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Sonny_LSU Offline
#1 Posted: Thu, Aug 5 2004, 4:45 AM EST
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http://abcnews.go.com/sections/Nightline/Vote2004/springsteen_040804-1.html

What? Now he's a P@ssy Communist too?
JonR Offline
#2 Posted: Thu, Aug 5 2004, 5:06 AM EST
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Not to mention drug addict extraordinaire.

JonR
Sonny_LSU Offline
#3 Posted: Thu, Aug 5 2004, 5:16 AM EST
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I think you're on drugs!
Homebrew Offline
#4 Posted: Thu, Aug 5 2004, 6:30 AM EST
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JonR,
I believe that you have Springsteen mixed up with Rush Limbaugh.
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
Charlie Offline
#5 Posted: Thu, Aug 5 2004, 6:36 AM EST
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I have long been a fan of Springsteen, and will still listen to his CD's....so what if he has poor political tastes! Just don't preach to me at a concert!

Charlie
rayder1 Offline
#6 Posted: Thu, Aug 5 2004, 6:41 AM EST
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I still don't think that anyone who hasn't lived among the masses should have an opinion.

To the actors, actresses, song writers, atheletes:

There isn't a day where you wake up and have to worry about your next meal.

A high power bill doesn't result in a sacrifice of something else in your life.

You don't have to get up before 5 AM to go to work if you don't want to.

A broken transmission in your car doesn't mean your kid cannot go to summer camp.

Your name alone gets you the best table, a front row seat you don't pay for, the best service, a private flight so you don't have to wait for 3 hours at an airport.

I fully understand that talent, skill and timing has rewards that are deserved. But to attempt to be a spokesperson of the people is BS.

I love Springsteen's music. I hear the messages in his songs...agree with some...don't others...but he needs to just shut up and sing.

lukin Offline
#7 Posted: Thu, Aug 5 2004, 6:56 AM EST
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being a long time Neil Young fan...I can only refer to springsteen as the other white meat.

As for hi political views, even though I am conservative, it doesn't really bother me. People though I would stop being a Pearl Jam fan after that flap two years ago, but I tell them that 1. anyone who votes a certain way because a celebrity tells them to should have that inscribed on their headstone, and 2. the passion that makes them want to create controversy is the same passion that makes them create the music they do, I wouldn't want to trade one for the other.
uncleb Offline
#8 Posted: Thu, Aug 5 2004, 7:12 AM EST
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JonR,

Do you facts to back up your statement? You are always very quick to get on Rick for not providing facts.
uncleb Offline
#9 Posted: Thu, Aug 5 2004, 7:14 AM EST
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Lukin,

Great response. That is exactly how I feel about it.
Sonny_LSU Offline
#10 Posted: Thu, Aug 5 2004, 7:23 AM EST
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good point rayder
Charlie Offline
#11 Posted: Thu, Aug 5 2004, 7:32 AM EST
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Rayder

Your post was very much right on point! Could not agree more and wish I had taken time to come up with such a great argument!

Charlie
bassdude Offline
#12 Posted: Thu, Aug 5 2004, 7:37 AM EST
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very good post rayder.

Remember the Dixie Chicks??
uncleb Offline
#13 Posted: Thu, Aug 5 2004, 7:42 AM EST
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So what Rayder is saying is that because of a certain person's financial status, they should be allowed to have a political opinion? Hmmmmm.
uncleb Offline
#14 Posted: Thu, Aug 5 2004, 7:43 AM EST
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CORRECTION- I missed the NOT as in "they should NOT be allowed to have a political opinion"
tailgater Offline
#15 Posted: Thu, Aug 5 2004, 9:03 AM EST
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Charlie hit this one on the head.
I could give a rats ass about my favorite musicians political views. Just don't spew them out during a concert.
Consider the forum. If they use their public persona to express their views that's fine. Just don't bitch and mewl when the public reacts.

I saw springsteen on his last tour. He sang songs. It was a great concert. No mention of politics.
As it should be.

castlewa Offline
#16 Posted: Thu, Aug 5 2004, 9:11 AM EST
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Rayder,

You hit the nail on the head. Thank you.

Castlewa
bassdude Offline
#17 Posted: Thu, Aug 5 2004, 9:25 AM EST
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uncleb they can have an opinion but it counts no more than yours or mine.
uncleb Offline
#18 Posted: Thu, Aug 5 2004, 10:16 AM EST
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Bassdude,

I agree wholeheartedly with you. Rayder doesn't appear to be that open minded though.

"I still don't think that anyone who hasn't lived among the masses should have an opinion."
428cj Offline
#19 Posted: Thu, Aug 5 2004, 5:04 PM EST
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Sonny, you've given out this brilliantly insightful commentary to others here on many occasions, so I now want to return your words to you: PUNK!!!


