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billyjackson Offline
#1 Posted: Mon, May 17 2004, 7:49 AM EST
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This question is for those who plan on supporting Kerry in the election (not for those who support Bush, but I'm sure you all will chime in anyway).

Is it that you really think Kerry is good for the country or is it that you despise Bush to the point that you would vote for anyone as long as it's not him??
billyjackson Offline
#2 Posted: Mon, May 17 2004, 7:49 AM EST
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Damn this lack of edit function!!!!!!!!!!!!
Charlie Offline
#3 Posted: Mon, May 17 2004, 7:51 AM EST
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Sad, but I am willing to bet that 20 to 25% of Kerry's supporters are anti Bush! That is too bad!

Charlie
Buckwheat Offline
#4 Posted: Mon, May 17 2004, 8:07 AM EST
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I wonder how may people who voted for Bush were just Clinton haters?

...and the pendulum swings...

P.S. I voted for McCain ;-}
dbguru Offline
#5 Posted: Mon, May 17 2004, 8:17 AM EST
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But don't you think 20-30 percent of Bush voters in 2000 really had other preferences but their moral convictions along with heavy doses of right wing biased talk shows and clergy basically got them to vote for Bush purely on the grounds that they learned to hate Clinton... Heck you still see this attitude very pervasive on this board.

Some of Kerry's supporters are much more extreme on than left than I would ever be and really are pretty much ABB voters.

Then you have the Naderites who have fallen completely off the deep end and in essence support Bush without realizing it. (I call them the Moronic Idiots for Nader's Dumbass Little Egomaniac Stupid Suggestions.... AKA M.I.N.D.L.E.S.S)

Personally, I have avidly supported Kerry, devoted hours of my time and hundreds of my hard earned dollars to his campaign since the end of last year... I think he has many major strong points.
* War experience, understands the common soldier
* Environmental awareness
* Economic expertise that emphasizes prosperity for both businesses and consumers.
* Strong support of revamping a health care system that promotes health of all and not profits for a few.
* Presidential stature and presence (uses Botox more effectively than any other canddidate .... hehehe)
* Scientifically astute
* Shows compassion and caring and a true sense of conviction.

I know I'll get several disagreements quotes and links to sites which smear and lie about this guy unmercifully. The degree to which over 100 million dollars have been spent to deceive and lie about Kerry is amazing. And the degree to which this stuff has absolutely brainwashed and blinded millions to facts and truth is unprecedented.

None of that is going to change what I know is true and that fact is that John Kerry would make a fantastic president. www.johnkerry.com for more details
DB



DrMaddVibe Offline
#6 Posted: Mon, May 17 2004, 11:11 AM EST
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Swift Boat Vets Accuse Kerry of Vietnam Photo Fraud

Eleven out of a group of nineteen Vietnam swift boat veterans pictured in Sen. John Kerry's presidential campaign literature demanded on Monday that he stop misrepresenting them as supporters.

"Many of us don't want to be included in that picture because we have a rather unsavory feeling about this fellow," Kerry swift boatmate Bob Elder told nationally syndicated radio host Linda Chavez.

Citing the top Democrat's anti-war activities after he returned from Vietnam, Elder told Chavez, "We regard the fact that he rallied the American public against his fellow comrades in arms as basically a betrayal of all of us."

Swift boat veteran Bill Shumadine, who's also pictured in the campaign literature, told the Liberty Broadcasting host that he didn't want to be associated with Kerry in any way, calling his conduct after the war "very offensive."

"Having my picture there it appears that I somehow support his cause," Shumadine explained, adding, "It's not something that I'm proud to be associated with."

Elder, Shumadine and nine others have banded together in a group they call "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth," which includes more than 220 Vietnam veterans who served in Kerry's unit.

Of the remaining six veterans pictured in the photograph, "one is deceased and three do not wish to be involved in any manner; only two of the 19 are believed to support Kerry," the group said in a Monday press release.

"His use of a photograph with his 18 comrades with knowledge that 12 of them condemn him . . . is a complete misrepresentation to the public and a total fraud," Shumadine added.

Elder told Chavez that the group of twelve included not only Kerry's boat mates, but two of his superior officers who joined in condemning Democratic presidential candidate.

