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RICKAMAVEN Offline
#1 Posted:
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if i had the mind set that a few of the guys had in my request for personal information about a scion, i would answer, as they did with their, "it's the ugliest thing on wheels", therefore i don't like bush because he is the uglies dumbest creature on too legs,, with the possible exception of the newest female boxers, paula jones and tonya harding.

but you asked a real question and it deserves a real answer,

from Splain It to Me, Loosely

i have no clue what kerry brings to the table, but i have seen what bush has brunged, branged, brungest. out of respect for you i used his name, istead of my nick name for him. something he likes to do to people of some significance, possibbly because he can't remember names.

i make fun of his inability to speak coherently, as a lark and a put down, even as i have always said during debates, just because one side of the debate is elequent, and the other side fumbles for words to describe their opinion, doesn't mean elequence is the clear cut winner. i listen to the ideas presented and do the best i can to look for the truth and not the jargon.

i know their is an agenda in this administration that is designed to affect us more then people realize. 100 or so years ago schools were designed to teach us to read, write, and arithmetic. the literacy rate was close to 100%, with exceptions of course. people were all pretty much entrepreneurs. you worked on the family farm or in the family store or maybe you worked for some small business in town or you made things to trade.

before the industrial revolution, there were no factory jobs because there were no factories.
now the owner of factories have a problem. they need a work force.

people coming out of school have not been trained to expect to work for someone in a factory job that will be boring, but will pay them a wage.

now begins the "dumbing down of america.

if you remember your grade and high school, the curriculum was designed to teach you how to get a job. the more schooling you got, the better job you could expect. there was nothing in the curriculum that taught you how to provide for yourself by yourself. it takes a while, but you finally reach a point where schools graduate children that have no sense of independence, no sense of themselves other then how they will fit into the society, get the job, buy the car, buy the home, not build it yourself.

it is no longer necessary for the graduate to be able to add and subtract because the computers at the stores will tell them how to make change. it is no longer necessary to be able to read and comprehend. if you could, you might read one of those books that are written that try to remind you to think for yourself. this is not required by owners of factories.

literacy rate in the usa down to 65%.

on an assembly line, you don't even have to know what you are part of making. i worked on an assembly line when i was discharged from the service and found out i was making radios. i was a tinner. i plugged in my pot of lead and as pieces of wire with the ends twisted came to me, i dipped them in the molten lead and passed them on to someone else to do something.

none of this has to do with party lines.

let me give you a few references.

http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/

http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/multimedia/jtgsound_paradox.htm

http://www.ctrl.org/sutton/index1.html

http://www.ctrl.org/sutton/suttoninterview.html

and you should read, with pad and paper in hand to check all his refrences
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snowwolf777 Offline
#2 Posted:
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Thank-you RICKAMAVEN. I've been on the road and just got back home to read this.

Jeff
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#3 Posted:
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jeff, when you get a chance, let me know what you think

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snowwolf777 Offline
#4 Posted:
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RICKAMAVEN: I certainly will. I launched a custody battle for my grandbaby yesterday, so I'm in a rare mood - I don't care about politics quite so much. But I liked your response and will respond to you when the first round of court is over with Monday.

Jeff
lukin Offline
#5 Posted:
Joined: 03-31-2004
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Rick,
I didn't follow the links to the Gatto website, but I have read his stuff and as a future teacher I know what he writes and I tend to agree. In fact as I was reading your post I thought to myself, "this is Gatto-ish" Unfortunately our school system has been mangled by politicians who feel that the system is always broke and they are the answer to it. Here in California it takes at least six years to get a credential and the loopholes and classes they make you jump through discourage good teachers (especially in math and science) to not teach and approach their feild of study from a different angle (e.g. if I'm going to spend six years in college studying math, I might as well become an engineer). Even when you can get a credential, many schools are going to scripted classrooms in which the teacher reads from a script to teach in a preplanned lesson, essentially making it so that the only skill a teacher needs is literacy.

For the students it is no better...the new NCLB act has only created a serious load of new issues that must be dealt with and no funding to deal with them. It is only a political tool (which although proposed by the right, will be used just as much by the left) to show that they are "fixing the problem" when all they are really doing is creating anecdotal evidence and numbers to boost their postition.

I would ask all people who vote and on whom education is a big issue to consider this....where is the money coming from?????

roughly (and I am quite sauced here so these numbers may not be totally accurate but just give you an idea)
9 percent comes from the federal government
45 percent from state government
the rest from local

So if a national politician is telling you he is strong on education and he is going to put more money into it, essentially he is lying no matter how good his intentions or heart may be. Don't vote for federal offices on education because the money doesn't flow from there, it is the state and local offices that have the most impact.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#6 Posted:
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lukin

when the ca lottery was introduced and accepted, the profit, after all the skimming and expenses was suppossed to go to the school system. as i understand it, the legislature then reduced the appropriation to the schools by the same amount the lottery proedes were flowing into the school system. net gain to education, 0.

at least in the old days, the "numbers" paid 500 to one and everyone got paid, $50.00 of you were a dime bettor. a least the mafia made no claims about benevolence.

i talked to my daughter in law last night. she has been teaching for 3 or 4 years and makes about $45.000 a year, + the extra money she makes teaching soecial classes, ans summer school. for her that is not a bad wage.

she told me, among the better teachers, the one's that consider teaching to be a calling, they discussion about the "dumbing down" of america is a constant discussion. kids ib her class 6th or 7th grade, are already totally unfocused on learning. she said she expects about 20% return on assignments and close to 80% if she calls the parents and pushes the issue.

that is why saying, "do you want fries also", is considered a skill worthy of asst mgr status.

i am lucky and glad my kids grew up, when a trip to disneyland wa about $8.00 per child, knott's erry farm was free, and it wasn't necessary to save an entire ear jus to go to the zoo, and sea world was about a bucj a kid. on campus the biggest problem was grass, and only among a few of the kids, who knew the high school sr that looked a little older then most and always wore black socks, was the campus narc.

if i were raising kids today, they would be home schooled.

lukin Offline
#7 Posted:
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Rick,
Couldn't agree with you more. I discussed last night (albeit in a little bit of a drunken stupor) about why its hard to get good teachers,but its almost as hard to find good students. Apathy and rebellion are out of control and Its hard to say if a good teacher can do something about it.

If you want to read about a teacher taking control and turning around the lives of her students read
The Freedom Writers Diary by Erin Gruwell or
EDucating Esme by Esme Codell

Both books are very good and show just how far a teacher has to go sometimes to get her students to participate and care about their future.

MY only complaint about the books is looking at the authors profile. Each of these teachers quit after making such a difference and moved on to teach at college. Its almost as if they are also saying that a teacher can change the lives of their students if they put every ounce of energy and drive into them, and then once they do, they will be burned out and have to move on.

anyway read the book, I reccomend them to anyone interested in the education system.
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