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A LITTLE LIGHT ON THE SUBJECT OF POLLING
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#1 Posted:
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Making call on sham of political polling
Jimmy Breslin September 16, 2004

Anybody who believes these national political polls are giving you facts is a gullible fool.

Any editors of newspapers or television news shows who use poll results as a story are beyond gullible. On behalf of the public they profess to serve, they are indolent salesmen of falsehoods.

This is because these political polls are done by telephone. Land-line telephones, as your house phone is called.

The telephone polls do not include cellular phones. There are almost 169 million cell phones being used in America today - 168,900,019 as of Sept. 15, according to the cell phone institute in Washington.

There is no way to poll cell phone users, so it isn't done.

Not one cell phone user has received a call on their cell phone asking them how they plan to vote as of today.

Out of 168 million, anything can happen. Midway through election night, these stern-faced network announcers suddenly will be frozen white and they have to give a result:

"It appears that the winner of the election tonight is ... Milford J. Schmitt of New Albany, Ind. He presently has 56 percent of the vote, placing him well ahead of John Kerry, George Bush and another newcomer, Gibson D. Mills of Corvallis, Ore. It appears the nation's voting habits have been changed unbeknownst to us. Mr. Schmitt was asked what party he is in. He answered, 'The winning party.'"

Those who have both cell phones and land lines still might have been polled the old way - on their land lines by people making phone calls with scientifically weighted questions and to targeted areas for some big pollster. These results are announced by the pollsters: "CBS-New York Times poll shows George Bush and John Kerry in a statistical dead heat in the presidential race."

Beautiful. There are 169 million phones that they didn't even try. This makes the poll nothing more than a fake and a fraud, a shill and a sham. The big pollster doesn't know what he has. The television and newspaper brilliants put it out like it is a baseball score. Except not one person involved can say that they truly know what they are talking about.

"I don't use telephones anymore because there is no easy way to use them," John Zogby was saying yesterday. It was the 20th anniversary of the start of his polling company. He began with what he calls "blue highway polls," sheriffs' races in Onandaga and Jefferson counties in upstate New York.

"The people who are using telephone surveys are in denial," Zogby was saying. "It is similar to the '30s, when they first started polling by telephones and there were people who laughed at that and said you couldn't trust them because not everybody had a home phone. Now they try not to mention cell phones. They don't look or listen. They go ahead with a method that is old and wrong."

Zogby points out that you don't know in which area code the cell phone user lives. Nor do you know what they do. Beyond that, you miss younger people who live on cell phones. If you do a political poll on land-line phones, you miss those from 18 to 25, and there are figures all over the place that show there are 40 million between the ages of 18 and 29, one in five eligible voters.

And the great page-one presidential polls don't come close to reflecting how these younger voters say they might vote. The majority of them use cell phones and nobody ever asks them anything.

Common sense would say that the majority of the 18 to 25 who do vote would vote for the Democrat. The people who say they want to vote for Bush are generally in the older age brackets, and they don't have as much trouble with the lies told by Bush and his people. The older people also use cell phones much less because they can't hear on the things and when trying to dial a number on these midget instruments they stand there for an hour and get nothing done. The young people on cell phones appear not to be listening and they hear every syllable. They punch out a number without looking.

They are quicker, and probably smarter at this time, and almost doubtlessly more in favor of Kerry than Bush.

Older people complain about Kerry's performance as a candidate. Younger people don't want to get shot at in a war that most believe, and firmly, never should have started because it was started with a president lying.

Zogby has no opinion because he is a professional figure man and he has no figures he trusts.

"I am making a segue into Internet polling, which is going to be the future," he was saying yesterday. "You use screened e-mails of hundreds of thousands. Every household has some chance of being polled. How can you not do it that way? I have three children. The one in Washington uses only a cell phone. The ones at home use cell phones."

If you want a poll on the Kerry-Bush race, sit down and make up your own. It is just as good as the monstrous frauds presented on television and the newspaper first pages.
JonR Offline
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Who bailed that lush out of the drunk tank?

He is steadfast anti-Bush. Do you think he would write this article if flip/flop kerry was ahead in the polls, yeah right. He most likely crawled back in his bottle by now, I hope he didn't throw away the paper bag as he will need it to write his next piece of crap.