He noted also that at a press conference Friday in Washington, the group was joined by Jim Zumwalt, son of the late Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, former chief of naval operations during the Vietnam war.

"Even Jim Zumwalt, on his father's behalf, joined us in condemning the activities of John, saying they do not make this man a fit candidate for Commander in Chief," Elder told Chavez.

In an open letter to Kerry included with the press release, the group said, "We did not give permission for you to use a photo including our image, nor do we support you. . . We join our fellow Swiftees who believe that someone who heaped scorn and lies on his own unit for his personal political gain is not fit to be Commander in Chief."
dbguru Offline
#7 Posted: Mon, May 17 2004, 11:15 AM EST
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DMV's Source???? Nazi's for a Better America???

Or are these just your opinions... Your cut and paste is a waste of Cbid space unless you substantiate it.

(But why bother with facts when you can simply paste assertions from neo-con propaganda websites who lie and mislead without any substantiation)
billyjackson Offline
#8 Posted: Mon, May 17 2004, 11:16 AM EST
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Never mind. I thought I could just ask a question. Dumbass am I.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#9 Posted: Mon, May 17 2004, 11:25 AM EST
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DB you're a walking billboard for denial! You'd throw your convictions out like yesterday's garbage and vote against what your spine tells you to do because of some ahtletes and then donate your time (like you can fabricate more!) to a flip-flopping egotistical self-grandiose individual that has only sought to better his own stature at the expense of others.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/5/17/135458.shtml

Nazi Party...pull your head out of your ass!
dbguru Offline
#10 Posted: Mon, May 17 2004, 11:36 AM EST
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Newsmax one of the most neo-con right wing biased propaganda sites in the country. I knew it... No way could this kind of trash come from a repudable source... But of course I do understand the addiction you neo-cons have to such trash sites as this...... Its just another flavor of Bush Kool-aid. DMV you wold know a fact if it was 2 inches in front of you. You have my sympathy.
DB
DrMaddVibe Offline
#11 Posted: Mon, May 17 2004, 11:40 AM EST
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http://www.swiftvets.com/Index2.htm

Kool-aid? Leave it to a kid!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#12 Posted: Mon, May 17 2004, 11:43 AM EST
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And yes...I wold(sic)know a fact if I saw it. Thanks for admitting what most already knew!
Charlie Offline
#13 Posted: Mon, May 17 2004, 11:45 AM EST
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dbguru, you toss around neo con, and other things such as Nazi, etc regarding Republicans with such ease that it amazes me! what about the moveon's and the far left wing element that you think is so clean? Michael Moore is a real advocate for what is fair and just in this country............LMAO!

Charlie
dbguru Offline
#14 Posted: Mon, May 17 2004, 11:46 AM EST
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My typos are famous....
dbguru Offline
#15 Posted: Mon, May 17 2004, 11:58 AM EST
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Hey Charlie....
I'ts just rude and disrespectful of our copyright laws to do a cut and paste without a source. DMV never bothered to tell us where these statements were from. Therefore its CRAP. At least tell us whose making the statements. Finally he supplied the source. DMV do us a favor and let us know where you get your stuff.

Also I'm really a lot more impressed by someone speaking there own minds rather than using someone else to voice there opinions for them.

But if your have to use someone els to help you prove a point give us some deal who is talking for you.

I'm sure you'll agree with me that some sources carry more weight than others, right? OK, we may disagree on what those sources are. NewsMax is in my opinion one of the most biased propaganda machines out there. Some of you think that about (smirk, smirk) CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC, the Washington Post, the LA Times and the New York Times (DB rolling his eyes). But you classify Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage and others as reasonable journalists. OK whatever... In my opinion if your in that camp then your ability to assess facts has gone off the deep end. This is what I have observed about DMV.
Thom Offline
#16 Posted: Mon, May 17 2004, 12:01 PM EST
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Talk about a thread jack...
HockeyDad Offline
#17 Posted: Mon, May 17 2004, 12:02 PM EST
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dbguru,

It doesn't look too good to first say "I have avidly supported Kerry, devoted hours of my time and hundreds of my hard earned dollars to his campaign since the end of last year" and then at the first sign of anything contrary, you freak out and start screaming "Nazis!" Keep in mind, many undecideds may be reading this.

