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ANTI-KERRY SWIFT BOATERS LOSE AGAIN
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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Anti-Kerry Book Scribe Sorry for Slurs

WASHINGTON - One of the authors of a new anti-John Kerry (news - web sites) book frequently posted comments on a conservative Web site describing Muslims and Catholics as pedophiles and Pope John Paul (news - web sites) II as senile.

But as he prepared to launch the book, "Unfit for Command," Jerry Corsi apologized for the remarks in an interview with The Associated Press Tuesday, saying they were meant as a joke (A JOKE MY ASS) and he never intended to offend anyone. (LIAR, LIAR, PANTS ON FIRE)

In chat room entry last year on freerepublic.com, Corsi writes: "Islam is a peaceful religion — just
as long as the women are beaten, the boys buggered and the infidels are killed."

In another entry, he says: "So this is what the last days of the Catholic Church are going to look like. Buggering boys undermines the moral base and the lawyers rip the gold off the Vatican (news - web sites) altars. We may get one more Pope, when this senile one dies, but that's probably about it."

Corsi, who described himself as a "devout Catholic," said the comments are being taken out of context. "I considered them a joke," said Corsi, who owns a financial services company and has
written extensively on the anti-war movement.

(CORSI IS THE MAJOR FUNDER THAT STARTED THE ANTI-KERRY HATE CAMPAIGN BY "SWIFT BOAT VETS)

In a March posting, Corsi discussed Kerry's faith, writing: "After he married TerRAHsa, didn't John
Kerry begin practicing Judaism? He also has paternal grandparents that were Jewish. What religion is John Kerry?"

Kerry and his wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry, are Catholic.

"I don't stand by any of those comments and I apologize if they offended anybody," Corsi said.

(TOO LATE. YOU HAVE BEEN OUTED)

The Kerry campaign called Corsi's Web chat postings disgusting.

"President Bush (news - web sites) should immediately condemn this sleazy book written by a virulent anti-Catholic bigot. It says something about the smear campaign against John Kerry that it has stooped to enlist a hatemonger," said campaign spokesman Chad Clanton.

Calls to the Bush-Cheney campaign were not immediately returned.

"Unfit for Command," which goes on sale Wednesday, accuses the Democratic presidential nominee of lying about his decorated wartime record and betraying comrades by returning from Vietnam and alleging widespread atrocities by U.S. troops.

The book claims that Kerry earned his Silver Star not in a barrage of enemy fire, but rather by killing a fleeing Viet Cong teenager. It also questions the three Purple Hearts that Kerry earned, saying that none was for serious injuries and two wounds were self-inflicted.

According to medical records from his naval service, Kerry still has shrapnel in his thigh from a war injury.

"I think it's important the country have the facts about John Kerry so that they can reach a reasonable decision," said co-author John O'Neill, who succeeded Kerry in command of a swift boat. O'Neill also is spokesman for Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, which began airing an anti-Kerry ad last week.





DrMaddVibe Offline
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Now if we could do the same with you!
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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DrMaddVibe

do what and why?
eleltea Offline
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If he means beat and bugger, Rick, I disavow DMV's comment.
osage Offline
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Let me see... It is 200+ against 9 or so for. The truth will come out. I see where the Democrat Party is now saying that it was dark the night Kerry was supposed to be in Cambodia and maybe he wasn't quite there. Surprise, surprise!
Sonny_LSU Offline
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HA! we know Bush wasn't even on the continent.....he was in Alabama!!!!
osage Offline
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Maybe he was...maybe he wasn't! Hahaha
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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osage

"THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE"

one honest person beats 900 BS artists.
SteveS Offline
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How many does it take to balance the 900
# BS artist Michael Moore??
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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SteveS

"How many does it take to balance the 900 # BS artist Michael Moore??"

this is not a complete sentence. please rewrite it.

JonR Offline
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Yo Rick:

I think what SteveS was trying to say is michael moore weighs as much as all those alleged 900 BS artists put together.

