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usahog Offline
#1 Posted: Sun, Sep 5 2004, 3:48 PM EST
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http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/9/5/132437.shtml

Brinkley: Navy Probe Could Doom Kerry Campaign

Sen. John Kerry's campaign biographer Douglas Brinkley said Sunday that if an ongoing Navy investigation into Kerry's military decorations turns up evidence of "purposeful" deception, it could spell doom for the top Democrat's White House bid.

Praising reporter Thomas Lipscomb, who broke news of the Navy investigation on Friday, Brinkley told WABC Radio's Steve Malzberg, "Journalists are going to have to see whether there's a discrepancy on [the citations posted to Kerry's] Web site - whether there's something wrong that's said there or not."

"If so," said the "Tour of Duty" author, "Kerry would have to fix it immediately - and it does raise some questions as to why that would happen."

"Is it sloppiness, is it purposeful intent, is there an easy explanation for it?" Brinkley wondered.

He said that while questions raised by the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth about Kerry's war record have been very damaging, "so far they haven't been lethal." But Brinkley predicted that a discrepancy with Kerry's medals could seriously escalate his political problems.

Asked if inconsistencies uncovered by the Navy probe could be the "death knell" for Kerry's campaign, Brinkley told Malzberg, "It could."

In the next breath he hastened to add, however: "Right now it's unclear. So we have to just wait to see what all this adds up to."

The presidential historian called on Kerry to authorize the release of his full military file, saying, "Clearly some of these military records should be made available to the press."

Hog
Charlie Offline
#2 Posted: Sun, Sep 5 2004, 3:55 PM EST
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LMAO as the heat is on the good Senator and he caused it himself by whining and mewling about the Swift Boat Veterans!

As Bob Dole (WW II decorated hero) said, "You should not run on your decorations"! But that is about all he has to run on, except the billions of dollars of Theresa!

Charlie
usahog Offline
#3 Posted: Sun, Sep 5 2004, 4:00 PM EST
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the Democratic Party and the Unions have dumped Millions investing in a (L)oser....

my question is... they had to have seen this?? Why did they keep pushing Kerry??? they had others... even screaming Dean would have had a better background then Kerry... A Man so stuck on himself he doesn't even know what American is...

Hog
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#4 Posted: Sun, Sep 5 2004, 6:30 PM EST
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the question is how did the us navy get turned out by the administration to launch a full scale attack against kerry and why didn't the air force launch a full scale attack to determine where the sob, awol president was when he was lost in texas or alabama, or wherever he was hiding.

i suspected this was going to by a dirty campaign, but not a filthy one.

why have you zealots concluded that the investigation into kerry's war records will turn up something negative? is he guilty already of deception while your moron in shining halo bs's you as he looks into your eyes and steals your constitution.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#5 Posted: Sun, Sep 5 2004, 6:31 PM EST
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charlie

stick to something you know a little about, old movies. this real life stuff tends to confuse you.
MACS Offline
#6 Posted: Sun, Sep 5 2004, 7:09 PM EST
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Wow... I hadn't read one of Rick's posts in a while... I take back everything I said Hog!!

I actually found this political post amusing, thanks to Rick. :-)
Sylance Offline
#7 Posted: Sun, Sep 5 2004, 7:10 PM EST
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Quote from Rick,

"why have you zealots concluded that the investigation into kerry's war records will turn up something negative?"

But it's okay for you to say Bush was AWOL, even though it hasn't been proven? Swallow your own damn medicine...
usahog Offline
#8 Posted: Sun, Sep 5 2004, 8:39 PM EST
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"i suspected this was going to by a dirty campaign, but not a filthy one."

LMAO!!!! I knew when a Democrat was running for office this was going to be filthy... remember all the slants... Bush stole the election (2001 to present) Gore really one... it is not hard to find all the FILTHY slander aimed at Bush all these YEARS... and now.. Rick to answer your first and original question...

While Kerry was making his bid for President some 30+ yrs ago.. he seemed to piss on every Veteran along the way AFTER his return home from such a LONG War he "The Hero" scratch that HE "THE ONLY HERO IN HIS MIND" said things about his fellow Vietnam Veterans.. and he Did things against this Land that burned in many's heart like a hot dagger for yrs... when these 250 plus Veterans came forward after Kerry announced his Bid for Commander and Chief... their questions became relevent questions to look into... it wasn't the Swifties who called attention to Kerry's Medals and Awards as much as it was Kerry who while Campaigning was preaching/speeching check my website I am not affraid to show my Military background I am proud of it as matter fact... SO some knowledgable individuals did as he had boasted... they Checked his website and his "Forged Military records came into question...