The Swiftvets story has been circulating since May 4. DrMaddVibe has cited you the website of the organization. Further Google searches could locate numerous articles about it, such as NewsMax. This Google search might be more useful than simply screaming "Nazi!" The basics of the issue is Kerry has been running around using an old Vietnam photo in his campaign literature picturing 19 fellow swift boat commanders. The majority of those in the photo are against Kerry. Those against John Kerry would like them to stop using their photo.

By the way, in your first post you mentioned that Kerry understands the common soldier. By "common soldier", were you referring to the North Vietnamese Army or the Viet Cong?

BillyJackson,

On multiple threads I have tried to solicit positive commentary on John Jerry other than the fact that he is not George W Bush. I have had no success.

RICKAMAVEN Offline
#18 Posted: Mon, May 17 2004, 12:04 PM EST
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billyjackson

i believe the underlying truth is that when someone wants to be in charge of anything from pta chairman to president of the usa, he or she does so because of ego.
"i can do this better then anyone" must float through their brain. it may or may not be true when he or she gets the job, but the person will still believe he or she is doing the right thing.

i believe most people vote for the one they think will do the least harm and hopefully the most good, except in the case of little w, whose followers are drawn to this nincompop because of the propaganda. the pictures of him in front of something round, giving him a halo affect. the picture of him at mt rushmore that makes it appear as if he is part of the mountain. he is sold to america better than soap, beer, or cigarettes were.

if the country can care who is the winning survivor or who is the american idol, then selling little w is not really that difficult.

i hope kerry wins. for me personally i would vote for a chicken to get little w out and avoid any more damage his puppet masters can and will do.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#19 Posted: Mon, May 17 2004, 12:06 PM EST
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Charlie

i agree with you this time. "Michael Moore is a real advocate for what is fair and just in this country."
dbguru Offline
#20 Posted: Mon, May 17 2004, 12:07 PM EST
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Rick... Voting for a chicken over a chicken hawk right??
DrMaddVibe Offline
#21 Posted: Mon, May 17 2004, 12:17 PM EST
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Queen of Denial, if you're going to harp about cut and paste...when are YOU going to jump Rick's case? There are several that do the same too!

About the only time I'll cut and paste anything is to back up an opinion that I already hold or to show the truth and back it up. If it doesn't happen to jive with some preconceived notion of yours...whoa! World watch out! I'm old enough to see right through your "tantrums" and am quite amused at how you'd show the world how easy your "feathers are ruffled". Adding truth to the old adage..."The Truth hurts".

This isn't a literary society so don't mince the copyright issue like you're some authority on the subject! If you want to start your own blog and conduct it in such an anal manner, then by all means do! I'd suggest taking a spelling class or English as a second language first though as you have a penchant for spelling and writing like a wino. It would be a benefit to not only yourself but to us instead of graciously "donating" your time to the likes of Hanoi John!
dbguru Offline
#22 Posted: Mon, May 17 2004, 12:28 PM EST
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What do you think of this statement DMV??

If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier - so long as I'm the dictator

dbguru Offline
#23 Posted: Mon, May 17 2004, 12:30 PM EST
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Here is another

Well, I think if you say you're going to do something and don't do it, that's trustworthiness
dbguru Offline
#24 Posted: Mon, May 17 2004, 12:34 PM EST
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Another statement DMV.. do you agree or dissagree??

I would strongly reject that assumption - that John Ashcroft is a open-minded, inclusive person
dbguru Offline
#25 Posted: Mon, May 17 2004, 12:55 PM EST
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Hello DMV....
where are you?????
Brave enough to respond....
or who is the queen of denial???

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE 3 STATEMENTS ABOVE??
DrMaddVibe Offline
#26 Posted: Mon, May 17 2004, 12:58 PM EST
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I think you're late for some rally or you might even try switching to decaf...some say that it tastes the same without all the jittery side effects!
dbguru Offline
#27 Posted: Mon, May 17 2004, 1:33 PM EST
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Love decaf.... drink it all the time... So what's your take on the three statements above?? I'd really like to know?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#28 Posted: Mon, May 17 2004, 2:04 PM EST
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1)"If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier - so long as I'm the dictator" is attributed to A politician and NOT GW. http://www.consortiumnews.com/2002/062102a.html

Nice try.

