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Fahrenheit won't play on Army bases
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adroomi Offline
#1 Posted: Sun, Aug 15 2004, 4:06 PM EST
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Yep, I suspected that would happen. AAFES has decided not to run the movie since "it won't make enough money." Ahh, it's good to be a civilian!
CWFoster Offline
#2 Posted: Sun, Aug 15 2004, 4:23 PM EST
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they're probably right! I wouldn't waste my money to see that leftist propaganda masquerading as a "documentary"
adroomi Offline
#3 Posted: Sun, Aug 15 2004, 4:33 PM EST
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$147,926,000 as of 15 August. Yes, I would say it is definately a failure.

Speaking of leftist propaganda masquerading as a documentary, anyone see "The Passion of Christ?"
donutboy2000 Offline
#4 Posted: Sun, Aug 15 2004, 7:23 PM EST
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Gibson is a leftist?
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#5 Posted: Sun, Aug 15 2004, 7:35 PM EST
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adroomi

i avoided seeing it because of the violence it depicts. my admirations of jesus and his moral teachings would not be altered.

i have no religion, and so i have always admired his willingness to pay what he knew to be the price he might have to pay for going against the immorality of his time, crucifixion.

he was a true liberal and sacrificed himself for his beliefs.

i will never understand the christians on this board that use the word liberal as a negative.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#6 Posted: Sun, Aug 15 2004, 7:36 PM EST
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donutboy2000

yes he was.
adroomi Offline
#7 Posted: Sun, Aug 15 2004, 7:37 PM EST
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Yeah.....what Rick said.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#8 Posted: Sun, Aug 15 2004, 10:33 PM EST
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adroomi

i'm glad we agree, but don't start pulling a "charlie" on me. i'll lose faith in your powers.
adroomi Offline
#9 Posted: Sun, Aug 15 2004, 11:01 PM EST
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Ha Ha, no Rick, in regards to your above message I think by reading my past comments you'll see my stance on religion.

Like you, I believe that Jesus was one of the greatest teachers this world has ever had (along with The Buddha, and a few others). Much can be learned by following in these mens footsteps. As to the "God" part of it.........I'll keep my opinion to myself here. Alternate religions and/or beliefs don't sit too good with some folks.

Charlie Offline
#10 Posted: Mon, Aug 16 2004, 6:24 AM EST
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A triad of brothers here on t his one! However, I do not agree with the Hollywood in crowd that tried to have Gibson demonized because of his stance in his belief! And to answer your question Rick! Mel is far from a leftist, and besides he is a BOTL.

Charlie
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#11 Posted: Mon, Aug 16 2004, 8:55 AM EST
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Charlie

i don't know why they tried to demonize him for making amovie that he believed in.

i don't believe i called gibson a leftist, i don't have a clue what his politics are.

i did say that jesus was a liberal and he was.
Martin2277 Offline
#12 Posted: Mon, Aug 16 2004, 1:57 PM EST
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Got news for everyone on this one. Jesus was not a liberal!!!!

As for the orginal post. I am glad they are not playing this pile of horse dung on out bases. The fill is scatered with lies and decieption. Just like Michael Moore to mess things up. Just my $0.02 but if you truley suport what he is saying I would suguest that you move up north.

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Charlie Offline
#13 Posted: Mon, Aug 16 2004, 2:04 PM EST
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Do not get me wrong, I do not and never will support trash like Michael Moore, who makes a film packed full of lies and "set up" live takes to create Propaganda against the Administration! He is a sick fat, pompus, left winger who does not really care about the USA!

