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http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/2004-05-06-greenspan_x.htm

uncleb, if deficits are not a good thing, why did a democrat controlled House and Senate run them for so many decades?

Very nice Thom and I agree, the economy is in the midst of a strong rebound. Leaving the neo-libs to do nothing but scratch their “heads” and whine… All they can do is hope that something, anything bad will happen so their man Lurch can be elected. My question remains unanswered;

"uncleb, if deficits are not a good thing, why did a democrat controlled House and Senate run them for so many decades?"

Additionally, is it even remotely possible that the current deficit may be a legacy of the Clinton recession? It started before W took office (fact dudes, deal with it). And maybe, just maybe Muslim terrorists flying in to buildings put a ding in the deficit? And perhaps 2 wars? Hello? McFly? Are you listening? Or are you hiding your head vis-à-vis an ostrich?

I’m thinking it’s probably the later, and not the former for our less conservative BOTL.

Ahhh, well then, I ask the same question of you sir, "if deficits are not a good thing, why did a democrat controlled House and Senate run them for so many decades?"

Robby,

I did not intend to depict this, nor do I, as a Dem vs Rep issue. I am saying straight out that deficits are not good for the economy whether is it Dem run or Rep run.

Question for you- Do you think deficits are good for the economy, whether they are Dem run or Rep run?

BTW- My wife and I NEVER carry a credit card debt. We refuse to pay rediculous interest rates. We pay off our balance each month. Just good economic sense.

B.

Yep Robby,
Your spin will not work on this issue. Re-read the article.
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
P.S. I wish McCain, would have run in the republican primary. It would have given me a reasonable choice for president. Now I have to hold my nose to vote.

Robby,
That is one-track thinking.


Many people could go on all day, talking about how the current administrations economic policy will negatively affect my children, my grandchildren, and future generations.

Leave to Robby to politicize everything possible in the most creative neo-con artistic ways. Economics is not the issue (in his mind at least)... Its simply that his place to be Cbids foremost Neo-con attack dog.. Probably works for Cheney in his spare time.

This is probably common knowledge.

(satire) Hey Robby?? The Sky is Blue!!!!!
(must be those damn Democrats fault!! Those Blue states suck..... Lets get the smokestacks going and make the skies red)

Robby,
I don't consider the deficit issue to really be a partisan issue, because both parties are guilty. The Republicans made it a huge issue, back during the Newt Gingrich days, and now are ignoring the very arguements they used then. The Democrats are guilty of deficit spending, but that is what helped the Republicans gain their majority in the house and senete. The hypocracy, is now that they, Republicans, are running the show, they have ignored their own issue, and in fact have embraced deficit spending, except for a few standouts, like McCain. I have problems, as most conservatives do, with deficit spending. But the Republicans, have left us, true conservatives, out in the cold. It just goes to show, that the two major parties, have lost touch with reality. They are both against deficit spending, when they are not the ones doing the spending. That is why I am no longer a republican, but a Libertarian. I am not the only exrepublican, who has left the party, due to the hypocracy, conserning deficit spending, and I will not be voting for Bush, this time around. Bush did win the last election, through the electoral college, but not the popular vote, so you can not call it soundly defeating Gore. I voted for Bush against Gore, but will hold my nose and vote for Kerry. If there are enough of us that do so, Bush will lose the election, and there will be a balence in our government again.
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)

Homebrew's post is both excellent and a prime example why our media has adopted the use of the term "NeoCon" There are huge numbers of disillusioned, thinking reasonable traditional conservatives whose values are their own and the product of reasonable thinking. Homebrew is not alone. Then there are the neo-cons who rationalize and change their values on a dime to suit the immediate propaganda needs of the current Bush administration. Their only concern themselves with smearing and attacking their opponents to maintain power.

I'm saying there are traditional conservatives who can help unite work together and can find common ground with liberals. Then there are neo-cons whose agenda is completely divisive and dangerous.

Robby, you sir have complete utter ignorance when it comes to me. This ignorance is becoming famous here on Cbid. The main difference between you and me is that I make observations and you sir, in the spirit of the wonderful leaders that your support have taken lying to a new neo-con artist art form.

FYI, I am a extremely dishearted ex-Republican who was invited to Bush the First's inaguration, supported Reagan on 1980, met him on 2 occassions and was very active with Dole's presidential campaign in '88 along with my Republican congressman throughout the 80's. These were conservatives I had some respect for. I was an active involved Republican up until 1991. Then I was fairly independent for the next 9 years

But since 2000, thanks primarily to neo-cons like yourself and GWB especially, I am now solidly and actively involved with the Democrats. I (probably unlike you .. believe in giving and working for what I believe in) Like I did when I was a Republican I am active and involved both with the presidential campaign and my congressional campaign. I've put dozens of hours of volunteer work and hundreds of dollars of my hard earned money into the cause. Had it not been for the neo-cons, These efforts would probably still have been been with more traditional conservatives like Homebrew and the leaders be supports. There are traditional conservatives and then there are neo-cons like yourself, Robby. It's the neo-Cons that have made the Republican Party an organization I can no longer support in any way. And with every politicizing post you neo-cons make, it does nothing but make me an more activist liberal.

Robby, you have never made any refeerence to actually making any efforts for the neo-cons you support other than ranting on this board ad infinitum. Heck I've probably done way more to support conservatives that guys like Homebrew can respect than you've ever done for your neo-caon artist leaders. And in that neo-con tradition, sir, you do nothing but show us all that you are are nothing but an insulting brainwashed neo-con artist attack dog.

You are only verbally deficating on yourself my friend. And we're all beginning to get more familiar with what that smells like.

DB

Robby, your gay analogy makes no sense
I have no reason to lie about this. I was pretty much a Republican until 1991. In 1990 I married a conservative Christian gal who I discovered was nice and gracious on the outside and violent, mean-spirited and hateful in a very bigotted way on the inside. She introduced me to many others in the neo-conservative right who had the same ultra-hypocritical behavior. Her behavior was vain, self-focused and socially climbing. Although professing Chritianity publically she and her friends were often quite sinful in their actions.

Ultimately I felt my association with those in this neo-con frame of mind was abhorant. A year later I divorced her and married a far more loving and sensible gal who is nurturing and caring as a pediatric nurse. Politically I became more independent and considerate of Reform and Libertarian platforms and also benefted from the economics of the 1990's in a very positive way which gave me more respect for the Democrats understanding of economic issues in general.

Then came the witch hunt with the Clinton's impeachment over a lousy BJ. A personal issue that the neo-cons decided to channel major resources into make a big issue out of costing taxpayers huge amounts of money. Then the smear campaigns that GW Bush directed at John McCain. The rise of the right wing media and its propaganda machine which brainwashes people like you, Robby into non-thinking insult machines. And finally the lies that are manefesting in billions of lost dollars and thousands of lost lives in Iraq. This is not any casual flip flop. This is a very deliberative change of mind coming events that should cause any caring thinking person to change his mind.

Just like Kerry coming to the conclusions about atrocities in Vietnam, I am about the actions of the neo-cons. And that has what has made me a liberal

Well. perhaps there is hope for you yet, Robby...

Now if we can all keep an open enough mind to investigate who John Kerry really is as we begin to see more unbiased sources on the subject and not through the lying misrepresentations that the Bush ads and the neo-con media present. Perhaps Dubya might even consider a debate or two. Wouldn't that be interesting.

You just might find him to be a lot more viable than you see him now.... At least a lot more viable than the status quo with GWB.