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Left wing Media bias
Robby Offline
#1 Posted:
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"CBS:


"It is one of President Bush's last surviving justifications for war in Iraq and today took a devastating hit when the 9/11 Commission declared there was no collaborative relationship between Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden."

This has been all over the news begining with the story from the AP the other day. Help me out here, when did Bush say that Sadam was responsible for 9/11? When did it happen? What was the quote? Or is it possible that the libbys in the news media are attributing a quote to the President that was never made in an effort to make him look bad to suit their agenda?
00camper Offline
#2 Posted:
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Media Rule Number 1:
Anthing bad for Bush - print in big, bold letters above the fold with color pictures, or make it the lead story with lots of teasers before commercials to hammer home the point.

Media Rule Number 2:
Anything good for Bush - print in small letters on page 9 below the fold without pictures, or make it the final story without any fanfare so nobody notices.

The truth is that most media outlets hate Dubya and will do anything or say anything to try to keep him from winning in November.
428cj Offline
#3 Posted:
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You're just being a whining right winger here. You should know by now from these forums there is NO media bias (and the mere mention of it reall upsets some people, so watch out!). Everything reported is factual. Complain, complain, complain... Haha.


Oh yea, I DO agree with you, it makes no sense.
maxelrod Offline
#4 Posted:
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Reports Wednesday morning that the 9/11 Commission has determined there was no cooperation between Iraq and al-Qaida are completely false - and are undoubtedly driven by the media's determination to contradict the Bush administration's claims that such a link exists.

"9/11 Panel Says Iraq Rebuffed Bin Laden" reads the headline on the Associated Press report on today's Commission staff statement.

But that's not what the Commission staff report actually said.

The below passage, for instance, does more to confirm the Bush administration's claims of an Iraq-al Qaida link than it does to contradict them.

"The Sudanese, to protect their own ties with Iraq, reportedly persuaded Bin Ladin* to cease [support for anti-Saddam Islamists in Northern Iraq] and arranged for contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda*.

"A senior Iraqi intelligence officer reportedly made three visits to Sudan, finally meeting Bin Ladin in 1994. Bin Ladin is said to have requested space to establish training camps, as well as assistance in procuring weapons, but Iraq apparently never responded." [Staff Statement No. 15, Page 5]

Apparently never responded? How, pray tell, does the AP derive from those words the conclusive claim that Iraq "rebuffed" bin Laden?

The Commission statement continues:

"There have been reports that contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda also occurred after Bin Ladin had returned to Afghanistan, but they do not appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship."

What's the evidence for this less-than-conclusive surmise?

"Two senior Bin Ladin associates have adamantly denied that any ties existed between al Qaeda and Iraq," says the Commission.

Such a statement begs the question: Why does the Commission, let alone the press, take the word of two senior bin Laden associates over, say, Iraq's new prime minister, Iyad Allawi.

Last December he told the London Telegraph, "We are uncovering evidence all the time of Saddam's involvement with al-Qaeda."

Reacting to the discovery of an Iraqi intelligence document placing 9/11 hijacker Mohamed Atta in Baghdad two months before the attacks, he continued:

"This is the most compelling piece of evidence that we have found so far. It shows that not only did Saddam have contacts with al-Qaeda, he had contact with those responsible for the September 11 attacks."

In fact, nowhere does the Commission make the claim that Iraq and al-Qaida never cooperated. What it does say is "We have no credible evidence that Iraq and al Qaeda cooperated on attacks against the United States." [NewsMax italics]

Apparently Dr. Allawi's asssement counts for nothing.

Even so, it's worth noting that elsewhere in today's staff statement, the 9/11 Commission asserts:

"With al Qaeda at its foundation, Bin Ladin sought to build a broader Islamic Army that included terrorist groups from Egypt, Libya, Saudi Arabia and Oman, Tunisia, Jordan, Iraq, Lebanon, Morocco, Somalia, and Eritrea. Not all [terrorist] groups from these states agreed to join, but at least one from each did." [Staff Statement No. 15, Page 3]

In other words, at least one terror group from Iraq did form an alliance with bin Laden.

Another problem: If the press is going to take today's staff statement as gospel, certain long-held media assumptions will need to be drastically revised, such as the widely accepted notion that al-Qaida was involved in the first World Trade Center bombing.

Not true, says the Commission.

"Whether Bin Ladin and his organization had roles in the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center ... remains a matter of substantial uncertainty," the staff statement says, before insisting, "We have no conclusive evidence" of a bin Laden link. [Staff Statement No. 15, Page 6]

The same goes for "Operation Bojinka," the 1995 plot to hijack 12 airliners hatched by Ramzi Yousef and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed that experts say was the blueprint for the 9/11 attacks.