Charlie
Homebrew Offline
#14 Posted: Mon, Aug 16 2004, 3:15 PM EST
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I Saw the movie, out of curiosity.
It was a propaganda flick.
It has no place on our military bases.
That said,
Jesus was a liberal. The new Testament affirms that, if you read it. He was a "True Liberal", not in the sense of the liberals today, but liberal in the truest sense of the word. I do not believe he would support the religous right, as he did not support the Pharasees of his day. That said, Gay marrige folks probably wouldn't get his support either, but he would pray for them, rather than condemn. Remember he hung out with tax collectors, prostitutes, and fishermen. Not exactly a pious crowd.
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
adroomi Offline
#15 Posted: Mon, Aug 16 2004, 4:10 PM EST
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...Okay, so let me get this straight. Whether or not a person agrees with the BS that Michael Moore has put into his film is nebulous. Let's not even think in terms of his movie, but rather any movie....

Why would it not be allowed, or should it not be allowed on military bases? Please oh geniuses, give me a reason here. Keep in mind that Bowling for Columbine was banned on Army bases as well. I've been following this little trend for a couple of years now.

Does it not bother anybody that the very individuals that are willing to sacrifice their lives to defend our Constitutional rights are having theirs taken away...or better yet, not taken away, but highly censored?

I personally don't think they should allow church services or movies like "passion" to play on Army bases. They offend me, and don't fit into what I feel is appropriate on a US Government installation (don't forget seperation of church and state).

I wonder if I could start a Witchcraft or Pagan service on base? Would they let me (not that I want to)? Hum, seems the government really does like to censor what we see and hear. Today the military bases, tomorrow the Pantages on Hollywood Blvd.

Anyway, please someone give me an honest reason why that film should not be shown on an Army base....I could give a rat's a*rse less about your personal opinion or what you "think." Give me a VALID REASON!
bassdude Offline
#16 Posted: Mon, Aug 16 2004, 4:22 PM EST
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I personally don't think they should allow church services or movies like "passion" to play on Army bases. They offend me, and don't fit into what I feel is appropriate on a US Government installation (don't forget seperation of church and state).

This is not separation of church and state as our founders meant it. Remember these fellas were fleeing England. Why religious oppression. Why because England mandated a religion. That means it is OK for religious elements, remember our dinero, to be present in govt PERIOD! It means the govt can not mandate or sponsor a religion. That is it.
adroomi Offline
#17 Posted: Mon, Aug 16 2004, 6:06 PM EST
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....Who pays a Chaplain's salary? Who pays to build and maintain the Chapels and all the utilities etc, that go along with them on Military Bases? Oh, the US taxpayer via Uncle Sam. I'm therefore required by law to pay for a religion that I may or may not support.

The same taxpayers (including military folks) that pay for the above also pay for the theatre's on Army bases...why are they not allowed to see what they want to (and trust me, the Military folks I talk to overseas are downloading that movie off the net so fast it will make your head spin). They want to see it!

So, back to my original question.......anyone?
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#18 Posted: Mon, Aug 16 2004, 6:34 PM EST
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"they" should not allow any movies made by any "sick fat, pompus, left winger" to be shown on or off a base or on tv or in theaters or any place, including that commy alfred hitchcock, another sick, fat, pompus director. and he wasn't even american.

imagine birds attacking people. that is so much anti-bird propaganda.

if you are going to direct a movie, you need to be thin, humble and healthy and believe in apple pie.

and as for spielberg, we know what mel's father thinks about jews and that propaganda film about the holocaust that never happened, "schindler's list."
nothing more then jew propeganda.

and carl lerner's "black like me" depicting how nig blacks were supposedly discriminated by honest white folks. i'll bet he was a "sick, fat, pompus, left winger also.

there should be a law that if you are famous, you are not allowed to express your opinion. i'm glad the fbi interrogated those activists as reported
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/186509_fbied.html

they were looking for it, speaking out against the government's action as dictated by what's his name.
rayder1 Offline
#19 Posted: Mon, Aug 16 2004, 10:54 PM EST
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I don't know. Chaplains are able to handle the needs of many denominations.
Should they be paid by the government to provide services for the majority who believe in higher powers?

Maybe. It's only a service...not a negative one. Should the Government pay for condoms so some 17 year old can go bang a $2 whore in an alley in Korea?
Who knows.

