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U.S. athletes told to cool it at Olympics
RDC Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 01-21-2000
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What a load of ****!

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20040516-121028-9603r.htm

U.S. athletes told to cool it at Olympics


By Simon Hart
LONDON SUNDAY TELEGRAPH


NEW YORK — American athletes have been warned not to wave the U.S. flag during their medal celebrations at this summer's Olympic Games in Athens, for fear of provoking crowd hostility and harming the country's already-battered public image.
The spectacle of victorious athletes grabbing a national flag and parading it around the stadium is a familiar part of international sporting competition, but U.S. Olympic officials have ordered their 550-strong team to exercise restraint and avoid any jingoistic behavior.


The plan is part of a charm offensive aimed at repairing the country's international reputation after the deepening crisis in Iraq and damaging revelations of the mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners by U.S. forces at the Abu Ghraib prison.
"American athletes find themselves in extraordinary circumstances in Athens in relation to the world as we know it right now," said Mike Moran, a veteran former spokesman for the United States Olympic Committee who has been retained as a consultant to advise athletes how to behave.
"Regardless of whether there is anti-American sentiment in Athens or not, the world watches Americans a lot now in terms of how they behave and our culture. What I am trying to do with the athletes and coaches is to suggest to them that they consider how the normal things they do at an event, including the Olympics, might be viewed as confrontational or insulting or cause embarrassment."
Four years ago at the Sydney Olympics, members of the victorious American 400-meter relay team were widely condemned for strutting with the U.S. flag after their gold medal presentation. American officials, mindful of the country's precarious standing in world opinion, are desperate to avoid any repeat.
"Unfortunately, using the flag as a prop or a piece of apparel or indulging in boasting behavior is becoming part of our society in sport because every night on TV we see our athletes — professional, college or otherwise — taunting their opponents and going face-to-face with each other," Mr. Moran said. "We are trying for 17 days to break that culture.
"What I am telling the athletes is, 'Don't run over and grab a flag and take it round the track with you.' It's not business as usual for American athletes. If a Kenyan or a Russian grabs their national flag and runs round the track or holds it high over their heads, it might not be viewed as confrontational. Where we are in the world right now, an American athlete doing that might be viewed in another manner."
Mr. Moran added that the behavior of British athletes could face similar scrutiny in Athens, though the British Olympic Association insists there are no plans to ban them from celebrating with the Union flag.
"It's up to every athlete how he or she wishes to celebrate their Olympic success, and there are no plans to issue any instructions," a spokesman for the association said. "We are confident that every athlete will celebrate in a responsible way."
The USOC's anxiety at overexuberant displays of jingoism is a far cry from scenes at the 2002 Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City, where the American flag became the defining symbol of the Games.
A different environment awaits the American team in Athens, where officials are anxious to replace apple pie with humble pie.
Americans were booed at the World Athletics Championships in Paris last year largely because of Jon Drummond's histrionic protest at his disqualification from a heat of the 100 meters. Also, at an Olympic soccer qualifying match in Mexico earlier this year, the American team was subjected to sustained razzing by a section of the crowd, including chants of "Osama, Osama!"
"We're not the favorite kid in the world right now," conceded Bill Martin, the USOC's acting president. "We are sensitive not only to the security issue, but to jingoism in its raw sense. That is why we are sending people around to educate the athletes as to the appropriate behavior."
rasdas Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 03-13-2003
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I am sure someone somewhere will turn this around and say we are not parading with our flag because we are not proud of our contry...

I say freck it...grab the flag and take a victory lap...and Greece better have enough gaurds to keep our athletes safe...

What i am concerned about is people in the stands with American Flags...who is going to protect them...

RasDas

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RICKAMAVEN Offline
#3 Posted:
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Posts: 33,248
RDC

worth repeating "What a load of ****"

we could boycot and see if there the is any olympic without us. f**k those old bastards that run the olympics as though the games were about them.
RDC Offline
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Copy and Pasted...

In December 1979, Afghanistan was invaded by Soviet troops. The USSR
justified this unprovoked invasion as "helping an ally", but others
saw it as a preemptive strike against Muslims. During the time,
U.S.-Soviet relations were less than great and the U.S. saw this act
of aggression by the Soviets as unacceptable. The United States (and
Jimmy Carter) demanded withdrawl by February 20, 1980. Otherwise, the
U.S. would abstain from the Olympics. The U.S. also encouraged its
allies to withdraw from the Olympics. Of course, the Soviets did not
retreat from Afghanistan, and 61 countries including Japan, Canada and
West Germany did not participate in the 1980 Olympics. Surprisingly,
France, Great Britain, Italy and Sweden did not join the boycott. A
total of 81 countries continued their participation - the lowest since
1956.

The United States believed that participating in the Olympics would
imply support for the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. To not
participate would draw attention to the opinions of the United States
and would put the USSR in a bad light. This was Jimmy Carter's
intention - he wanted to make a point. He also did not want a
glorification of the Soviet Union, as happened in 1936 when the
Olympics were held in Berlin. During that year, the Nazis showed
themselves off, giving the world a peek at their perfect organisation
and "perfect" society.

The Soviets benefitted the most from the boycott. They won more medals
because Soviet athletes had less competition. The Soviets won 197
medals, including 80 gold medals. In fact, Soviet gymnast Aleksandr
Dityatin, who participated in 1980, was the only athlete ever to win a
eight medals in one Olympiad.

