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Run away Jury = Run away liberals?
Robby Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 10-30-2002
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I just watched that movie, "Run Away Jury"

It was a good movie... But, it pissed me off!! It had such a hard left slant!

They were suing the gun companies (manufactures) because someone was shot. And they proceeded to demonize the second amendment...

WTF? Ok, given the same logic, let's consider the following.

1. A man drinks too many Budweiser’s in a bar and kills a mother and her children. Should Budweiser be sued? For selling the store the beer this man bought?

2. A man drives a Cadillac, he goes crazy, and mows through a crowd and kills a mother and her children, should GM be sued? For selling this man a car?

3. Tim McVey buys fertilizer and blows up a building, should the company that produced the product be sued?

At some point, where does personal responsibility enter in to the equation in a free society?

Why are people so quick to blame those who are blameless and make legal products? Why? ONE WORD! Money… NOT principal! Money…
rd2thbn Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 04-28-2003
Posts: 205
Hey Robby if want to really get sick, read Grisham's "The King Of Torts." It'll open your eyes to how these mass tort lawyers operate.

And to answer your rhetorical questions. Yes all those people/companies are liable and they all must be drummed out of business.

(Tongue planted firmly in cheek)
xibbumbero Offline
#3 Posted:
Joined: 01-25-2002
Posts: 12,535
Robby,I know what you mean,those movies slanted to the right piss me off as well. X :~)
uncleb Offline
#4 Posted:
Joined: 11-13-2002
Posts: 1,326
I just watched "the passion of the christ". My god (pun intended), that movie had such a right leaning stance. I couldn't believe it.


Come on now, it's just a movie. A piece of fiction. If you look in the theatre section of your local newspaper, I think you will find:

- Left leaning movies
- Right leaning movies
- Middle leaning movies
- Middle leaning movies, with a slight tilt left
- Middle leaning movies, with a slight tilt right
- Everywhere leaning movies (I hate these. I can never follow the plot.

Etc, etc, etc
plabonte Offline
#5 Posted:
Joined: 09-11-2000
Posts: 2,131
I agree with you Robby. However your examples aren't really the same. A gun is made for one purpose and one purpose only. And that is to kill.

I found it very interesting where they in the case where they asked about the gun and how it didn't hold figerprints. They lawyer asked the defendant why they would make such a thing and the defendant says its to reduce the chance of rust. Yeah right.
RDC Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 01-21-2000
Posts: 5,874
I am in the process of suing CBid for offering a product that is far too entising for me not to buy. This product delivers nicotine to my system in such a way I need to buy more and more and more. It is their fault, not mine.

I am also in the process of obtaining everyone's personal information on these boards so I can also sue them. The posters quite often post information that leads to my habitual cigar smoking by offering tips on how best to do most anything with a cigar.

We are a very litigious (sp) society and that very thing compells me to sue someone so I am also suing every attorney in the country.

I can not be held responsible for any thing I do or say.

That being said. F'k those that live by the afore mentioned paragraphs!

As for guns. They were made to kill. Kill the bad guy for protection and kill animals for food.

Somewhere along the way the bad guys got a hold of guns and turned them on the rest of us.

Guns don't kill people, I kill people.

The gun natzis will soon go after bullets making them illegal, so you better stock up.

There are thousands of gun laws on the books. All or most of which are unconstitutional. The laws were put there because the police could not keep guns out of the hands of the bad people. As a result the good guys are penalized and the bad guys keep thumbing their noses at the law and get there guns on the street and continue to shoot law abiding citizens.

Now that my blood pressue is sufficiently elevated from typing I will cease for a while before my head explodes.

I'll leave you with one final acronym to ponder
CHL
EI Offline
#7 Posted:
Joined: 06-29-2002
Posts: 5,069
"I agree with you Robby. However your examples aren't really the same. A gun is made for one purpose and one purpose only. And that is to kill.

I found it very interesting where they in the case where they asked about the gun and how it didn't hold figerprints. They lawyer asked the defendant why they would make such a thing and the defendant says its to reduce the chance of rust. Yeah right."
Plabonte,
You obviously know little if not nothing about guns.

First yes guns can kill. But that is not their sole purpose. Have you ever heard of Skeet shooting,Trap shooting. Hunting. Rifle and pistol target shooting.
Deterants to crime.Home protection
By your rational Police carry guns just to kill people. I guess we should disarm these bands of gun carrying kill happy thugs.
Also fingerprints carry and hold acids and oils that can and do rust metal. Making the surface of the metal matted such as texturing and parkerizing reduces the chance of rusting. Try this test, take a piece of sheet steel with no coating or galvinizing and place your bare hand on it and set it outside for a week

If you are so set against these weapons of destruction may I suggest a sign for your front lawn.
"PROUD SUPPORTER OF GUN CONTROL-NO FIREARMS KEPT IN THIS HOUSE"
And dont forget to leave your doors and windows open to let in the fresh air
plabonte Offline
#8 Posted:
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When guns were originally invented do you think it was for skeet shooting? No, guns are made to kill, people have just found some other uses for them.