Thus By His Own Hands the Arrogant Bastage has brought his OWN Failure upon himself...

and now your typical (as not expected) reply is... What about Bush... what about this or that... a typical left sliding reply.. trying to divert the inevitable Factual Thread or evidences away from what is happening here...

when in all actuality this is a Kerry F*(Ked Himself Thread.... and what goes around comes around... this time he's taking the Dems with him...

he's lucky he's not swimmin with the fishis!!!! but wait it still early and Ted knows all about fishin in the Chappaquiddick....

one more thing Rick.... You Gotta Roll With It Baby!!!! LMAO!!!!

Hog

JonR Offline
#9 Posted: Sun, Sep 5 2004, 9:52 PM EST
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....RICK IS BACK AND C-BIDS GOT HIM...

Not only did Rick say he would never again reply to a political post but he would also refrain from name calling, yeah right.

Hell, Rick, you are a man (I use the term man loosely)of your word, yeah right.

Lets all resort to name calling (like Rick) that way no facts are actually needed. I'll start, hmmm okay, the real reason john kerry flip-flops is because he is a hermaphrodite.

JonR

RICKAMAVEN Offline
#10 Posted: Sun, Sep 5 2004, 10:34 PM EST
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Sylance

there is so much evidence that bush was nowhere to be found you can at least doubt his honesty or at least look into it more and see what you can find out for yourself.. perhaps it's all rumors, perhaps it's not. there doesn't seem to be any evidence to support hi being where he was supossed to be and there is no one that has come forward and said he was seen on the base. on the contrary many military personal have said they never saw him.

nothing in kerry's past has ever pointed to him being dishonest about his military career. the bush campaign is looking for any dirt they can find instead of promoting their own ideas. perhaps they don't have any.

this country has gone in the dumper in the last three years and i'll bet it is all clinton's fault, or maybe ike. no ike was a republican, so it can't be him. must be jimmy carter.

"just a teaspon of sugar, makes the medicine go down."

do you have diabetes?
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#11 Posted: Sun, Sep 5 2004, 10:56 PM EST
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usahog

"it wasn't the Swifties who called attention to Kerry's Medals and Awards as much as it was Kerry who while Campaigning was preaching/speeching check my website I am not affraid to show my Military background I am proud of it as matter fact... SO some knowledgable individuals did as he had boasted... they Checked his website and his "Forged Military records came into question..."

sorry about that, but only the sec of navy serving under the auspices of the president can have a formal inquiry into military records of a former navel officer.

with that said, you have already concluded based on your own, what, instinct, specific knowledge of an event, what makes you conclude he is guilty of dasterly deeds before the inquiry has started. if you don't like him, so what, he is still only being investigated, perhaps. i have not heard anything official about an investigation.

when he came back and spoke against the war, he never blamed any military men, he blamed the big guys, like mcnamara, who has already admited he made terrible mistakes in judgement that led to the chaos.

kerry also said, back then, that the repors about all the bad **** going on came from other gi's. he had no personal knowledge of the events. that of course has been slanted by the right wing press, and fox, fair and agendaized. (is that a word? "that"is, but i don't know about "agendaized." should be a word though.)

now what the hell does drunken kennedy have to do with kerry. nothing other then the lumping of any "liberal" with any other democrat not liked by whoever is posting.

do you remember your hero newt, who is touting w?

a few words about his family values and a little quote from his first wife:
"He walked out in the spring of 1980.... By September, I went into the hospital for my third surgery. The two girls came to see me, and said, "Daddy is downstairs. Could he come up?" When he got there, he wanted to discuss the terms of the divorce while I was recovering from my surgery." - Jackie, his first wife.

Dead-Beat Dad:
The hospital visit wasn't the end of it, either. Jackie had to take Newt to court to get him to contribute for bills, as utilities were about to be cut off.

"contract with america" my ass. so don't tell me who, when i tell you what.


RICKAMAVEN Offline
#12 Posted: Sun, Sep 5 2004, 10:58 PM EST
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JonR

i'm between gigs, so i thought i would drop in and say hello. i see you are still fixated by the genitalia are of men.
eleltea Offline
#13 Posted: Mon, Sep 6 2004, 5:03 AM EST
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It was common knowledge among us Navy vets that all swiftboat personnel were notorious liars except for the ones under Kerry's command.
bloody spaniard Offline
#14 Posted: Mon, Sep 6 2004, 5:32 AM EST
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This Navy probe won't doom Kerry.
IMO, it will be another expensive, inconclusive, wild-goose chase.

Kerry is probably happy that the country's wasting its time on his fake Vietnam record.
Otherwise, he would be grilled on his voting record.

Either way, FIRE the oilygarch, Bush & HIRE the oligarch, Kerry.

