will do the web sites after i watch the lakers i taped and the sopranos i taped.

i must admit once again, i don't even want to form an opinion about kerry. i know he is just another politician more concerned with his own grandeur then the country he is trying to lead.

i have said over and over, i would vote for a chicken or a mongoose, or a chocolate donut with sprinkles, to make sure little w is not elected, not appointed, or throned as the heir apparent to his father.

narrow minded, aren't i.
Robby Offline
#30 Posted:
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heheh, Rick, I understand you. :-) I was waiting for AJ, he said he hasn't heard anything about this yet. I wanted to make sure he understood who he was voting for. Still waiting for AJ... No hurry, I know people don't check the boards every day. Whenever is fine ;-)
Robby Offline
#31 Posted:
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I'm sure AJ has just been away from his computer.
Robby Offline
#32 Posted:
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I hope AJ is ok. Has anyone heard from him?
Robby Offline
#33 Posted:
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Surely AJ wouldn't have tucked tail and run after being presented with the facts? AJ? You there?
uncleb Offline
#34 Posted:
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pentz8,

Do you have a link to a website with Kerry's quotes from the vietnam era? I ask because I am trying to make up my mind on how I will vote in Nov. and if he really "called his former brothers in arms war criminals and baby killers." I would have to take this into account.

I have no problem with anyone protesting against the vietnam war. It SHOULD have been protested against but I do have issues with someone berating our military men for being there.

Thanks,
B.
dbguru Offline
#35 Posted:
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Beware of what you read on websites. The facts have been so streched and convoluted that a single statement on a website is not a reliable thing to base a vote on, UncleB.

We have some here who would vote for Dubya even if he was the devil and perhaps some who would vot against him even if he was God. All I can say is DRILL DOWN!! because every assertion you read has hidden facts and context the makers of those assertions either don't know about or dont want you to know about.
Also based on what I see on this board we seem to have a lot more enthusiatic propaganda posters of links and statements on among the Bushies on this board than the Dems.

Honestly I think this is just a realistic assesement of whats happening here on Cbid. It is really going to be a ride for undecideds this year. But at least you plan to vote and that is good.
DB
penzt8 Offline
#36 Posted:
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http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/

This site is anti-Kerry but has references pulled from congressional testimony and audio clips of Kerry speaking. The entire congresional testimony is linked and there are numerous references pulled from Kerry's own book that was published in the 70's.
Robby Offline
#37 Posted:
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DB, "The facts have been so stretched and convoluted that a single statement on a website is not a reliable thing to base a vote on"

Perhaps... But the fact remains, he said it. A fact is something which cannot be disputed. I'm not sure if you're disputing that the statement was made or not? He said, and I quote.

"I'm an internationalist. I'd like to see our troops dispersed through the world only at the directive of the United Nations." —John Kerry, the Harvard Crimson 1970

DB, since AJ doesn’t have the stones to speak to that point, what are your thoughts? Are you a dem? I would like to get a dem with some stones to tell me how they square that statement with their perception of reality.
uncleb Offline
#38 Posted:
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Pentz8,

Checked out the link. I think "anti-Kerry" is putting it mildly. I did not see where he referred to his comrades as "baby killers".

My thoughts on vietnam and Kerry are:

- I put a little more credence in someone criticizing the war and talking about war crimes and attrocities from someone who was there rather than your run of the mill anti war protesters. I do believe that war crimes were committed by US soldiers. I do beleive attrocities were committed by US soldiers. I do not beleive this was the rule but was the exception.

B
dbguru Offline
#39 Posted:
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Robby, when you proclaim patriotically, "My country tis of thee...." You absolutely, unequivocally, with out any doubt in the world start your proclaimation with "MY C*NT!!!!!"

I'm not really interested in your C*NT or any of the other out of context half truths that are spread out to mislead and bullcrap people into false beliefs on this board. Have you finally got it??? Are you capable of seeing my point??
DB
dbguru Offline
#40 Posted:
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If that ain't a stone ... I don't know what is??
AJ_CHICAGO Offline
#41 Posted:
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I don't live for this forum, I just visit now and again. Not that I don't enjoy some of the banter. I actually have a life. I am NOT a big Kerry fan, either. I am more anti-Bush and Bush cronies/administration. I really detest his co-president. Robby, you come off as someone looking for a fight. Spaniard, too. You guys want to make it personal rather than intelectual. I don't know how Rick has survived here that long. Ask John Kerry today and see what he'd say. I doubt he'd say he'd like the UN to guide our military. Wisdom only comes with years. Again, what you offered is only countering, misdirecting, and inflamitory, not answering/explaining. The press are not going to let his service record die. They're just that way. When they smell blood they're like phiranas. They are going to go for the IRS records now. It will come up again. I'm afraid it's also going to come up in debate, but I hope not. It would be embarrassing for the nation. I guess some of us can look past it as just something that happened in the past. I look at it as part of his lack of true character and part of what made him what he is today. He's faking his way along letting other people make big decisions for him, something his priviledged background has some accounting for, the same priviledged background that helped to account for his "service" record. How 'bout them Indian Tabac Super Fuertes that were on special a while back. Where'd they all come from? I picked up a box. Enjoying them.
Robby Offline
#42 Posted:
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I got a box too :-) but I wouldn't be too certain that Kerry wouldn't hand over deployment of our troops to the UN. He said it, he didn't un-say it... And DB, you got issues man. Pull your undies out of your crack, grab your crank, give it a yank, and for for that pr!ck. You're clearly trying to rationalize your vote for that douchebag Kerry... You have every right to make the wrong choice, go for it bro! Our votes will cancel each other out :-)

Oh, and I’m sure you put the “Queer” in Query… LOL!
CWFoster Offline
#43 Posted:
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I love it when non-military people tell those that serve in the military how to think politically

Don't cha though?

DB, how about his own BOOK?

I just don't understand why some people are so bent on seeing Bush defeated, that they are willing to give a pass to the most waffling hypocrite on the planet a pass. What's up with that?!?!?!?! And then they have the unmitigated GALL to accuse those of us that feel that for all his faults (yes he has some) Bush IS the best man running for the job, of being blind?!?!?!?!?! WTF????????
dbguru Offline
#44 Posted:
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All right Robby... I sense you got a bit of a laugh out of my last post.... In my book that rates. I really haven't had a lot of time to get into a lot of detailed debate on these issues (been working my ass off and now am leaving for vacation). I think you did get my point and I'll leave the yanking the whatever to my wife.

Nice to show a sense of humor in the midst of these semi-serious discussions.
DB

We'll banter again soon



AJ_CHICAGO Offline
#45 Posted:
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When you've got the time it's ususally good to waffle. Confucious say, "Man who like waffle not get his pancakes burned so fast". We all do. Those who don't are just fanatical conservative liars! LOL! Waffling is not a bad trait. Jumping headfirst into things before you have them figured out IS a bad trait.
Sonny_LSU Offline
#46 Posted:
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"Chalk it up to ignorance. Coddled college boys who wouldn't know what service means unless you were talking about a butler."

so, MAC, you are now throwing all non-military views out the window? See, I know of MANY low-life pieces of criminal-minded garbage who went into the armed forces because it was the end of the road for them....now, am I to assume that ALL service men and women are of the same cloth? Absolutely, not. So, don't attack those who are educated because they didn't join the armed forces.
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