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CHEW ON THIS BUSH LEAGUERS
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 10-01-2000
Posts: 33,248
The latest smear on Kerry's war record comes from a group who call themselves, "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth." In response to their attacks my new group, Citizens For Honest Fighter Pilots, comes forth to tell voters what vets who served with Bush have to say about him.

Bush claims he attended drills at the Dannelly Base in Alabama. During the 2000 campaign he said, "I was there on a temporary assignment and fulfilled my weekends at one period of time," he said. "I made up some missed weekends." "I can't remember what I did, but I wasn't flying because they didn't have the same airplanes. I fulfilled my obligations."

The official records don't support his claims, they show a Sep 15, 1972, direct order for Bush to report for duty at Dannelly, "Lt Bush should report to Lt. Col. William Turnipseed, DCO, to perform equivalent training," on "7-8 October, and 4-5 November. He never showed up.

Retired General William Turnipseed, and his administrative officer, say Bush was not there. ''Had
he reported in, I would have had some recall, and I do not,'' Turnipseed said, "I had been in Texas, done my flight training there. If we had a 1st Lt from Texas, I would have remembered."

But Bush keeps on saying he was there. When asked about Turnipseed's statements, he said, "I read the comments from the guy who said he doesn't remember me being there, but I remember being there."

If his memory is so good, then why can't he recall a single name out of the 700 men he served with? And why hasn't a single guy come forward to say he served with Bush?

Bush's superiors in Texas thought he was in Alabama. His yearly evaluation says, "Lt. Bush has not been observed at this unit during the period of report," and a "civilian occupation made it necessary for him to move to Montgomery, Alabama. He cleared this base on 15 May 1972 and has been performing equivalent training in a non flying status with the 187 Tac Recon Gp, Dannelly ANG Base, Alabama."

He wasn't in Texas and he wasn't in Alabama. So where was he?

We've heard from the Honest Vets, so Citizens For Honest Fighter Pilots thinks voters should hear what Bush's fellow fighter pilots had to say about serving with him.

On Feb 13, 2004, the Memphis Flyer published interviews with 2 guardsmen from the Alabama
unit where Bush says he served in 1972. Bob Mintz and Paul Bishop attended regular drills and are both absolutely certain that Bush never showed up for duty.

Mintz told the reporter, "I remember that I heard someone was coming to drill with us from Texas. And it was implied that it was somebody with political influence. I was a young bachelor then. i was looking for somebody to prowl around with."

When he didn't show, Mintz thought Bush had "changed his mind and went somewhere else" to do his duty. No so, in campaign 2000, Bush was referring to Mintz's unit, and he's sticking to the same story in 2004.

Mintz spoke of his "negative reaction" to Bush's dishonesty. "You don't do that as an officer, you don't do that as a pilot, you don't do it as an important person, and you don't do it as a citizen. This guy's got a lot of nerve," he said.

Mintz says there were only 25 or 30 pilots on base, "There's no doubt. I would have heard of him,
seen him, whatever," he said. "And if he did any flying at all, on whatever kind of craft, that would
have involved a great number of supportive personnel. It takes a lot of people to get a plane into the air. But nobody I can think of remembers him."

Mintz said, "(I) talked to one of my buddies the other day and asked him if he could remember Bush at drill at any time, and he said, 'Naw, ol' George wasn't there.'"

His buddy is Paul Bishop. Bishop voted for Bush in 2000, but says he is now upset about Bush lying about serving in Alabama. "I never saw hide nor hair of Mr. Bush," he said.

Bishop claims he didn't pay attention to the lies during campaign 2000, but does since Bush went to war in Iraq. "It bothered me that he wouldn't 'fess up and say, Okay, guys, I cut out when the rest of you did your time. He shouldn't have tried to dance around the subject. I take great exception to that. I spent 39 years defending my country," he said.

Bush better not count on getting votes from these 2 vets. When Bishop was asked if plans to vote for Bush, he said, "Naw, this goes to an integrity issue." And who will Bob Mintz be voting for? "Not for any Texas politicians," he says
usahog Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 12-06-1999
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got any salt?? Lettuce, Tomato??

Where's the Beef??

