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Conspiracy Theory Fun
Cavallo Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 01-05-2004
Posts: 2,796
first off, i read a snippet on this in a blog here:
http://www.forward.com/amieden/index.php

valerie plame, cia agent, had her cover blown by someone in the bush administration (let's just suppose this to be true for the sake of the conspiracy theory here). the person who outed her let's call the PL -- Plame Leaker.

so then along comes sandy "oops" berger (SB) with secret docs spilling from his pants pockets.

hedz gotta roll, right? well, not exactly.

here's the conspiracy theory: for political expediency, bushies timed the berger story to come up with a fall guy for the dems (SB). with a dem fall guy, the PL can be named, outted, and then, along with SB, pardoned by bush, who can then claim to really be a uniter having pardoned both one of "his guys" and one of "their guys."

what do you think? want to record your thoughts -- true or false -- and see how things unroll between now and november?

just for the heck of it, i'll say it's true (just because i don't know if anyone else will! lol)
donutboy2000 Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 11-20-2001
Posts: 25,000
I see the black helicopters too!
JonR Offline
#3 Posted:
Joined: 02-19-2002
Posts: 9,740
Yo Cav:

How's this conspiracy theory.

G.W. paid john kerry $300.00 to run against him for the Presidency knowing he could beat kerry easily. Then he paid kerry an additonal $12.50 to pick edwards as his running mate to ensure a Bush victory.

JonR
Cavallo Offline
#4 Posted:
Joined: 01-05-2004
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jonr: can you PLEASE be serious here!

everyone knows (or SHOULD know) that $12.50 won't get a candidate from NC. our standard of living here just won't support it. now i'd be inclined to believe you, had you pitched edwards at the $8-9 area; much more realistic for our economy here!
Cavallo Offline
#5 Posted:
Joined: 01-05-2004
Posts: 2,796
looks like this may be rolling right along on schedule with ****** cheney's chief of staff, lewis "scooter" libby, being intimated as being the "PL" (Plame Leaker).

for those playing at home, here's the latest release from the associated press:

Reporter Held in Contempt in CIA Leak Case

By CURT ANDERSON
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Time magazine is appealing a judge's ruling that one of its reporters is in contempt of court for refusing to testify before a grand jury investigating the leak of the identity of a covert CIA officer.

Faced with a similar contempt ruling, NBC-TV's "Meet the Press" host Tim Russert agreed to an interview with prosecutors about a telephone conversation he had in July 2003 with Vice President Cheney's chief of staff, Lewis "Scooter" Libby.

The journalists' divergent decisions came after U.S. District Judge Thomas F. Hogan, in a sealed ruling July 20, rejected their claims that the First Amendment protected them from having to testify. That ruling and Hogan's holding of Time magazine reporter Matthew Cooper in contempt were made public Monday.

Grand jury subpoenas for Russert and Cooper were issued as part of the investigation into the leak of the identity of CIA officer Valerie Plame, whose name was disclosed by syndicated columnist Robert Novak on July 14, 2003. Novak cited two "senior administration officials" as his sources.

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In a statement Monday, NBC News said Russert was interviewed under oath Saturday by prosecutors as part of an agreement to avoid a protracted court fight.

Time and Cooper, however, did not agree to be interviewed and are appealing the judge's ruling, said Managing Editor Jim Kelly. If Time loses the appeal, Cooper could be jailed under Hogan's order until he agrees to appear, or a maximum of 18 months, and the magazine could be fined $1,000 a day.

"We are disappointed in the decision," Kelly said. "We don't think a journalist should be required to give up a confidential source. We're going to appeal it as far as it goes."

Neal Shapiro, president of NBC News, said the network agreed that forcing reporters to testify about their sources is "contrary to the First Amendment's guarantee of a free press." Shapiro said Russert answered "only limited questions" about the conversation with Libby "without revealing any information he learned in confidence."

U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald of Chicago issued the subpoenas. He was appointed as a special prosecutor in the leak case after Attorney General John Ashcroft recused himself.

Novak mentioned Plame's name about a week after a newspaper published an opinion piece by her husband, former ambassador Joseph Wilson, that criticized President Bush's claim in his 2003 State of the Union address that Iraq tried to obtain uranium from Niger.

The CIA had sent Wilson to Niger to check the allegation, and he concluded it was unfounded. Novak wrote that Plame had suggested her husband for the mission, a claim the couple has denied.

NBC's statement said Russert told Fitzgerald he did not know Plame's name or that she was a CIA officer, and that he did not give Libby that information. The statement said Libby had told the FBI about his conversation with Russert and requested that it be disclosed.

In June, prosecutors interviewed Washington Post reporter Glenn Kessler regarding two conversations he had with Libby in July 2003. Kessler has said he told prosecutors Libby did not mention Plame, Wilson or the CIA-backed trip to Niger and that he testified only because Libby signed a waiver releasing Kessler from any promise of confidentiality.

A number of Bush administration officials have appeared before the grand jury or have been interviewed by prosecutors and the FBI. Bush himself was interviewed in the White House on June 25, and Secretary of State Colin Powell was interviewed earlier this month.

Hogan's decision: http://www.dcd.uscourts.gov/04ms296a.pdf
00camper Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 07-11-2003
Posts: 2,326
I think Plame's own husband outed her. Why? That's for conspiracy theorists like Cavallo to figure out. The real criminals in the Plame outing are the reporter who wrote the story and the editor who let it be published. If they were responsible journalists they would have said no, just like the half-dozen other reporters and editors to whom the story was shopped.

The theory that Dubya will pardon Berger and the PL to keep things "even" is waaaaaaay out there.
drnos Offline
#7 Posted:
Joined: 10-29-2003
Posts: 2,787
The theory of mutual pardons would bring the gov't into so much disrepute.

It would be like if a sitting president, under criminal indictment, would resign and have his hand-picked replacement pardon him in a pre-arranged deal. Could never happen...
Cavallo Offline
#8 Posted:
Joined: 01-05-2004
Posts: 2,796
00camper: it's not my theory. :) (see the link up top in the first line). i'm not much into conspiracy theories; i just thought it would be fun to finally snag one from the start and ride out the info to see how it eventually plays out. personally, i'll be the most shocked if it actually comes to pass, but what they hey -- let's have some fun and track it for poots and giggles. :)

drnos: scandalous! lol good one. :D
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