LOL

JonR
rayder1 Offline
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Rick...what if you have it backwards. Say for instance:

900 B.S. artists are actually those who see an apple as an apple...maybe those who see with open eyes and minds.

1 Honest Person is only honest in his own mind, closed minded and views the world through feces covered glasses...not unlike youself.

Wouldn't that throw your balance off? Maybe those 900 BS artists are actually right?

Charlie Offline
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Rick

You know damn good and well what Steve meant in his question, and you like to dodge the isssue (LOL) with a comeback, yes, Michael Moore, unshaven and unkemp, should be held accountable for his bending and reshaping of the truth to accomplish his goal........a "documentary" that demeans and twists the truth in all directions and presents an all out falsehood!!!!

Sonny_soon to be Georgia, I was in Vietnam and I am not a war hero just an ex Navy Guy who will not vote for Kerry!

Charlie
rayder1 Offline
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Don't forget...Micheal Moore's a millionaire now...if he wasn't before.

I wonder if he's also willing to live in poverty so he can donate to his favorite causes. I mean ...give it ALL away.

Naw...it would take away all of his McBurger money.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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rayder1

"Maybe those 900 BS artists are actually right?"

but they are not. they are liars.


ilovemaui Offline
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Rick, You've obviously got your head stuck where the sun don't shine. If you followed up on your original post you'd learn that the author of that story is also the autor of the Kerry/Edwards campaign booklet. But, of course if it's liberal trash it must be true!
rayder1 Offline
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Rick...I have the feeling that if 900 people were telling you it was day (and it was) and you were agruing that it was night (because you wanted it to be) they could never convince you of that. And in your mind...they would be wrong (or BS artists).

You frequently say that George Bush was not voted in by a majority. This is because...a majority makes a vote or an issue right...correct? That has been your argument for years....no majority...Bush should not have won. Majority rules...majority is right?

Looks to me that you are calling daytime night again. Probably because your eyes are shut.
cwaddell_1 Offline
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Okay, let’s get some things straight. Mr. Corsi is recognized as a co-author because he did a good bit of research and also the editing of the book. O’Neill did the vast majority of the writing. Next, Mr. Corsi is a devout Catholic. So as for his remarks about Catholics it is kind of like rednecks telling redneck jokes. Also it seems suspect that the only way the book is being disputed is by attempts to discredit those who wrote it. How about disputing the facts? Just because someone makes some insensitive comments doesn’t mean he can’t speak the truth, especially about a completely different subject. Given, it may hurt his credibility, but is it not more important to analyze the charges? Of course if these claims were being made by people who had never even served in the military much less in Kerry’s unit it would be a different story. But the facts are that those making these charges were in Vietnam and the majority served in the same unit as Kerry. While not on the same boat, they were on other boats that operated along side Kerry’s. They also had personal interaction with Kerry while not on the water. So back to the facts, why is Kerry’s camp not speaking out that the facts being offered by these vets are inaccurate? Why are they not moving to show evidence that what they are saying is not true. Instead they do there best to intimidate and discredit those making the charges. Kerry could show scars to show how major his wounds were. He could release his full military records. Yet he refuses to do these things.

Let’s look at a hypothetical situation. If someone witnesses a crime and is on the stand giving testimony as to what he witnessed; is it more important to decide if he is telling you the truth about the facts or their motivations for being on the stand? No I am not accusing Kerry of any crimes. I am just making the point that the accusations should be addressed before the motivations of the accusers.

In my opinion the truth lies somewhere between the memory of Kerry and the memories of the Swift Boat Vets. Was Kerry brave by volunteering to go to war? I think regardless of his motivations, yes. Did he push harder than most to get his Purple Hearts? Probably. Did he act heroically in the rescue of a fellow soldier? Even if it wasn’t the spectacular scene Kerry made it out to be, of course. As for the finer details, I have yet to read the book so I can make no further judgments. However it would be nice to hear some arguments from Kerry’s camp disputing the actual facts so everyone can make a judgment on what really matters, the facts.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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cwaddell_1

don't listen to me or anyone else. there is enough information on the internet both pro and con.. do some research and use your own judgement after you have learned what the facts are. don't read just the conservative or the liberal. dig in to find out who is doing what to who.

then make up your mind for yourself.
usahog Offline
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Rick, Why are the Dems filing Lawsuits against the Media Stations for airing the swiftboat vets commercial rather than filing these suits against these individuals??

trying to get the media stations shut down on this issue rather then addressing the issues these men accuse Kerry of???