JonR
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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JonR

DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHO JIMMY BRESLIN IS?
HockeyDad Offline
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This just in to the news desk.....



GALLUP NEWS SERVICE

PRINCETON, NJ -- In a new Gallup Poll, conducted Sept. 13-15, President George W. Bush leads Democratic candidate John Kerry by 55% to 42% among likely voters, and by 52% to 44% among registered voters. These figures represent a significant improvement for Bush since just before the beginning of the Republican National Convention.

In the immediate aftermath of that convention, a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll showed Bush receiving a modest bounce from his standing before the convention. Among likely voters, Bush's support was up two points and Kerry's was down two points. Among the larger sample of registered voters, Bush's support was up two points, while Kerry's was unchanged.

The bounce was small, whether measured among the likely or the registered voter groups, so that it was well within the margin of error of the post-convention poll. Given the sample sizes of the two groups, one could not say with 95% certainty that Bush's support had actually increased.

Now, in the new poll, the figures show Bush with a 13-point lead over Kerry among likely voters and an 8-point lead among registered voters. Both sets of figures represent significant increases in Bush's standing in the race since just before the beginning of the Republican convention in late August, when likely voters chose Bush over Kerry by a slight three-point margin (50% to 47%), and registered voters leaned toward Kerry by an even smaller margin of one point (48% to 47%).
THL Offline
#5 Posted:
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I seem to recall Bush1 and Dole supporters saying this a while back.
eleltea Offline
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Why do they always poll Gallup, NM? Why don't they ever poll Cincinnati or Pismo Beach?
penzt8 Offline
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I received one of those telephone poll calls a couple nights ago and promptly hung up. So you've got that factor too. You only get the results of the people who want to be polled.

In the past I've answered pollster questions. The first thing you need to ask when being polled is what organization they are from and whether they are being sponsored by a political party. It's very easy to word questions to get the outcome that you desire.

Here's a scenario and how it affects polling.

Answer the phone:

Good morning sir, I'm conducting a political poll, may I have a moment of your time?

Sure. I was just sitting here having my coffee. fire away.

Sir, are you a registered voter?

Yes, I am.

Sir, do you plan to vote in the upcoming election?

Yes, I do

Please answer the following questions with a number between 1 and 10. 10 meaning you strongly agree with the statement and 1 meaning you disagree with the statement.


Sir, do you agree the President is responsible for the deaths of the 1000 plus military personnel in Iraq and that he took this country to war unecessarily?

I would say 1 that I disagree

Well then sir, If there was positive proof that the president lied to the American public about weapons of mass destruction would you agree that he should not be re-elected?

OK, I'll have to answer 10 to that one. but I'm not liking the tone of these questions. Are you sure this is an unbiased opinion poll?

Last question sir. People close to the president have accused the president of using cocaine and marijuana and he also has a problem with alcohol. Sir, would you agree that there is no way that a coke snorting, dope smoking alcoholic should be elected president?

Well gee, I guess I'd have to agree with that. I'll say 10.


Next day headlines:

Poll shows: Bush Drug Use, Major Concern to Voters

Polling IMO is more of a pseudo science than a real science.
JonR Offline
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Yo Rick:

I got your jimmy breslin hanging:

NEWSDAY SAYS BRESLIN COLUMN NOT ''ACCURATE AND PRECISE''

FAILED TO MEET NEWSPAPER'S STANDARDS

Breslin Column Quotes Were "Incorrect and Not Sheldon's Precise Words"

New York, NY - An "Editor's Note" in today's edition of Newsday concludes that liberal columnist Jimmy Breslin's column attacking Traditional Values Coalition chairman Rev. Louis P. Sheldon "did not adhere to Newsday's standard of publishing only direct quotations that are accurate and precise."

"The result is that the quotes attributed to Sheldon in the April 7 column were incorrect and not Sheldon's precise words," the article said.

Asked whether Breslin would face sanctions, Les Payne, editor of the newspaper's New York edition, told the Associated Press Thursday, "Obviously, whatever action is taken, we keep it in house. ... He made a mistake and he admits that... Jimmy was intoxicated when he wrote that article.

"I am pleased to see the editor of Newsday reasserting what I had thought was the standard - only words which actually come from someone's mouth may be used as a direct quotation punctuated by quotation marks," Rev. Sheldon said today.