The government wastes much more money on pointless ventures. I think questioning the Chaplaincy is pretty minor.
adroomi Offline
#20 Posted: Mon, Aug 16 2004, 11:16 PM EST
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Well, you're not going to find any $2 whores in Korea, that's for sure.
rayder1 Offline
#21 Posted: Mon, Aug 16 2004, 11:25 PM EST
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Figure of speech. ("Two buck whore")

What are they up to nowadays?? LOL

I don't need to know. I'll never pass West of the International Date Line if I don't have to.
penzt8 Offline
#22 Posted: Tue, Aug 17 2004, 4:47 AM EST
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Adroomi,

Just out of curiousity, when was the last time you saw any "documentary" at an AAFES theater? I've been around air force bases for over 25 years and can't think of any. The theaters typically go for the entertainment angle.

Second, AAFES is in the business of making money. They know their audience well. Knowing how most military folks think and live, how many military folks do you figure would attend such a feature film at a military base? I suspect not many.
CWFoster Offline
#23 Posted: Tue, Aug 17 2004, 4:54 AM EST
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OK, I have to weigh in on a couple of points here! FIRST the separation of Church and state does NOT mean "no religeon" it means the faith of one group cannot be imposed upon the whole of society! The Chaplian Corps is AVAILIBLE to all personnel, but NONE are REQUIRED to attend services! The Catholic Chaplian is REQUIRED to serve the needs on the Muslims in a unit in the abscence of a Muslim Mullah, and they DO! There ARE Mullahs in the Chaplain Corps, and Wiccans are allowed to hold services, and any other recognized religeon (apologies to the Rastafarians and the Native American Church isn't allowed to smoke peyote, even though it's legal outside the military). The availabilty of spiritual support is a cornerstone of our values, and we are fighting and dying for the Freedom of Religeon as well as the other freedoms we enjoy, to suggest we fight for freedom of religeon, and not HAVE the freedom to worship as we choose (or not) is ludicrous!
Second, there is NO memo, or message or word of mouth circulating to discourage any military member from seeing whatever movie they want to. I beleive that as profitable as the movie has been, there is not that much intrest among active duty military personnel to watch such tripe! You may know some downloading it off the net, but I know many who don't care in the least, and are MUCH more interested in Spiderman 2 or Collateral than Fareinheit 911. Therefore I stand by my statement that I beleive that the decision by AAFES to not show it is based on the prifitability WITHIN THEIR MARKET, and not as a form of censorship!
penzt8 Offline
#24 Posted: Tue, Aug 17 2004, 6:02 AM EST
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Since you brought it up, where in the constitution does it say there will be separation of church and state? Nowhere that i'm aware of. In fact, the word church in not to be found in the constitution and the word religion is only found once.

Amendment I. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

The key part of this amendment in my mind is the "make no law" portion.

Can anyone quote a law that requires citizens to practice a religion or that prohibits them from it?

Simply mentioning God is not unconstitutional. Mentioning God in a public place is not unconstitutional, in fact it is protected by the statement "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF.

Nowhere does it say that the practice of prayer in front of another person or in a government facility is an infringement upon another persons rights. It says they will "make no law".

So I ask again, what law has been made?

BTW, I'm a nonpracticing agnostic and don't really care either way. But as a point of argument "separation of church and state" is not a valid reference to the constitution.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#25 Posted: Tue, Aug 17 2004, 6:04 AM EST
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CWFoster

michael moore that fat, whatever some of you guys call him, in a cute little gesture decided to show the movie in crawford texas, population about 700. 3000 people attended the showing.

i would have made it a point to see it were i still in the military, talked about it, and encouraged everyone to see it.