Stop being kneejerk conservatives & use your heads!!!
There's not a real spit of difference between the two, except that one's a proven mediocrity (at best) in the Presidency AND business world, while the other is a proven mediocrity in Congress with the potential of being a better President.

blood
usahog Offline
#15 Posted: Mon, Sep 6 2004, 6:36 AM EST
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Rick you bybassed this thread all together, it would have given you a bit of insite..
http://www.cigarbid.com/...geDisplay=0000000025753


Hog
usahog Offline
#16 Posted: Mon, Sep 6 2004, 7:44 AM EST
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"sorry about that, but only the sec of navy serving under the auspices of the president can have a formal inquiry into military records of a former navel officer."

Well, because of one of Kerry's citations on his website, supposedly writen and signed by former Sec. of the Navy under Reagan. this investigation is being launched, along with other medals Kerry touts on his website as being falsly displayed. HE Kerry is the Guilty one for this.

"with that said, you have already concluded based on your own, what, instinct, specific knowledge of an event, what makes you conclude he is guilty of dasterly deeds before the inquiry has started. if you don't like him, so what, he is still only being investigated, perhaps. i have not heard anything official about an investigation."

Rick, on another thread here CW and I listed what charges of offence this leads to. tell me how he is going to explain this one away? he is showing off falsfied military documents and falsfied medals on his website and claiming he had earned these during his 4 month stent in vietnam..
Out of his own Mouth you bet your ass I myself claim him GUILTY...

"when he came back and spoke against the war, he never blamed any military men, he blamed the big guys, like mcnamara, who has already admited he made terrible mistakes in judgement that led to the chaos."

BS Rick, he blamed everyone he was with, and every soldier in Vietnam.. read his Book..(the one he tried to buy every copy to) "The New Soldier"

kerry also said, back then, that the repors about all the bad **** going on came from other gi's. he had no personal knowledge of the events. that of course has been slanted by the right wing press, and fox, fair and agendaized. (is that a word? "that"is, but i don't know about "agendaized." should be a word though.)

Not one of those Other GI's signed a statement or swore under oath.. but NOW John Kerry changed his story mid stream... and you wonder why everybody is calling him Flip Flop... LMAO!!! it has all been slanted my John the BaB Tist himself Rick.. and your eating it up hook line and sinker...

"now what the hell does drunken kennedy have to do with kerry. nothing other then the lumping of any "liberal" with any other democrat not liked by whoever is posting."

I just used Kennedy as one of who will be the first to jump ship on Kerry soon after this investigation gets going or Kerry loses the 2004 election by a landslide... I do not dislike Democrats... I think their mis information is a great source of laughter...

do you remember your hero newt, who is touting w?

and Yep I remember Newt.. as far as being my Hero.. no but he also was fun to watch.. getting all fired up and firing up the Dems to boot... he got a little carried away with himself... I don't care about his personal life.. as I do not care about Kerry's previous Marrage nor his Queen he is married to now... I find her funny as a loose cannon fodder...

Hog
niteorday Offline
#17 Posted: Mon, Sep 6 2004, 7:57 AM EST
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I still wonder why talking heads haven't picked up on this story ?
donutboy2000 Offline
#18 Posted: Mon, Sep 6 2004, 9:31 AM EST
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Newsweek poll:

Bush 52%
Kerry 41%

bloody spaniard Offline
#19 Posted: Mon, Sep 6 2004, 10:40 AM EST
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Rickamaven, now I know why you don't bother posting as much...Got better things to do with your time.
Charlie Offline
#20 Posted: Mon, Sep 6 2004, 11:14 AM EST
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Rick needs to go back to his knitting and arts and crafts and leave the political bashing to the folks in the know!!! LMAO, I am trying to stay out of this morass!

Kerry just keeps pulling me back in!!!

Charlie
CWFoster Offline
#21 Posted: Mon, Sep 6 2004, 11:14 AM EST
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"nothing in kerry's past has ever pointed to him being dishonest about his military career. the bush campaign is looking for any dirt they can find instead of promoting their own ideas. perhaps they don't have any."
-Rick, see my thread "Kerry's UCMJ charges

"there is so much evidence that bush was nowhere to be found you can at least doubt his honesty or at least look into it more and see what you can find out for yourself.. perhaps it's all rumors, perhaps it's not. there doesn't seem to be any evidence to support hi being where he was supossed to be and there is no one that has come forward and said he was seen on the base. on the contrary many military personal have said they never saw him."
-Read Hogs reply to you on the other post, with a response from one of Bush's collegues in the ANG. He mentions how sloppy recordkeeping was. at least he doesn't have paperwork saying he was in three places at the same time! Kerry has three different citations for the same medal, that's not acording to Hoyle!

