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What A Difference Steroids Can Make
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Double D Offline
#1 Posted: Fri, Aug 27 2004, 6:09 PM EST
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http://sports.yahoo.com/oly/track_field/news?slug=ap-trackrun&prov=ap&type=lgns

DD
CWFoster Offline
#2 Posted: Sat, Aug 28 2004, 3:40 AM EST
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the only mention of steroid ("banned substances") I see in the article is a vague reference to a report from her ex-husband. I'd hate to hear what my first wife would say about me!
JonR Offline
#3 Posted: Sat, Aug 28 2004, 8:53 AM EST
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Yo DoubleD:

Excellent post, you are correct Sir !

JonR
Double D Offline
#4 Posted: Sat, Aug 28 2004, 9:10 AM EST
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CWFoster

Her performance dropped off significantly after it was learned that she had ties to BALCO Labs.

More that just a coincidence? I think so.

DD
thurson Offline
#5 Posted: Sat, Aug 28 2004, 9:40 AM EST
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"Her performance dropped off significantly after it was learned that she had ties to BALCO Labs."
Having a baby might have something to do with it. Oh yeah I forgot, guilty until...oops, innocent until PROVEN guilty.
JonR Offline
#6 Posted: Sat, Aug 28 2004, 10:22 AM EST
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barry bonds homerun record, years 1986 to 2003...16,25,24,19,33,25,34,46,37,33,42,40,37,34,49,..."73"...46, and 45.

barry denies taken steroids when he hit the record breaking "73" homeruns, yeah right and say it ain't sosa only used his corked bat once, yeah right. Without drug enhancements jocks of today would be mediocre at best.

JonR
usahog Offline
#7 Posted: Sat, Aug 28 2004, 10:33 AM EST
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"Without drug enhancements jocks of today would be mediocre at best."

I don't think George Forman or Evander Holifield has done drugs to enhance their performance.. George's problem is Age and Evander is the same thing that took down Tyson..

Don King!!!!

Hog
Charlie Offline
#8 Posted: Sat, Aug 28 2004, 12:34 PM EST
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While Bonds is a great player and a great prick at the same time, he has that one year that really stands out and does make one wonder about his ties to Balco and the "wonder" substances! I just hope he does not break Ruth and Aaron's records for total homeruns!

Charlie
looklikell Offline
#9 Posted: Sat, Aug 28 2004, 5:41 PM EST
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What about Mark Mcquires 70 homers do you think he used them?I just think that during that time frame they where using a juiced up ball because...CHICKS(and dudes) DIG THE LONG BALL!!
Double D Offline
#10 Posted: Sun, Aug 29 2004, 3:02 AM EST
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thurson

It is impossible to test for something for which there is no test.

That is the claim to fame of BALCO...designer steroids so new, that there's no current test that would detect them.

To the best of my knowledge, Marion has never denied that she has used performance enhancers...she has merely maintained that she has never tested positive for them.

DD
thurson Offline
#11 Posted: Sun, Aug 29 2004, 8:31 AM EST
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Double D,

I was just offering food for thought. Most of the posts are stating it as though it were fact. As of yet, there has been no proof or admittance of wrongdoing, just a lot of "he said she said".

thurs
thurson Offline
#12 Posted: Sun, Aug 29 2004, 8:35 AM EST
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Charlie said:
"I just hope he does not break Ruth and Aaron's records for total homeruns!"

He will pass Ruth, Aaron too if he plays through 2006.
Double D Offline
#13 Posted: Sun, Aug 29 2004, 1:52 PM EST
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thurson

It's called circumstantial evidence.

Sure, there is no direct proof (i.e., positive test), because of the reasons I mentioned in my previous post.

However, when so many people around her have been linked, including her husband, it raises serious questions, especially since she has never denied using them.

If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, chances are pretty good that it is a duck!!

DD
Charlie Offline
#14 Posted: Sun, Aug 29 2004, 3:38 PM EST
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Mark McGwire was a power hitter from day 1 in MLB, hitting home runs that carried 500 feet and he never needed steriods, so when confronted with the issue of creiteen he quit using it and continued to hit the long ball, he had serious injury problems that plagued him throughout his career, much like Mantle, and that is what prevented him from breaking Aaron's record, as he did not need steriods to hoist his power!

Charlie
uncleb Offline
#15 Posted: Mon, Aug 30 2004, 11:08 AM EST
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I am not a fan of Bonds but one of the reasons that his home run total dropped after his 73 HR season is that his intentional walks doubled from the mid to low 30's to the high 60's. He was also pitched around much more after the 73 HR's.

An argument that he might have started taking PID's is from 1990 to 2000 his slugging % was in the mid 500's to the mid 600's. Then his slugging % jumped to 863 in 2001, 799 2002, 749 2003.

On the other side, if he stopped taking them you would expect his slugging % to drop. This year his slugging % is 822. He only has 38 HR's but he has been walked 183 times of which around 80 have been intentional.

Make your own conclusions.
bassdude Offline
#16 Posted: Mon, Aug 30 2004, 11:56 AM EST
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Mark Mcquire was taking andro and had no problem admitting it. Andro is OTC stuff and not banned by baseball.
uncleb Offline
#17 Posted: Mon, Aug 30 2004, 1:21 PM EST
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I beleive Andro is now banned by baseball but was not when McGwire was using it.
BeatDragon Offline
#18 Posted: Tue, Aug 31 2004, 7:28 AM EST
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Here we go again...

OK guys, one more time...

Steroids have NOTHING, zero, nada, zilch to do with BB's hitting ability. Pitch recognition, hand speed and control, weight distribution and patience are what make Barry Bonds the most dangerous hitter EVER! And even if he IS taking them, it would only add distance not ability. I get the pleasure of watching him daily. He does things that even his contemporaries are in awe of. Even Henry Aaron, on natioanl TV stated that Barry Bonds is AMAZING, he touted his hitting attributes, not how far he can hit um. His pitch recognition, patience, hand speed etc etc. Barry is NOT a home run hitter, he is hitter PERIOD. (He is about to win ANOTHER batting title, so I guess steroids make you hit for a higher average too) He gets 5 pitches to hit in a 3 game series and hits 3 of them out of the yard...It isnt that easy guys!!! Check out the strike out ratio...UNCANNY. What role do steriods play in that?? How about his keen bating eye?? Steroids again?? No thats cuz ALL the umpires give him the pitches, right?? WRONG!!! Is batting eye IS THAT GOOD! How many of you here on c-bid have stood in a batter box against major league quality pitching? How many of you have played passed little league? You guys have no freaking clue how good he is. Instead of listening to pissy sports writters whine because he doesnt play their little game and WATCH the man play. Its a shame because you are missing the greatest hitter of all time.
rasdas Offline
#19 Posted: Tue, Aug 31 2004, 7:37 AM EST
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I was going to write something yesterday...but BD chimed in...

In the case of baseball (and more specifically hitting HR's)...its hard to make a case for steroids...it all has to do with timing and putting the right part of the bat on the ball...if you are off even a couple of hairs...well, that is the diference between a HR and a pop-up...

I hate Bonds...he has done much damage against my Dodgers...but he still deserves some credit...

RasDas

Joe
Charlie Offline
#20 Posted: Tue, Aug 31 2004, 8:31 AM EST
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OK guys, never said that Bonds doesn't have the quickest bat in baseball, and the hand eye coordination of a great hitter! I only commented on his sudden home run hitting skills! I know he is great, as he does, and I still dislike him! That is what sports is all about likes and dislikes, winning and losing, sportsmanship and whining, entertainment and competition!
Bonds is one of the best ever, but he still is no Babe Ruth!

Charlie
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