Haha!!!!
Sonny_LSU Offline
#20 Posted: Fri, Aug 6 2004, 6:28 AM EST
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;)
BeatDragon Offline
#21 Posted: Fri, Aug 6 2004, 9:07 AM EST
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ya know.....ya know.... ya know.... ya know...seems to be a refrain

Eeeeeeesh

What rayder and Charlie said.

Besides, Bruce Sprinsteens "music" makes me gag.
adroomi Offline
#22 Posted: Fri, Aug 6 2004, 4:07 PM EST
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....so, let me get this straight, only folks who wake up to go to work at 4:00 am, have broken cars, and make less money than rich people have a right to vote or express their opinion? Gee, I live 7000 miles away from Capitol Hill, do I still get to vote and express my political opinions, or am I banned as well.

What exactly did the man say in that interview that made you all so mad at him? Quite honestly, I think it made a bit of sense. Yes, it's obvious that he is voting for Kerry, but he never outright bashes anybody, or even builds Kerry up to be more than he is. He even states "I don't think he has all the answers."

Oh I get it, he actually had the fortitude to disagree with the powers that be and ask for change....my my my, maybe he deserves to be "banned from the USA." How dare he excercise his constitutional right of freedom of speech! Especially to criticise God, oops I mean Bush.

Musicians shouldn't be allowed to express political views? Have we forgotten Clinton's multimillion-dollar extravaganza called "Rock the Vote," where he convinced musicians to help him win?

I don't have a car, can my kid still go to camp or is she banned from the masses?
adroomi Offline
#23 Posted: Fri, Aug 6 2004, 4:09 PM EST
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....by the way, I do not like Kerry, and will not vote for him, so before you start bashing me as a Bush-Basher, just back off!
usahog Offline
#24 Posted: Fri, Aug 6 2004, 4:50 PM EST
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LMAO @ Adroomi...


Tell it like ya see it Bro!!!!

I don't like Bruce Springsteen because when he sings he screams into the microphone... and when he's stoned he even sounds worse as the night rolls on...

and the only damn reason I'm voting for Bush is because he's only the better of the two we have running... Period...

Hog
uncleb Offline
#25 Posted: Fri, Aug 6 2004, 7:59 PM EST
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I am a pretty big Springsteen fan and have been for awhile. For all the years I have been a fan never once have drugs ever been associated with him. Quite the contrary, he has always had an impecable reputation as someone that does not partake even in heavy drinking nor have there ever been any incidents to suggest so. So why doi I see these posts insinuating drug use? Is it some narrow minded "he is a rock star so he must do drugs" thing? Inquiring minds want to know.
adroomi Offline
#26 Posted: Fri, Aug 6 2004, 9:47 PM EST
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Yeah.....and next you'll all be saying that just because someone listens to rock music they get stoned as well! You'll also say that people that listen to rock music get stoned as well.....and then you'll say that...did I say that already? Hey....by the way. OUCH...I just burned my fingers. Hey
pabloescabar Offline
#27 Posted: Fri, Aug 6 2004, 10:48 PM EST
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roach clip?
usahog Offline
#28 Posted: Fri, Aug 6 2004, 11:10 PM EST
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No Uncleb, I don't know, I'm a die hard Nugent Fan and I hear the same BS about him... whats your take on Nugent music BTW??

You think Nugent is heavy into drugs and alcohol??

Hog
bloody spaniard Offline
#29 Posted: Sat, Aug 7 2004, 5:08 AM EST
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Ya gotta love Adroomi and Pablo! Two round pegs in the squares of life...

Long live Terrible Ted!

I gotta meet Hog and Uncleb (in person) one of these years.
Hmmmm, maybe that's more than any human being can endure. LOL

blood
rayder1 Offline
#30 Posted: Sat, Aug 7 2004, 6:58 AM EST
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Not that they shouldn't have an opinion...that was a bit harsh. What I mean...is that their opinions should be taken within the context of their life. And give their opinion the same regard they would give you if you offered them your opinion.

They (celebrities) don't walk among us. They live in a different plane.

Charlie Offline
#31 Posted: Sat, Aug 7 2004, 8:07 AM EST
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Roach Clip, need one for my cigars, as I smoke them till I burn my fingers!

Charlie
uncleb Offline
#32 Posted: Sat, Aug 21 2004, 9:24 PM EST
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Just got back from vacation Hog and saw your question on Nugent.

I was a big Nugent fan back in the 70's. Great brand of hard rock. Underrated guitarist.

