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AM I LOSING IT? NO.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 10-01-2000
Posts: 33,248
i watched most of the rice interview by the 9/11 commission, i read the redacted PDB, and i watched bush being interviewed this morning, sunday.

all the talking faces and pundits and the liberal radio and what there is of a liberal press are wrong.
i am completely convinced nothing could have been done to prevent the 9/11 tragedy. they can't blame bush or clinton or the horse they rode in on. when bush said this morning, there was nothing in that PDB that would point to anything that could have been done or "i would have moved mountains to do it", i believe him.

as far as i am concerned this issue no longer exists.

there were entirely too many people with a bit of this and a bit of that, and there was no coordination to put it all together. not bush's fault.

so that no one mistakes my epiphany, everything negative i ever said about little w, i still believe, with this one exception. i believe he was appointed to office by his father's supreme court justices, he was not and is not able to lead a band, no less an orchestra, and when he found out about the first plane hitting the WTC, he relied on the people he surrounded himself with, his father's "cronies." he expected them to do something because he was lost, over his head, totally incapable of action.

i trust my right wing foes will accept at least the first part of my post and not stoop to nasty remarks,
but i am naive.
xrundog Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 01-17-2002
Posts: 2,212
The comission makes for good sound bytes. But it is a TOTAL waste of money.
fritzthetiger Offline
#3 Posted:
Joined: 04-03-2004
Posts: 314
I wouldn't say it is a complete waste of $$$$. For those who lost a loved one questions needed to be answered. I believe there is NO blame on Bush or even Clinton for 9/11. I think it is sad that a country that was brought together after this horrific tragedy has become quite self-serving and divided again. I'm not referring to the political arena, but the racism, crime and whining about every little thing has got to stop.
Yes, I'm a leader in the Bush re-election drive, but I'm not so blinded to see it is happening even on my side of the fence.

Fritz
THL Offline
#4 Posted:
Joined: 10-22-2002
Posts: 3,044
IMHO you're absolutely right Rick, but the election is still 6 months away. We can look forward much more grandstanding and scandal mongering,(and that's exactly what this so called commission was) by both camps. Their respective choreagraphers are hard at work.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#5 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,507
Kinda hard to lose what you NEVER had!
rd2thbn Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 04-28-2003
Posts: 205
Good post, Rick. It appears to me that many people reading this memo see things there that can only be seen with 20/20 hindsight. I wish we could move away from assigning blame for 9/11 and focus on preventing it from happening again.
00camper Offline
#7 Posted:
Joined: 07-11-2003
Posts: 2,326
RICKAMAVEN, my father-in-law always said, "smart people change their minds but fools never do." You're smart enough to change your mind. The election is still several months away, there's still time enough to persuade you to vote for Dubya.
lukin Offline
#8 Posted:
Joined: 03-31-2004
Posts: 2,205
I just had a question and thought that Rick might be the most qualified to answer. It seems to me that the dems will never let go of the 2000 election. I will grant you it was close and if Gore had won I might feel the same way about the situation. That being said, if Bush wins undisputedly in November, will all of you dems finally give up the "ficticious" president thing or will this go on?
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#9 Posted:
Joined: 10-01-2000
Posts: 33,248
DrMaddVibe

"kinda hard to lose what you NEVER had."

wow, what a great response. you even used caps, capital letters, to emphasize.
JonR Offline
#10 Posted:
Joined: 02-19-2002
Posts: 9,740
Yo Rick: When I read the first part of your post I pictured you sitting in a chair in the center of a room with thirty gospel singer dancing around you clapping their hands singing "I've seen the light Lord, I've seen the light". Then I read the second part and thought you slipped back into liberalism. Don't get discouraged, even crack addicts slip a few times while trying to break the habit and we all know liberalism is alot harder to break away from than crack. Hang in there Rick, you can do it ! JonR..Ps. I don't consider myself your right wing foe, I consider myself more like your guidance counselor.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#11 Posted:
Joined: 10-01-2000
Posts: 33,248
lukin

good question.

i am sure that the democrats, i am a liberal, not a democrat, will claim voter fraud again, there are problems with the electronic voting devices made by die-bold, on of bush's big contributors.

some tests have been done and reported on by hackers, one of whom got in and changed the voting on a fictious election, got out without leaving a trace and did it in 5 minutes.

hackers have gotten into so many government secret sites and changed the web pages, it isn't even being reported anymore. what one programmer can do, another can undo.