2 & 3)That's GW from a CNN online chat, Aug. 30, 2000. You could find gaffes on any famous person. Granted GW does have a lot, but I can look past "simple" mistakes. His leadership ability in a post 9-11 world makes up for any slip of the tongue he has made or will ever make! It's not like he's sitting in front of congress admitting to committing war crimes and atrocities to mankind! Oh wait, that's your time wasting endeavor, Hanoi John! You'd like us to believe he's alright though.

So? It didn't take bravery to answer your questions. Just a little "digging" your "highness"!
dbguru Offline
#29 Posted: Mon, May 17 2004, 2:11 PM EST
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DMV... you seem reluctant to respond.....
Hmmm At least you throw quotes without sources I seem to have enough guts to tell you what I think about them. and what I think about unsubstantiated crap cut and pasted from propaganda sites like Newsmax....
And also seem to have the guts to express a true bonafide DBguru opinion rather than let an anonymous cut from and paste represent my thoughts.... Also known as thinking for yourself

So I really want to see if you have the guts to think for yourself as well and tell me what you think of the above 3 statements... (Sidebar: whose calling who the Queen....) Sources for these statements aren't important as you've said yourself.

I'm just wondering if you can express an honest opinion about these statements that is truly your own and not cut and paste from someone elses mind....
DrMaddVibe Offline
#30 Posted: Mon, May 17 2004, 2:18 PM EST
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You've got your answers.
dbguru Offline
#31 Posted: Mon, May 17 2004, 2:32 PM EST
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DMV
good... you responded finally....

These quotes have several sources....
and they are all atributable to GW Bush even though you would never agree with them at face value and unsubstantiated. So you still didn't have the guts to express an honest opinion by themselves because..... welll there is a need that you obviously had to put them in context. Context that is lacking in most of the crap that you cut and paste on this board coming fron the neo-con propaganda sites. I have every right to demand some context and substantiation on the propganda that you neo-cons post that you obviously felt compelled to find out on the three simple statements I posted... The difference is that you guys cut out paragraphs and pages of neo-con misinformation. It takes a lot more than a shovel to dig out of it.

oh and you don't have to stoop to the level of an imbicle by using snide references to me like Highness and queen whatever, not that I think you are an imbicle. People notice those who resorts to namecalling and generally think of them as ****... not that I think that of you. Nevertheless, I have had direct conversations with some other BOTL on this board express that thought about those resorting to namecalling and there reluctance to even talk to morons who resort to namecalling, not that I think you are a moron. Its just that this namecalling tendency is something you seem to have a hard time avoiding... something else to think about.

DB
dbguru Offline
#32 Posted: Mon, May 17 2004, 2:40 PM EST
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Oh and if you are so forgiving of Bushes gaffes then it would be utterly hypocritical not to forgive my misspelling gaffes too.....
dbguru Offline
#33 Posted: Mon, May 17 2004, 2:42 PM EST
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I'm done... going to watch my son play soccer....
Good bye for now
Robby Offline
#34 Posted: Mon, May 17 2004, 3:36 PM EST
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(i thought he'd never leave!)
Slimboli Offline
#35 Posted: Mon, May 17 2004, 3:51 PM EST
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Whatever it may be ...

... Bush's popularity is at an all time low ... ;^)
DrMaddVibe Offline
#36 Posted: Mon, May 17 2004, 4:15 PM EST
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Well couple of things...

1) With db gone...the collective iq here has shot up through the roof.









2) I just save a load of money by switching to Geico.
uncleb Offline
#37 Posted: Mon, May 17 2004, 4:39 PM EST
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That is the quickest Threadjack I have ever seen.

To get back to the original question, my response is that I will not vote for either of them due to my strong dislike (no I do not "hate" either of them) of both of them.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#38 Posted: Mon, May 17 2004, 6:11 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe

my post this time was not a copy and paste.

it came from the very depths of my heart and soul.
Robby Offline
#39 Posted: Mon, May 17 2004, 6:44 PM EST
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B, I take back all the unkind words I've ever hurled your way.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#40 Posted: Mon, May 17 2004, 11:39 PM EST
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Slimboli

not at my house. i started at 0%.
uncleb Offline
#41 Posted: Tue, May 18 2004, 6:56 AM EST
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Thanks Robby, but I do not remember any unkind words from you... but then again, I try to focus on the positive things in life.

B
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