"[Mohammed] was not, however, an al Qaeda member at the time of the Manilla [Bojinka] plot," Commission staffers say, even though they acknowledge that he went on to mastermind the 9/11 attacks.

The press is furiously spinning the 9/11 Commission staff statement in a bid to discredit the Bush administration. Americans should go to the Sept. 11 Commission Web site and read the conclusions for themselves: http://www.9-11commission.gov/
dbguru Offline
#5 Posted:
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And what about radio and television???
The bias on radio it is so obscenely right wing its ridiculous. And its proving not to be about ratings or popularity. In markets where Air America is allowed to air (16 markets total..) they often beat right wingers on ratings substantially. But the the right wing shows have far more extensive distribution. Even here in Seattle, a town that is predominantly liberal in its views, we have 2 and often 3 dedicated right wing talk stations with major national hosts, only occassional locally hosted left wing talk shows whose ratings kill the right wingers 2 and 3 to 1 when they're on but maybe get 3-6 hours of airplay daily on one station. No Air America or other natonally syndicated liberal talk shows at all. For every left wing radio talk show host there is several dozen right wingers. Liberal talk show hosts have very few venues to air their views against the constant drumbeat of the right wing talk show propaganda

Why is this?? Because conservatives own 97% of the broadcast media and prevent even a bold effort with high ratings like Air America from being syndicated with any significant distribution.

What about television?? ... Left wing bias?? As I see it, you have the choice of blatently right wing biased(Fox), often right wing biased(MSNBC) and the others that pretty much 1have "don't rock the boat - stay in the middle" policies that are a stretch to label leaning left (of course my neo-con friends will obviously disagree).

Maybe newspapers are just reaching out to an audience that happens to engage in the enlightened practice of reading which stimluates open minded objective thinking a mindset which is embraced by liberals and discouraged by neo-cons who build their support through mind numbing methods like preachy right wing talk show hosts.

You just watch.... I can anticipate the usual attacks, character assasinations and hate in response to this coming from my neo-con BOTL already... Its so predictable...

AVB Offline
#6 Posted:
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Here is the page the pertinent statement is on. It is the last 2 paragraphs.

http://www.9-11commission.gov/hearings/hearing12/staff_statement_15.pdf
AVB Offline
#7 Posted:
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That link didn't work to the page level. You'll have to go to page 5 and look at the last 2 paragraphs.
Robby Offline
#8 Posted:
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"bias on radio it is so obscenely right wing its ridiculous" Those are "entertainment" shows DB. Get real, I'm talking about major media NEWS! Hey, here's one for you, most of my friends are concervative, does that mean I should get more liberal friends to have balance? How can you compare entertainment with News? You're spinning again...
Robby Offline
#9 Posted:
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"Why is this?? Because conservatives own 97% of the broadcast media and prevent even a bold effort with high ratings like Air America from being syndicated with any significant distribution."

Wrong again, why is this, because they SELL ADDs!! I know the concept of capitalism can be alien to some liberals, but if you were selling products, wouldn’t you want to target the largest potential buying audience of your products? And conservatives are smarter, make more, and are therefore better customers so that's why people who sell products by adds on these shows. That's also why the libbys can't keep a show on life support! Because most of the people who agree with them don't have jobs! The advertisers they do have are for Schlitz Malt Liquor and Cool cigarettes and they can only keep them afloat for so long…
Robby Offline
#10 Posted:
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Hey Libbys, check out what CNN has to say about "Air America". Howard Stern, your hero? So people are turning on to listen to T&A? or left wing politics? LOL! More spin!! TYPICAL!!

Howard Stern’s ratings exploded amid the FCC controversy.

From CNN:

The ribald radio host scored major gains in listenership during the winter quarter ended March 31 in the three biggest U.S. markets -- New York, Los Angeles and Chicago -- according to figures made public on Monday by the Arbitron radio ratings service.
In Stern's home market of New York, where his show is broadcast on WXRK-FM, he topped all morning drive-time competition with a 7.2 share in total audience, up 22 percent from the fall quarter and 18 percent from last winter, Arbitron said.


No matter what the FCC sees as the values it must protect, Howard Stern gives listeners exactly what they want.

CNN again:

In San Diego, one of the markets where his show was removed by Clear Channel, radio station KIOZ-FM's drive-time ratings dropped from an 8.9 share in February to 0.7 in March, the first month without Stern.
8.9 to 0.7 in a MONTH. Wow.