personally i am convinced gore deserved to lose, because he didn't fight enough at the end. he never should have conceded. that makes me almost glad he didn't get elected. i prefer someone that dies with his boots on if he is going to lead me.

i will still call him little w, and i will remain convinced that a C averge isn't good enough to be president. if a passing grade is all he says he expects students and teachers should have with his "no child left behind" program, then he qualifies himself as passing enough to be the leader of the most powerful nation on the planet.

it isn't so much that he is hated by most world leaders. they think of him and say out loud he is dumber than a can of nails. he has never traveled out of the country except to mexico and one other place i can't remember. he doesn't read. he can't speak english very "good." he is really nothing more than a rich kid's son. not unlike tony soprano's brat AJ.

i don't know if that answers your question. it's the best i can do at this time of the day. way to early to by awake.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#12 Posted:
Joined: 10-01-2000
Posts: 33,248
00camper

see my response to lukin.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#13 Posted:
Joined: 10-01-2000
Posts: 33,248
JonR

you amaze me sometimes. you have a very good sense of humor.

the guidance counselor made both toby and i laugh. i'm glad you are not my foe and i hope you use the humor that you are very good at, to critique me.

now what can we do to help DMV out of his rut of sarcasm?

428cj Offline
#14 Posted:
Joined: 04-26-2003
Posts: 741
Wow Rick, congratulations on your breakthrough! I'm impressed that you feel this way now, and I'm happy you too understand that President Bush couldn't have done much to prevent the attack (maybe if HE had been in office for the prior eight years, but this is another thread I won't get into now!).

Nice to know some people can still look at facts and make informed decisions. Welcome to what I'm sure you feel is the 'dark side'. Haha.

But I have a question about something you typed about President Bush. You wrote: "he has never traveled out of the country except to mexico and one other place i can't remember". I couldn't tell if this was your opinion or not, is it? If you do believe this I recommend you do a little more research. Some places that come to mind now are: most of Europe, Eastern Europe, Russia. Just wondering.
eleltea Offline
#15 Posted:
Joined: 03-03-2002
Posts: 4,562
Rick, I am impressed.
Gene363 Offline
#16 Posted:
Joined: 01-24-2003
Posts: 30,838
Make that Mr. Big Dog

lukin Offline
#17 Posted:
Joined: 03-31-2004
Posts: 2,205
add iraq to that list of countries visited as well
bloody spaniard Offline
#18 Posted:
Joined: 03-14-2003
Posts: 43,802
I would love to invite Rick and Jon over to my house so that we could drink, banter, and barbecue on my raised deck with the torches ablaze.

Then, after eating we could break out my fencing foils and have some fun...

Don't call me blood for nofin'
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#19 Posted:
Joined: 10-01-2000
Posts: 33,248
428cj

sorry, i meant before being appointed. he displayed and continues to display no curiosity about anything.

after you graduate high school, if you have no interest in anything but your next meal, your next female conquest, your next three day weekend, you remain frozen in time. you do not grow. you remain an 18 year old. the same thing with college, except college is suppossed to open your mind to worlds you hadn't thought about and if you respond to that, you want to learn more and more about everything.

same with the web. if you spend all your time in chat rooms, trying to get laid, you are wasting any potential you might have to expand your mind.

it may seem like i am on this site a lot and i am, primarily, because i enjoy the shooting the breeze and have met some guys i never would have had the opportunity to come in contact with.

i spend more time searching the world for whatever strikes my fancy at the moment. i want to know more and more about anything and everything.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#20 Posted:
Joined: 10-01-2000
Posts: 33,248
bloody spaniard

perhaps you missed the post where JonR decided he would be my guidance counselor and i accepted.

we will not be foiling around with the likes of you.
stlbluesaddict Offline
#21 Posted:
Joined: 10-08-2003
Posts: 336
Completely agree with the first part. Unfortunately, at that time communication proved to be lacking.
bloody spaniard Offline
#22 Posted:
Joined: 03-14-2003
Posts: 43,802
Take it easy, Rick.
I got the point.
Just for that, no épée.
bassdude Offline
#23 Posted:
Joined: 01-13-2004
Posts: 8,871
'he relied on the people he surrounded himself with'

Sorry Rick but this is what all good leaders do regardless of the arena. If you were CEO of anything, are you going to surround yourself with proven knowledgable folks or any idiot off the street?

Glad to see a non-bashing post from you. We are opposites, I am conservative but not a Republican.
rd2thbn Offline
#24 Posted:
Joined: 04-28-2003
Posts: 205
And I thought I was the only one on this board trying to get laid. ;)
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