My take is that he is too extreme in his own way for drugs. Anyone that is that passionate about his way of life doesn't need the drugs. He is truly high on (his way of) life.
CWFoster Offline
#33 Posted: Sun, Aug 22 2004, 4:13 AM EST
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Saw Nugent a few years back when he opened for KISS) KISS has a hell of a rep for partying hard, bur he made a point of telling the crowd when he first got in the business, he saw Henrix die, Joplin, and other behind drub use, and he figured that was not the smart thing to do, so he never started. says he's been clean and sober for all 50 or so years of his life! (nice gun collection! and refuses to tour during hunting season!
CWFoster Offline
#34 Posted: Sun, Aug 22 2004, 4:34 AM EST
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Speaking of celebrities and their politics, I think we should file a class action lawsuit against Alec Baldwin for non-performance! He said he'd leave the country if Bush got elected, and the mofo is still here!
Homebrew Offline
#35 Posted: Sun, Aug 22 2004, 5:28 AM EST
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Hey Guys,
From what I see, Springsteen, is not promoting Kerry, in his concerts, he has signed up to do some shows, as a benefit, for a political cause. There is a HUGE difference. By the way, I didn't see any of ya'll having a problem with Arnold speaking his mind politically, for the last 15-20 years, before he got into politics. Just because he is on the opposite side, of your beliefs, doesn't mean that he should sit down and shut up, that would be UNAMERICAN. Any way, I seem to remember Springsteen came from humble roots, and made it to superstardom, the old fashioned way. He has walked among us, but climbed the ladder the American way. So now that he doesn't walk around us, his opinion doesn't matter????? I believe him to be much more enlightened as he was not born with a silver spoon, but his kids are. That is a major plus in his credability.
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
P.S. I don't care fore springsteen myself, but to each his own.
ilovemaui Offline
#36 Posted: Sun, Aug 22 2004, 7:45 AM EST
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I've never been a Springsteen fan. I could never understand what people saw in the guy to begin with. With that said I also don't want to go to a concert to hear the liberal elite spew their political beliefs on me. SHUT UP AND SING, damnit!
CWFoster Offline
#37 Posted: Sun, Aug 22 2004, 7:54 AM EST
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What Homie and Maui said!
usahog Offline
#38 Posted: Sun, Aug 22 2004, 1:31 PM EST
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yea what ILM said...

I'm not going to pay $75.00 bucks to listen to someone tell me their feelings about their politics.. I can get it right here at Cbif forums for free and be listening to whatever tunes I want to...

Springsteen is not one of them....

Shut up And Sing!!!!

Hog
DrMaddVibe Offline
#39 Posted: Sun, Aug 22 2004, 2:11 PM EST
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I like about 4 of his songs.

I've seen him twice live.


If it twirls your beeny...go with it. I lump him right there with Jimmy Buffett,Melissa Ethridge,Indigo Girls,REM and Dave Matthews Band.

My life isn't improved an iota because of what they do or say.
snowwolf777 Offline
#40 Posted: Sun, Aug 22 2004, 4:05 PM EST
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Homebrew: Guess again. Detroit Free Press article (July 17) regarding the concert scheduled for Cobo Arena Oct. 3:

"A Warner Bros. Records spokeswoman on Friday confirmed R.E.M.'s participation in the concerts, including Detroit. She said the band will play several of the events -- what she described as Kerry fund-raising shows -- before launching a national tour for its upcoming new album.

"A Democratic Party official in Washington, while not confirming the multi-city concert plan, said it would be in keeping with plans by the Kerry campaign and the Democratic National Committee to coordinate campaign events and fund-raising during the fall.

"John Kerry and John Edwards may appear at some of the concerts."

This concert bill includes Springsteen and REM. Yes, they are pimping for Kerry - plain and simple. Springsteen may not come out and say "Vote for John Kerry" at his concert, but he might as well via participation in this event. In fact, I think he is claiming he is playing concerts "in opposition to Bush's relection." So you can spin that as you like.

Having said all that, it's their right. But let's not try and cover it up as they're just being politically aware. They're Bush haters, same as the Hollywood left, and they're using what clout they have to raise money and get Kerry elected. That's how the game is played.
snowwolf777 Offline
#41 Posted: Sun, Aug 22 2004, 4:13 PM EST
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One more: USA Today, Aug. 6

"Pro-Kerry tour could reap $44M
By Michael McCarthy, USA TODAY
Before it's over, the concert tour to elect John Kerry could take in as much money as some of the summer's major musical gigs. By one estimate, the Vote for Change tour — with Bruce Springsteen, Pearl Jam and the Dixie Chicks — could take in up to $44 million, before expenses."

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