DUH...

Hog
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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probably the same reason the RNC tried to prevent ads for FAHRENHEIT 911 on radio, tv, and newspapers. also.if i'm not mistaken, the group is a corporation and this is the best way to handle them.
donutboy2000 Offline
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Free speech issue?
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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rayder1

"your eyes are shut"

hell, no wonder i can't read.
rayder1 Offline
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Probably need new glasses....the one's you are using make your eyes stare to the left too much.
cwaddell_1 Offline
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Rick,
You are right there is a ton of info on the issue all over the internet, from countless sources. However there is no rebuttal of the facts from the one source I want, the Kerry camp. Instead of reading articles by pundits and journalist I want to hear from the man himself. Do you know of anywhere on the net I can read this information?
usahog Offline
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good luck CWaddell....

I also have been looking for the words from John Kerry or his Camp as rebuttle to these claims... the only thing I have found is how they have gone after the media outlets for airing this information...

Shut down the first ammendment rights "yea thats the ticket"

Hog
eleltea Offline
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Proud mother, watching parade:

"Look! Everyone's out of step but my Johnny!"
Cavallo Offline
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well, i'm not "from the kerry camp," but it looks like one of the swift boaters against kerry stepped in some factual doo-doo of his own making:

Records Counter a Critic of Kerry
Fellow Skipper's Citation Refers To Enemy Fire
Washington Post

by Michael Dobbs

Newly obtained military records of one of Sen. John F. Kerry's most vocal critics, who has accused the Democratic presidential candidate of lying about his wartime record to win medals, contradict his own version of events.

In newspaper interviews and a best-selling book, Larry Thurlow, who commanded a Navy Swift boat alongside Kerry in Vietnam, has strongly disputed Kerry's claim that the Massachusetts Democrat's boat came under fire during a mission in Viet Cong-controlled territory on March 13, 1969. Kerry won a Bronze Star for his actions that day.

But Thurlow's military records, portions of which were released yesterday to The Washington Post under the Freedom of Information Act, contain several references to "enemy small arms and automatic weapons fire" directed at "all units" of the five-boat flotilla. Thurlow won his own Bronze Star that day, and the citation praises him for providing assistance to a damaged Swift boat "despite enemy bullets flying about him."

As one of five Swift boat skippers who led the raid up the Bay Hap River, Thurlow was a direct participant in the disputed events. He is also a leading member of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, a public advocacy group of Vietnam veterans dismayed by Kerry's subsequent antiwar activities, which has aired a controversial television advertisement attacking his war record.

In interviews and written reminiscences, Kerry has described how his 50-foot patrol boat came under fire from the banks of the Bay Hap after a mine explosion disabled another U.S. patrol boat. According to Kerry and members of his crew, the firing continued as an injured Kerry leaned over the bow of his ship to rescue a Special Forces officer who was blown overboard in a second explosion.

Last month, Thurlow swore in an affidavit that Kerry was "not under fire" when he fished Lt. James Rassmann out of the water. He described Kerry's Bronze Star citation, which says that all units involved came under "small arms and automatic weapons fire," as "totally fabricated."

"I never heard a shot," Thurlow said in his affidavit, which was released by Swift Boats Veterans for Truth. The group claims the backing of more than 250 Vietnam veterans, including a majority of Kerry's fellow boat commanders.

A document recommending Thurlow for the Bronze Star noted that all his actions "took place under constant enemy small arms fire which LTJG THURLOW completely ignored in providing immediate assistance" to the disabled boat and its crew. The citation states that all other units in the flotilla also came under fire.