Also EI take a pill. If you reread my thread you will see the first thing I said was "I agree with you Robby". Nowhere did I say I was antigun. I was just making some observations.

As far as the fingerprint proofing if it really is for rust proofing then why don't the firearms companies market these items as rust resistant? This was another interesting item brought up by the movie.
plabonte Offline
#9 Posted:
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Also, are you trying to tell me that a hunting rifle isn't made to kill? Wait let me guess you go out in the woods and just try to injur the game you are hunting right? Kind of the equivalent of catching a fish and throwing it back.
plabonte Offline
#10 Posted:
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Also, are you trying to tell me that a hunting rifle isn't made to kill? Wait let me guess you go out in the woods and just try to injur the game you are hunting right? Kind of the equivalent of catching a fish and throwing it back.
EI Offline
#11 Posted:
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calm down your starting to repeat yourself
plabonte Offline
#12 Posted:
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Yeah I tend to do that when I got all heated up. :o)

Just for the record I thought this was a really good movie and actually made a lot of good points on both sides of the argument.
Robby Offline
#13 Posted:
Joined: 10-30-2002
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The movie talks about "assault style" hand guns. I'm not familiar with this designation. The whole assault definition is used by the rabid anti-gun crowd to say these guns are made to kill people, well duh! I have many that were made for just that purpose and I believe the 2nd amendment guarantees my write to own them for that purpose. I have a nice safe I just had delivered. I'll be reinforcing the floor where it's going to sit this weekend. 800 lbs! It would damage the floor I'm afraid if I don't reinforce it.

Oh and LOL @ uncleb! Too funny!!
EI Offline
#14 Posted:
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When asked how many guns I have, my response is
"More than I need, but not as many as I want"
RDC Offline
#15 Posted:
Joined: 01-21-2000
Posts: 5,874
Beccaria, Cesare On Crimes and Punishment, quoted by Thomas Jefferson in Commonplace Book
1774-1776
Topic: Arms

Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.

Jefferson, Thomas Draft Constitution for the State of Virginia
June, 1776
Topic: Arms

No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms [within his own lands].

Federal Farmer Antifederalist Letter, No.18
January 25, 1778
Topic: Arms

[W]hereas, to preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them; nor does it follow from this, that all promiscuously must go into actual service on every occasion. The mind that aims at a select militia, must be influenced by a truly anti-republican principle; and when we see many men disposed to practice upon it, whenever they can prevail, no wonder true republicans are for carefully guarding against it.

Johnson, Zacharia speech in the Virginia Ratifying Convention
June 25, 1778
Topic: Arms

[T]he people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them.

Recommended Bill of Rights from the Virginia Ratifying Convention
June 27, 1778
Topic: Arms

That the people have a right to keep and bear arms; that a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defence of a free state; that standing armies, in time of peace, are dangerous to liberty, and therefore ought to be avoided, as far as the circumstances and protection of the community will admit; and that, in all cases, the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.

Henry, Patrick speech in the Virginia Ratifying Convention
June 5, 1778
Topic: Arms

Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined.

Henry, Patrick speech in the Virginia Ratifying Convention
June 5, 1778
Topic: Arms

O sir, we should have fine times, indeed, if, to punish tyrants, it were only sufficient to assemble the people! Your arms, wherewith you could defend yourselves, are gone; and you have no longer an aristocratical, no longer a democratical spirit. Did you ever read of any revolution in a nation, brought about by the punishment of those in power, inflicted by those who had no power at all?

Jefferson, Thomas letter to Peter Carr
August 19, 1785
Topic: Arms

A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks.

A Pennsylvanian The Pennsylvania Gazette
February 20, 1788
Topic: Arms

Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? It is feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American...[T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.

Hamilton, Alexander Federalist No. 29
January 10, 1788
Topic: Arms

If a well-regulated militia be the most natural defense of a free country, it ought certainly to be under the regulation and at the disposal of that body which is constituted the guardian of the national security. If standing armies are dangerous to liberty, an efficacious power over the militia in the same body ought, as far as possible, to take away the inducement and the pretext to such unfriendly institutions. If the federal government can command the aid of the militia in those emergencies which call for the military arm in support of the civil magistrate, it can the better dispense with the employment of a different kind of force. If it cannot avail itself of the former, it will be obliged to recur to the latter. To render an army unnecessary will be a more certain method of preventing its existence than a thousand prohibitions upon paper.

rd2thbn Offline
#16 Posted:
Joined: 04-28-2003
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"As far as the fingerprint proofing if it really is for rust proofing then why don't the firearms companies market these items as rust resistant? This was another interesting item brought up by the movie."

I know it was a topic in the movie, but in real life, who makes a gun that's marketed to resist fingerprints?

If it was in the movie, it must be true.
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