Last thought, when Bush went to Alabama, he was most likely put in charge of a desk. When you were in the military, how much time did YOU spend in the office if you didn't have to? If you didn't go to the office, you didn't see the FNG (the military guys know what this means) that was doing his weekend filling out paperwork. So give it a rest,a nd get off the Democratic party line that has all to do with thirty year old non-issues. What's Kerrys Senate voting record like Rick? What major legislation did Kerry get passed Rick? What appropriations has Kerry approved or voted for to help keep our military well equiped and ready to defend our freedom, and respond to any attacks? How ready, and able was our intelligence apparatus after the first 16 years he spent in the Senate, much of which was spent as a member of the Senate intelligence oversight committee? Huh Rick? Can you tell me THESE things?If you can't, stop being a mindless mouthpiece for the DNC! Think like a Democrat, Zell Miller!

Charlie Offline
#22 Posted: Mon, Sep 6 2004, 11:20 AM EST
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Rick ignores the abscence of the esteemed Senator from 77% of intelligence commmittee meetings over past years and doesn't mind that he missed some important votes during the last year, one to extend the unemployment benefits (failed by one vote-HIS) for the folks that he cares so much about! He is inept, stupid and careless, but I guess in Ricks mind that is better than our President that he dishonors daily!

Charlie
Archimark1 Offline
#23 Posted: Mon, Sep 6 2004, 12:24 PM EST
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--why have you zealots concluded that the investigation into kerry's war records will turn up something negative?--

Wow, there is the pot calling the kettle black. I usually ignore Rick's post because he is such a slavering pinko hippie, but this was ironically funny.

Threadjack off - go back to discussing wether the liar or the simple boy will get elected, like it matters..
Charlie Offline
#24 Posted: Mon, Sep 6 2004, 1:06 PM EST
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It matters a great deal and you should be ashamed to take such a position! I am not a zealot, I served in Vietnam (no hero) and I am not anxios to turn my country over to someone like John Kerry! He flips and flops from day to day at least Bush stays the course!

Charlie
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#25 Posted: Mon, Sep 6 2004, 1:24 PM EST
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usahog

because of my respect for you, i have printed the letter from the retired major and will read it when i am fresh and awake. of course i do have this, my mind is made up, don't confuse me with facts, mind set, but we will see what we will see.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#26 Posted: Mon, Sep 6 2004, 1:39 PM EST
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Archimark1

hello. i don't think we have debated or chated before.

let me see, you start with "slavering pinko hippie."
i think you meant to say a "slathering" pinko hippie, but i'm not sure.

i'm not sure what a slatherer does to make him one, so maybe i do and i am. i know that toby tells me that sometimes i slober, but i don't think that is the same.

if by pinko you mean communist leaning, not true. in case you haven't read all of my posts, i am a RACHMONES CONSERVATIVE.

i also never joined the hippie party, missing out of course on all those deluded chicks that were convinced
that sex should be given to anyone with a beard and a hash pipe. i did loan one of my friends brother, who was a hippie, a very nice convertable plymouth for his use to drive to frisco. he returned it looking like a piece of crap and after he left, all the parking tickets hit me. i did wear a dashike once. does that count?

now it's your turn. tell me about yourself starting with are you a zealot? adlib the rest.
penzt8 Offline
#27 Posted: Mon, Sep 6 2004, 3:01 PM EST
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Ric

Glad to see you back in old form. Give 'em hell. BTW, you smoke any good cigars lately?
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#28 Posted: Mon, Sep 6 2004, 5:56 PM EST
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penzt8

yes and thanks for asking.i have two left of a box of three bohemians that i found in a cigar store in chinatown in vegas. they are all 7 1/2 X 56, a least the two that are left. the one i smoked is about the size of half a cup of ashes. they come with a neck strap, much like a saxephone player uses. i don,t know the sub species of bohemians they are, but the two that are left are a black and a brown.

i also bought all the rollys that were left in town for 51 cents each in bundles of 25. they are 6 X 54 and rather loosly packed. if you light them really well, you will be done with the cigar before the match goes out.

as my more descriptive botl indicate, the start and finish are close together and there is a taste of burning lips as the smoke reaches your mouth after the ash has consumed your mustache.

i enjoyed several cubanidads, and a few monte #5's.

remember, cigars, they are not just for breakfast any more.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#29 Posted: Mon, Sep 6 2004, 6:01 PM EST
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usahog

i just finished reading the results of cartman's anal probe. no lesions were found.

i have several photographs of my colonoscopy taken with a camera atached to the probe. i never even had a chance to smile or say cheeze and modesty prevent me from posting them.
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