Most hurt by Carter's decision were the American and allied athletes.
Athletes train for many years in anticipation of the Olympics. After
Carter managed to persuade the American Olympic Committee to withdraw,
athletes felt dejected and abandoned. They had trained for many months
and years and laboured through hours of sweat only to be forbidden to
participate. They had to wait another four years for the next
Olympiad, but many athletes could not do so because they were getting
old. Thousands of athletes missed a chance at winning a medal. They
had negative opinions towards towards boycott.

Pole vaulter Abilene Olson trained for 1980, only to have been held
back by the boycott. He then missed the next Olympics (1984), held in
Los Angeles, because of an injury. He made the 1988 Olympics but
failed to bring home any medals. Olson feels as if he lost a chance to
win, because of the boycott. Read more of his story here:
http://www.reporternews.com/2001/sports/miss1009.html

Other athletes felt that if the boycott would have accomplished
something, then it would have been worthwhile. Alas, the Soviets did
not withdraw from Afghanistan. The boycott accomplished ltitle. There
is a good list of quotes from athletes, giving their negative reaction
to the boycott here:
http://www.runningtimes.com/issues/80/boycott1980.htm

There were greater implications from the boycott. The Soviets, along
with fourteen other Soviet Bloc nations, boycotted the 1984 Olympics
in retaliation, which was held in Los Angeles. Even now, there is a
small movement to boycott the 2008 Beijing Olympics because of China's
spotty human rights history. They cite the 1980 boycott as "a terrible
defeat" to the IOC. Of course, the Olympics were still held
successfully in 1980, albeit with fewer participants.

In summary, Jimmy Carter felt it necessary to boycott the Moscow
Olympics in protest over the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. It did
not obtain desired results; on the contrary, the Soviets won more
medals as a result. The boycott greatly hurt American athletes, who
were robbed of a chance at winning a medal.

nfldraftman Offline
#5 Posted:
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Wave it. Wave it proud and throw it in the face of the camera. I'm not big on this conflict in Iraq, but I'll be damned to hell if I am not proud of this country. We have our issues, internally and externally but that is no reason to be timid or ashamed of all the great things that this nation has accomplished and will accomplish. Mistakes have and will be made, but sacking up and moving on and staying true to what you believe is always the best course of action. If an athlete wants to wave that flat and drape it across his shoulders then do it. If not, then don't. But don't tell them how to behave if they win a medal in what might be one of the high points of their lives.
Gb Offline
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I agree with nfl... I'm not big on over zealous celebrating, but you can't tell a group of athletes not to show their patriotism. They should be expected to act with class and dignity as they are representing this country in a rough time, but by all means... wave that flag!!!
Thom Offline
#7 Posted:
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As if their uniforms won't say U.S.A. all over them and be red, white, and blue. Is waving a flag really going to make that big a difference?

Paranoia self destroya.
Liz62803 Offline
#8 Posted:
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the olympics is about representing your country, being proud of your country enough to want to do your best and make your country proud of you as well as being proud of your own accomplishments. If I was an olympic athlete from any country and was told I couldn't be proud of my country I wouldn't want to go to the olympics even though I had trained all my life for that moment - to do what?? Represent my country in the olympics. Telling those athletes that they can't wave the flag is ridiculous. There is a lot of things that happen in this country that I'm not proud of, there are a lot of things that this country has done in the past outside of our gates so to speak that I haven't agreed with etc, but that doesn't make me less proud of her or the men and women who have fought, have paid the ultimate sacrifice for this country. It is for that fact that I would wave that flag high and proud and if someone didn't like it then they can kiss my proud American arse!
dbguru Offline
#9 Posted:
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Posts: 1,300
Back in 1980 I had 2 personal friends who had made the 1980 Olympic squad... I always felt the boycott was wrong... This was one decision that contributed to me voting Republican in 1980.

Honestly, The athletes should show their patriotic enthusiam if their efforts are victorious regardless of the country they are from. Hey, these are athletes not politicians. If someone objects to an athlete doing some flag waving then they got problems.. not the athlete.
Sonny_LSU Offline
#10 Posted:
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Posts: 1,835
F...U...C...M...
mydsooner Offline
#11 Posted:
Joined: 12-29-2003
Posts: 3,245
Screw them all! We are Americans! Is it not ok anymore to be proud of your country?


If this happens then i will be ashamed of our athletes.
428cj Offline
#12 Posted:
Joined: 04-26-2003
Posts: 741
Rick and Sonny, I'm really starting to get scared now. I'm agreeing with you two more and more!! Haha.

I totally agree, if our athletes aren't allowed to celebrate victory by showing their patriotic feelings we should boycott. Like Rick said, let's see how much of an Olympics there'd be without the US participating. If showing the American flag would so anger the crowd we shouldn't be there anyway (along with our loads of $$$$$) Unbelievable.
Liz62803 Offline
#13 Posted:
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Posts: 2,921
not the athletes fault if they are being told not to do it. What are they going to do if the athletes wave the flag, make them leave and go back home???? Isn't that taking away the freedom that so many have died to keep for us so that we can wave a flag and be proud of our country and our athletes?????
Thom Offline
#14 Posted:
Joined: 12-08-2003
Posts: 6,117
I have to agree however, after re-reading the article, that the flag should not be used as a taunting device or worn. Very disrespectful.

Plus I had to bust out the dictionary for "jingoism" (I thought I knew what it meant but I was wrong) and I would also agree that we need to realize that other countries view us in this manner.
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