"It's like a Hollywood presentation here, which wasn't the case," Thurlow said last night after being read the full text of his Bronze Star citation. "My personal feeling was always that I got the award for coming to the rescue of the boat that was mined. This casts doubt on anybody's awards. It is sickening and disgusting."

Thurlow said he would consider his award "fraudulent" if coming under enemy fire was the basis for it. "I am here to state that we weren't under fire," he said. He speculated that Kerry could have been the source of at least some of the language used in the citation.

In a telephone interview Tuesday evening after he attended a Swift Boat Veterans strategy session in an Arlington hotel, Thurlow said he lost his Bronze Star citation more than 20 years ago. He said he was unwilling to authorize release of his military records because he feared attempts by the Kerry campaign to discredit him and other anti-Kerry veterans.

The Post filed an independent request for the documents with the National Personnel Records Center in St. Louis, which is the central repository for veterans' records. The documents were faxed to The Post by officials at the records center yesterday.

Thurlow and other anti-Kerry veterans have repeatedly alleged that Kerry was the author of an after-action report that described how his boat came under enemy fire. Kerry campaign researchers dispute that assertion, and there is no convincing documentary evidence to settle the argument. As the senior skipper in the flotilla, Thurlow might have been expected to write the after-action report for March 13, but he said that Kerry routinely "duked the system" to present his version of events.

For much of the episode, Kerry was not in a position to know firsthand what was happening on Thurlow's boat, as Kerry's boat had sped down the river after the mine exploded under another boat. He later returned to provide assistance to the stricken boat.

Thurlow, an oil industry worker and former teacher in Kansas, said he was angry with Kerry for his antiwar activities on his return to the United States and particularly Kerry's claim before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that U.S. troops in Vietnam had committed war crimes "with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command."

" 'Upset' is too mild a word," said Thurlow, a registered Republican, of his reaction to Kerry then. "He did it strictly for his own personal political gain, and it directly affected every single one of us as we were trying to put our lives together."

Two other Swift boat skippers who were direct participants in the March 13, 1969, mine explosion on the Bay Hap, Jack Chenoweth and Richard Pees, have said they do not remember coming under "enemy fire." A fourth commander, Don Droz, who was one of Kerry's closest friends in Vietnam, was killed in action a month later.

The incident featured prominently in an anti-Kerry television ad produced by Swift Boat Veterans for Truth earlier this month. "John Kerry lied to get his Bronze Star," says Van Odell, a gunner on PCF-23, one of the boats that came to the rescue of the stricken boat. "I know. I was there."

The Bronze Star controversy is also a major focus of an anti-Kerry book by John E. O'Neill, "Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry," which will hit No. 2 on The Post's bestseller list this weekend. The book accuses Kerry of "fleeing the scene" and lying repeatedly about his role.

Members of Kerry's crew have come to his defense, as has Rassmann, the Special Forces officer whom he fished from the river. Rassmann says he has vivid memories of being fired at from both banks after he fell into the river and as Kerry came to his rescue. The two had an emotional reunion on the eve of the Iowa Democratic caucuses in January, an event that some political analysts believe helped swing votes to Kerry at a crucial time.

The Bronze Star recommendations for both Kerry and Thurlow were signed by Lt. Cmdr. George M. Elliott, who received reports on the incident from his base in the Gulf of Thailand. Elliott is a supporter of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and has questioned Kerry's actions in Vietnam. But he has refused repeated requests for an interview after issuing conflicting statements to the Boston Globe about whether Kerry deserved a Silver Star. He was unreachable last night.

Money has poured into Swift Boat Veterans for Truth since the group launched its television advertisement attacking Kerry earlier this month. According to O'Neill, the group has received more than $450,000 over the past two weeks, mainly in small contributions. The Dallas Morning News reported yesterday that the organization has also received two $100,000 checks from Houston home builder Bob Perry, who backed George W. Bush's campaigns for Texas governor and for president.