So a word of advice if you own a radio station, taking Stern off the air pretty much hurls you into obscurity. Don’t do it…

In the world of actual progressive radio it looks like Air America is in some trouble.
AVB Offline
#11 Posted:
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From what I understand Air America isn't a morning drive time show. Your point is meaningless unless you compare it to shows in the same time period.
Robby Offline
#12 Posted:
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How about this quote from CNN:

"In the world of actual progressive radio it looks like Air America is in some trouble."

What is actual progressive radio? Did the communist party change their name to the progressive party in an effort to reduce the negative connotation associated with the word “communist”?
Robby Offline
#13 Posted:
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OH MY GOD! Check this out! LOL! Yeah, these guys are kicking butt alright! LMAO!!


Randi Rhodes quits Air America; Air America ratings comes in.
nationaldebate ^ | 05/21/04 | Robert Cox


Posted on 05/21/2004 9:25:54 PM PDT by Pikamax


Randi Rhodes announced today that she is quitting Air America. Rhodes made the surprise announcement in a prepared statement at the opening of today's broadcast of the Randi Rhodes Show.

On a related note the Arbitron ratings came out (for New York only) and it is not pretty. Air America on WLIB came in ranked #24 between #25 Mexican Radio and #26 Wall of Voodoo.


Robby Offline
#14 Posted:
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Now if DBguru can help me understand how the neo-cons forced this to happen;

"Air America on WLIB came in ranked #24 between #25 Mexican Radio and #26 Wall of Voodoo."

I'd be very interested... Of course he'll run like a scared dog from facts like these. Or try to spin it in to some kind of positive or simply lie and deny the facts. Or maybe he'll try something different and address them head on? I doubt it...
xrundog Offline
#15 Posted:
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Just watch FOX News. If they can't find something in a story to flatter the President, there isn't anything.
428cj Offline
#16 Posted:
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Robby wrote: "And conservatives are smarter, make more, and are therefore better customers so that's why people who sell products by adds on these shows. That's also why the libbys can't keep a show on life support! Because most of the people who agree with them don't have jobs! The advertisers they do have are for Schlitz Malt Liquor and Cool cigarettes and they can only keep them afloat for so long…".

I LOVE it, made me lmao, really. I agree it's true, just really funny.
AVB Offline
#17 Posted:
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If you are going to make things up at least try to have them seem like they are real. Wall of Voodoo is a group that did a song called Mexican Radio.

Since I don't get or pay attention to Air America (or Rush either) why is this Ms. Rhodes leaving a good or bad thing?
dbguru Offline
#18 Posted:
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Its 6/17 and I just listened to a hour of Randi's show

What is the source of the 5/27 article that she is quitting??
dbguru Offline
#19 Posted:
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OK sorry I see you put your source out Robby.. I check this when time permits... very busy right now...
dbguru Offline
#20 Posted:
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The ratings source that Robby quotes were for WLIB through winter 04 This Arbitrend does not represent an Air America trend. Bear in mind, they didn't launch until March 31st. The Arbitrend in question is February/March/April - only the last month (which we cannot see (conspicuously absent from the right wing story)) consists of any Air America programming (Franken, Rhodes etc..)

Does anyone in NYC know about WLIB programming prior to Air America?

dbguru Offline
#21 Posted:
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Obviously thats where the ratings come that Robby is reporting on... Not Air America
dbguru Offline
#22 Posted:
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If you actually listen to Randi's show... she occassionally gets sarcastic... As far as her quitting... obviously a sarcastic comment taken out of context.
mattmelcher Offline
#23 Posted:
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Randi Rhodes?!? Didn't he used to play guitar for Ozzy back in the 80's? Yeah!---'We're going off the rails on a crazy train'

I love the Wall of Voodoo reference. Talk about obscure. 'I wish I was in Tiajuana-eating barbuque iguana'...

97% of radio stations are owned by conservitives?!?
I hear 85.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot. Where did you get your data?

never mind
matt
bassdude Offline
#24 Posted:
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db, you seem to confuse shows like Rush or Hannity with the national media, why? I do not listen to ANY of these but I do watch the news and I'll bet there are a lot more folks out there just like me. I expect to see the news reported fairly and accurately and I rarely see that.

these shows target a particular audience the major news networks should not but they do. Let's look only at the major national television media - can you honestly say they are not liberal biased? forget Fox who the hell watches that anyway and are they really major?
usahog Offline
#25 Posted:
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Catch the AP Wire News off the internet.. phsypher the Bul****/read between the lines and you'll get the whole scoop!!!!

you take media news for facts your FUBAR!!!!

Hog
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