"I hope that, in the future, Mr. Breslin will place a greater emphasis on a sober accurate reporting. Perhaps some of the passion he demonstrates in attacking Christian religious leaders could be directed more constructively to that goal."

NewsDay
Editor's note
http://www.newsday.com/mynews/ny-read153758459apr15,0,3779209,print.story

April 15, 2004

A Jimmy Breslin column published April 7 in the New York City edition of Newsday included direct quotations attributed to the Rev. Lou Sheldon describing his views on homosexuality. In response to the column, Sheldon, the chairman of the conservative lobbying group Traditional Values Coalition, said in a telegram to Newsday: "I do not recall ever meeting or being interviewed by Mr. Breslin. I have never made statements like these to Mr. Breslin or anyone else."

Breslin said he interviewed Sheldon on the floor of the 1992 Republican National Convention in Houston and wrote a column about the encounter that was published in Newsday on Aug. 18, 1992. The column did not include the comments attributed to Sheldon in the April 7, 2004, column. The day after the 1992 column, The Orange County Register published a story quoting Sheldon as dismissing Breslin's column as "sour grapes." In the Register's article and in conversations with reporters who covered the story at the time, Sheldon did not deny meeting Breslin or disavow the quotes attributed to him. Sheldon has said he attended that GOP convention.

Breslin said Sheldon's quotes in his April 7, 2004, column were drawn from a broader interview with Sheldon at their 1992 meeting. Breslin said he used excerpts from that interview in a column published in Newsday on Aug. 29, 1995. In that column, Breslin quoted from the interview but did not name Sheldon. Breslin does not remember if he referred to notes from the original interview for that column. Breslin said he erred in not referring to the 1995 column before writing his April 7, 2004, column. Instead, he drew the quotes from memory. The result is that the quotes attributed to Sheldon in the April 7 column were incorrect and not Sheldon's precise words. Breslin maintains, however, that they were an accurate reflection of the essence of the reverend's views on homosexuality in the 1992 interview.

The April 7 Breslin column should have indicated that it was based on a conversation that took place in 1992. And the column did not adhere to Newsday's standard of publishing only direct quotations that are accurate and precise.

Yo Rick:

So much for your drunken liar idol.

LMAO

JonR
drjothen Offline
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Ah the lure of the printed word and someone's opinion.

As a holder of a BS in Journalism from one of the top 3 schools in the country and a Masters in Communication, it still just amazes me how people will believe whatever is written!

I was involved in much polling during my college days and all I can tell you is that it was painfull to all whom were polled! ;)

DRJ
sketcha Offline
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I prefer to do my polling in the dark. I'm a bit shy and I need to lose a couple a' pounds.
nfldraftman Offline
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I have a BS in journalism, and live in Cincinnati and I never get poled, as I am a straight male and stick to doing the poling.
drjothen Offline
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LOL at NFL.

It is actually an old radio gag where they state "We polled 100 of our listeners, and you know how painful that can be"

DRJ
osage Offline
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Gee Rick, where is your comeback to this?
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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usahog

to what? to who?
usahog Offline
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"usahog to what? to who?"

Huh?? Your Meds kicking in again Rick??

Hog
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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osage

to what? to who?

SORRY ABOUT THAT.
eleltea Offline
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Lyndon Baines Johnson aked Robb what the problem was after Lynda Byrd complained of a lack of polling on their honeymoon. Robb replied that had he known there was such a big split in the Democratic Party he would have registered Republican.
grond Offline
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Rick,

how 'bout responding to JonR's little article on the drunken sailor... Jimmy Breslin.

Inquiring minds want to know.....
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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grond

because it has nothing to do with breslin's ideas in the original post i copyed and pasted.
Charlie Offline
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Breslin is one of Ricks favorite liberal crybabies! Nice long cut and paste Rickie!

Charlie
JonR Offline
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Yo Rick:

Your statement:

"JonR

DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHO JIMMY BRESLIN IS?"


My reply was my answer to your question, jimmy bresin is a lying, drunken, over the hill piece of crap. Anything he writes is pure fiction coming from a whiskey soaked pea brain.

JonR
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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JonR

so you don't know squat about breslin.
Charlie Offline
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Sounds to me that JonR knows Breslin better than Rick does!

Charlie
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