So whats your point Rick? non of these people knew where Bush was back in 1972??

one things for sure.. he wasn't having Christmas in Cambodia...

and he does have an Honorable Discharge paperwork??

and one more things for Sure.. He's the Commander & Cheif Today was Yesterday and has been since 2000... and has done a damn good job at it and most the world has known his wearabouts since holding this position without being AWOL once since taking office...

So Again whats your point??

I get it you want to take the word of a Bachlor who was lookin for a buddy to pal around with and when this buddy didn't show up it pissed him off enough to spout off some 30 yrs later??

one thing about Military.. you don't have to respect the person in Uniform.. but you do have to respect the rank!!!

Hog
Charlie Offline
#3 Posted:
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What Hog said!

Charlie
Cigarick Offline
#4 Posted:
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I'm sure glad Rick's nick and subject headers are always in caps. Makes 'em easier to spot and skip over.
JonR Offline
#5 Posted:
Joined: 02-19-2002
Posts: 9,740
yo Rick:

Are we supposed to believe this piece of crap (like all your posts), when like always you do not post where it was obtained or who is responsible for writng this piece of crap.

Go to Vegas Rick the nickel slots miss you.

JonR
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#6 Posted:
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Cigarick

i try to accommodate.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#7 Posted:
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usahog

"whats your point"

no one saw him, he was never there. he was awol. he is till awol unless there is a statute of limitations.
adroomi Offline
#8 Posted:
Joined: 05-10-2002
Posts: 10,143
...that's why I could never be President! Regardless that I have a great education, am well versed, quick to decide on good courses of action, and a general all around good guy, there was this time 18 years ago, when, as a young man, I told my boss I was going to sick call. In reality I slept in 'cause I drank too much. Damn me for doing that!!!!!! Somebody would definately pull that out of my closet and use it against me. Because I did that, I will never be a leader of men (sniff).
snowwolf777 Offline
#9 Posted:
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RICKAMAVEN: 23 OICs from Swift Boats against Kerry.
More than 250 Swift Boat veterans on the record against Kerry and his ability to honestly lead. A tad more overwhelming than your 1 crybaby from 30 years ago against Bush.

Much like our last democrat who occupied the Oval Office, Kerry is in search of a legacy. He was seeking it clear back in the 'Nam, when he had men on his boat film him "re-enacting" things he did. He wanted to be Kennedy all over again. He dug those films out and had Hollywood FX in bullets hitting the water for his DNC opus. I'm surprised they didn't just dub his head onto Rambo's body and show him catching bullets in his teeth.

RICKAMAVEN Offline
#10 Posted:
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snowwolf777

"23 OICs from Swift Boats against Kerry." with a common denominator, they all served as swift boat oic's, they all served in the vietnam war, and not one of them served with him at the time he served.

strange that he was only there 4 months or so and 250 men remember that he was incapable of leadership.

i read somewhere that bush was an ace in vietnam and shot down 11 enemy planes, but the records about this accomplishment got lost. pity!

Charlie Offline
#11 Posted:
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It was only 4 enemy kills Rick! LOL

Charlie
usahog Offline
#12 Posted:
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"they all served in the vietnam war, and not one of them served with him at the time he served."

Rick whats that tell ya??

1. you been reading and listening to the wrong machine...

2. Kerry's short tour of 4 months with everything going on around him he still managed to capture footage for "Kerry's War" this man had an agenda even back in the Vietnam era...

he screwed his fellow Veitnam Vets and given the chance he wants to Screw you Toooo!!!

Not me...

Hog
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#13 Posted:
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usahog

depends if you want to believe his shipmates, the people that served with him, or a bunch of men that did not know him, serve with him, and who are speaking throgh the same group that said, in their whispering campaign against mccain to get him out of the running.

"mccain adopted a black baby"

they did it in a neighborhood that they knew was racist and mccain got beaten and bush went on to almost win the election.

if you are not familiar with the "whispering campaign" either ignore me or research it yourself.
snowwolf777 Offline
#14 Posted:
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RICKAMAVEN: "And not one of them served at the time he served."

Steve Gardner, machine gunner on Kerry's Swift Boat. Says Kerry is a coward and a liar and unfit to serve. Check it out yourself. You're going to look somewhere besides MoveOn.org, however.
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