that may explain my number of article 15's.
CWFoster Offline
#26 Posted: Tue, Aug 17 2004, 6:12 AM EST
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Thank you Penzt8! my point exactly! While on the subject, I hope most of our warriors beleive in something beyod killing the enemy. The feudal Japanese Samuri practised Busido, which is a sect of Buddism (I beleive)translated as "the way of the warrior" and if you asked a Samuri what martial art he was best at, he would be as likely to answer his haiku, his bonsai, or his Cha-No-Yu (ceremonial tea service) as his swordsmanship, or his skill at archery. This recognised the need for a true warrior to be a well rounded individual. If the only skill or interest you posses is combative, you are a killer, not a warrior. Everyone I know has some hobby they enjoy beyond the capacities of their military duties, some being devoutly religeous, some taking great interest in building up their cars, ect. More power to them all!
CWFoster Offline
#27 Posted: Tue, Aug 17 2004, 6:17 AM EST
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BTW, in support of my above point, the military bases offer woodworking hobby shops, and automotive hobby shops, as well as chapels for the practice of religeon, so there are creative and spiritual outlets to be enjoyed by all who desire it!
bassdude Offline
#28 Posted: Tue, Aug 17 2004, 6:43 AM EST
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I don't remember anyone saying constitution.

You ask about laws which leads me to ask how did they force the Alabama judiciary to remove the 10 Commandments?
usahog Offline
#29 Posted: Tue, Aug 17 2004, 7:25 AM EST
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"how did they force the Alabama judiciary to remove the 10 Commandments?"

Money, and politics...

also happened in a Texas Courthouse recently...with a King James version Bible...

it is not politcally correct and viewed by some to be forcing a religion on others...

Hog
penzt8 Offline
#30 Posted: Tue, Aug 17 2004, 7:52 AM EST
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I would say that the reason we have so many of these cases is because of the loose interpretation of the constitution by the judges and justices appointed to our courts.

adroomi Offline
#31 Posted: Tue, Aug 17 2004, 8:00 AM EST
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....this movie, this stupid stupid movie is the talk of any town anywhere about now. What would make anybody so bold as to say that the US Military would not want to see it? Are we saying that since they are in uniform, they think differently than most Americans. May know a few guys downloading it? It's the cover story on the Pacific Stars and Stripes. there's more talk of this movie on the bases overseas right now then there is of the next deployment. Don't worry though, I burned exactly 100 copies of it last night, and today distributed it appropriately to 100 lucky sailors outside the gate at Yokosuka. When I ran out, I had guys literally yelling their email addresses at me, trying to get a copy. Hummmmm....maybe they're just as curious as the rest of America. It is a pretty stupid movie though.
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#32 Posted: Tue, Aug 17 2004, 8:22 AM EST
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I have no desire to see it. The military are not restricted in most places so if they want to see it they just go off base.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#33 Posted: Tue, Aug 17 2004, 10:22 AM EST
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penzt8

"will be separation of church and state"

true, true, true. it isn't in the constitution. the founding fathers wanted to make sure this country did not become like england was, with an established religion and the christian right want establish one.

by the way, how does one non-practice to be an agnostic? do you avoid meetings, assuming there are any. do you non-pray for a better life, or at football games for your team to win or do you non-pray for the other guys to lose.

if you have read any of my posts, you will know where my mind is regarding religion, if not ask.
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#34 Posted: Tue, Aug 17 2004, 10:26 AM EST
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adroomi

feel free to send a copy to

RICK MILLER
481 E. WHITTIER BLVD
SUITE 4A
LA HABRA, CA, 90631

and let me know if you want a copy of almost any music that is at least 30 years old or a dvd of a movie about the same age.
penzt8 Offline
#35 Posted: Tue, Aug 17 2004, 11:20 AM EST
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Ric,

I've grown apathetic about my agnosticism so I seldom participate in any of the rituals. Although, I'm still good for a rousing tirade of blasphemous theological vocalizations whenever the situation dictates.
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#36 Posted: Tue, Aug 17 2004, 2:10 PM EST
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adroomi, I can't speak for the PTO, but I haven't heard anyone mention it here in Norfolk! NOB, USS Kearsarge. I CAN speak for myself and those I hang around with thank you very much. I might give a pirate edition a look, just to see was all the buzz is about, but I wouldn't spend a penny that might go into that lying bastards pocket!
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