Bush campaign officials have said they have no connection to Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, which is not permitted to coordinate its activities with a presidential campaign under federal election law.
usahog Offline
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So why hasn't Kerry or his Campaign filed charges directly on these guys??

they want to go after the media to jush the story's, but don't want to go after the persons responsible for these storys?? too damn fishy to me...

Hog
Cavallo Offline
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hog: dang, son! the story just came out today! lol

who knows why either side does anything (or doesn't do certain things). why won't bush speak up and actually say that he doesn't actively condone the swift boat conspirators? easy enough thing to do. ;)
CWFoster Offline
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Could it be because if they push the point and prove the truth of the matter, they'll shoot themselves in the foot?


(pun intended!)
Cavallo Offline
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LOL clive, that's about what i'm thinking.

politics are a big ol' mine field. sometimes you get lucky and step the right way and miss it; sometimes you do your best and still see one butt cheek go east while the other goes west! lol
usahog Offline
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"why won't bush speak up and actually say that he doesn't actively condone the swift boat conspirators? easy enough thing to do. ;)"

Probably because Bush knows this country was and is established on the Constitution and Bill of Rights...

1st Ammendment is something you cannot just take away from an individual(s) because it doesn't fit your likings...

this just didn't come out today... by the end of the week the (Book) writen by these guys will hit #2 as stated in the article you posted... and so far all I've heard as far as rebuttle to these claims from Kerry's camp is their going to sue the media outlets that are airing these story's from these men??? Fishy...

all ya hear on the news is trying to direct this as a Bush Campaign Smear... what about the actual statements coming from these Guys??? I see a bunch of pissed off Veterans who have a right to what actually took place... and tell me something... wouldn't you be pissed off also if you were stuck in a hell hole fighting for your country for 24 months or longer and then one of your fellow soldiers only hooked up with you for a tour of 4 months left early.. went back home and then made public statements about how you did business in a WAR ZONE??

Kerry discredited every American Fighting Man and Woman who fought in Vietnam when he said the things he said... and to this day I believe there isn't one sworn statement signed by any of these people O'Neil asked Kerry about back in 1971 on the ****** Cavett show???

all these people testified on the Senate floor back then but then to get sworn statements by all these Anti War Protestors was a different story?? even Kerry himself didn't want to sign an afidavid..

Hog
Herr Rabbit Offline
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And yet still, Kerry has not denied, repudiated or disproved the charges.

Has he settled on a date and reason why he was in Cambodia? You know, the event seared into his mind (apparently over and over again). Even your post does nothing to refute one assertion.

Oh, and note no mention of Soros and his 20 milllion funding of those liars at moveon. Just an 1.5 mil Republican donation, that's LEGAL.
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Rabbit, haven't you figured it out yet? Lieing is only something Republicans do! Democrats PREVARICATE! (Their supporters don't know what THAT word mens!) George Soros isn't campaigning FOR Kerry, but against Bush, so the $20 Million he's spending doesn't fall under the much (Democraticly) vaunted "Canpaign Finance Reform" that was supposed to do away with rich special intrest groups from trying to buy elections for their (Republican) candidates. You siily rabbit! Did you REALLY yhink those rules were EVER meant to apply to the Democrats! They are the party of the working class people! In fact, in honor of his supporters, I fully expect for Kerry to rename the country the Peoples Republic of America!
Herr Rabbit Offline
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Thank you CWF, I've never been called a "silly rabbit" before. LMAO

I sent Swift Boats $25.00, If the Washington Post won't interview them, I know they must have a hold on the truth, not Kerry's ever changing story. Kerry made Nam the basis of his campign, no one else is to blame. How else could he skip those 20 years in the Senate and his abysmal record?

I see my own Sen. Tom "Ol' Fuzzy Head" Harkin called Cheney a coward for having a deferment. The same deferment Sen. Edwards had! LMAOPIMP

Isn't that a backhanded slap at the draft dodger former President? Wasn't Clinton celebrated for artfully skipping out of his military requirement? Truly, for Dems, history started this morning (Ann Coulter).
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