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lofty1
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 10-01-2000
Posts: 33,248
frankly, i don't have any idea who kerry is or what he plans to do, if anything.

the truth is i know more about GWB then most of the posters. i have researched and read extensively the history of the bush family, from prescott's working with hitler and making his money from his dealings with the nazi's.

i have read as much as i can, and am still reading, about bush's father and his cia activities before
he was made head of that organization, including his dealings with the groups in miami that were involved with the bay of pigs, and his making noriega the big drug runner and, when it suited bush's father for whatever reason, sending in troops, killing several thousand civilian panamanians, in order to capture and imprison noriega.

drugs have been the lynch pin of the building of wealth starting with the opium wars in the 1700's.
in case you are unaware, the french pulled out of vietnam only when this country told them we would protect the "golden triangle" of drugs.

i know that conspiracy theories are everywhere and that it is hard to believe most of them because they would change your perception of the world, but enough intelligent people have written about them to, at the least, make you wonder.

my research began after the JFK assaination, with a book my mark lane entitled "rush to judgement." that was in 1964, and i have not stopped my interest in learning what is really going on. at the moment i am slowly reading "fleshing out skull and bones." i say slowly because it has much for me to absorb.

GWB is almost an attempt to laugh at us, by the people that control this country behind the scenes. he is the black sheep of the family, having gone off the family plan and loosing himself in drugs and alcohol, and now he is a "dry alcoholic." if you talk to any recovering alcohol, they will explain the meaning of that phrase. when he was finally rescued by the family and friends money, he failed at every attempt at business he tried, and only because of the people around him helping him did he become a financial success. his rise to power as the governer of texas was the start and his devious "winning" the election by the use of the supreme court mostly appointed by
regean and his father has pretty much put the nail in the coffin of this country.

never in my life have i seen such blind stupidity and allegience to a "leader" as i see in todays voters, as exemplified by the posters on this board. there was a time when people could see and recognize the danger to their personal liberties, but i don't see that now.

we have always had different ideas about the direction the country should take, but i have never seen the likes of what i see now.

look at the posts directed against the democratic party, and me personally because i post controversial ideas. some of the guys do rationally disagree with my posts, but most call me names, because they have nothing really to say. notice how the talking points, the phrases and other nasty remarks have a common thread, flip floper is the most current. these guys didn't like bill clinton, because a vast amount of money was spent to tarnish him. they don't like hilary clinton and now that she has spoken out, they don't like kerry's wife. notice the personal invectives and name calling, like a bunch of high school adolescents. rarely do you read anything specific, and when you do, it is repeated ad infinitum by the rest of the herd.

i firmly believe GWB's reelection, or election, as some call it, could end democracy as i knew it and probably john edwards is the insurance policy that will prevent kerry from being assassinated if he is elected. if you suspect i am paranoid, look back at JFK, king and robert kennedy, all dead with fall guys blamed.

i thank you for your question and if i have helped you to seek answers for yourself, i'm glad.
lofty1 Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 06-07-2004
Posts: 4,670
Ok.

That was odd. I wasn't really expecting such a long response, but that's good. I almost understand what you're saying, but what you've said is not substantiated by any means. If anything, what you've said seems to conflict greatly with common sense and common knowledge regarding politics and the current politicians. Most people that support Bush at this point do so because of what he has done while in office. The fact that you even mention a possible assassination attempt on Kerry is absurd. Why is Clinton still alive after beating Bush Sr. and Dole? That just doesn't make sense.
You know, the Democrats have a little money too. Kerry, himself, is loaded. Are they any less corrupt? I agree that the government is less than perfect. Anyone disagreeing with that is probably living in denial. The fact of the matter is one of these guys is going to win. What you've stated implies some great conspiracy on the part of a few guys in a dark room that secretly rule the world. Now, I don't know anything about you, but this is what I gather from your words. If I'm right, I'll stop talking politics with you. It simply wouldn't be productive because your arguments would be based on assertions that I would consider to be ridiculous at best. Perhaps I'm ridiculous. Who knows?

My point is this. You've got some serious issues with the structure and intent of our government. You also seem to have some theories regarding the Bush family that I just don't get. It's fine with me if you hate Bush. I really don't care. Just make sure you do your research on the Kerry/Heinz family. You might not like what you find there, either.
bloody spaniard Offline
#3 Posted:
Joined: 03-14-2003
Posts: 43,802
Now, I can die in peace.

blood
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#4 Posted:
Joined: 10-01-2000
Posts: 33,248
lofty1

you asked, i answered.
lofty1 Offline
#5 Posted:
Joined: 06-07-2004
Posts: 4,670
That is true. I just wanted to know where you were coming from. Now, I think I almost know. I've got a friend that despises the government as much as you seem to. I just never understand what motivates him to say some of the things he says -- he loves conspiracies. I don't mean to insult or poke fun at you. I just don't understand why folks like you and him think that way sometimes. Thanks for being candid.
Charlie Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 06-16-2002
Posts: 39,751
One can do all the "research" they want if they are only looking for one side of issue they can "find" that side and overlook all points of the research. Bush is not a bad American as Rick would like to have us all believe, and he certainly is not in anyone's pocket. Sorry that Rick has such hatred in his heart and then laughs at those of us who point it out!

I am not in love with GWB and Cheney, but they are far better than Kerry and Edwards IMHO. At least GWB doesn't change his mind on everything, and yes, I would like to see a different vice presidential candidate running with Bush, but it ain't gonna happen!

Charlie
AVB Offline
#7 Posted:
Joined: 05-21-2003
Posts: 995
Whoever undertakes to set himself up as judge in the field of truth and knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the Gods."

Albert Einstein
rayder1 Offline
#8 Posted:
Joined: 06-02-2002
Posts: 2,226
Rick's opinions are sometimes garnered from sources that are less than truthful in order to propagandize news to fit their slant.

IE: Panama.....George Sr. didn't have to invent anything to invade Panama.

Noriega was a brutal dictator. He was despised by his people. Anyone who opposed him was tortured and killed. During his time in power, Panama became a major pipeline for drug traffic....as long as he got his cut. About 200 Panamanian soldiers and maybe 200-300 civilians were killed in the invasion. Not thousands.

But there you go again. Gotta tilt the facts so the truth rolls off. Nothing sticks to a liberal point of view better than bullsh%$.

Goebbels was good at that too...just his tilt was in a different direction.
eleltea Offline
#9 Posted:
Joined: 03-03-2002
Posts: 4,562
Numnerologists are never at a loss to show that whatever happens and whomever they investigate make perfect sense numerically.

Having said that, it is in the best interest of conspirators that we all consider conspiracy theories looney. Anyone who believes conspiracies do not abound in the world of big politics, big money, and big religion is also looney.

I found your post both fascinating and well written, Rick.
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