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decasere_CW Offline
#1 Posted: Fri, Mar 22 2002, 7:20 AM EST
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but not for abortions for underage girls, what a country we live in where life is thrown away like some dirty piece of trash, this is what angers me about america!!
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#2 Posted: Fri, Mar 22 2002, 9:35 AM EST
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decasere: Statistically speaking of course, from this post, it would appear to me that you're opting to vote to give money to those persons you have classified as lazy and 'working the system' to sit at home all day, drink beer, and harass you on the CBid forum as they have nothing better to do with their lives. Hmm... well I'll be damned ... aren't you just the fickle one today .... LOL
calavera Offline
#3 Posted: Fri, Mar 22 2002, 10:11 AM EST
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I don't care how old a woman is, it is her right to not have to carry and have a child if she does not want to. If a twelve year old gets pregnant and decides to have an abortion, then she should be able to legally and safely obtain one. I wonder, is it better for someone who is not able to care for and love and support a child to have an abortion than for them to have a child that will not be loved, looked after and fed? Damn right it is! Is it okay for someone to think that abortion is wrong? Sure. But is it okay to think that your views on abortion should be the views of every one else? No! All these right to life freaks who insist on imposing their views on other people make me disgusted. It is no one's business, other than the individual, as to whether or not someone should get an abortion. Does the father have any rights? No. He is not carrying the fetus in his body, it is not his decision.
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#4 Posted: Fri, Mar 22 2002, 10:25 AM EST
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calavera: By chance did your girlfriend's parents not let her have an abortion and now you have to pay child support? Don't sugar-coat anything in this forum ... feel free to tell us how you really feel ...
JBG Offline
#5 Posted: Fri, Mar 22 2002, 10:49 AM EST
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...while we are at it, lets establish a grace period of say...one week? If said 12 year old tries to care for the child and finds it too much trouble, (cutting into her dance classes and time spent on the phone and at the mall and all) lets say she can have the baby put to sleep within the first week of birth. After all, better to murder the little **** early on than for him to grow up unloved, right?
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#6 Posted: Fri, Mar 22 2002, 12:08 PM EST
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HHmm... you know what I think would be a great idea? Well, it's rough at the edges right now, but I can allocate some time this weekend to think out the variables ... anyway - let's say ... the government will pay for any and all abortions that any woman wanted under any and all circumstances .... providing ... she would have to sign a contract to the effect of her acceptance and acknowledgment that at the same time of the abortion she would also be permanently sterilized. Additionally, we could round up all the dead-beat dads out there in society today and chemically castrate them along with the pedophiles and half of the Catholic priesthood. Hey, wow, am I on a roll today ... listen to this ... what do you say we all sponsor the establishment of local neighborhood crack/dope friendly apartment complexes (at least 500 feet away from a school zone or churches of course) and ... once a week ... (twice if it's popular enough and get's good ratings) we'll air on television a new sitcom with a name of ... hmm... "Crack Attack" ... well ... this is how it goes ... the apartment complex has 20 units total, completely furnished, maintained, rent & utility free to anyone who has a drug addiction. We'll also provide free booze and cigarettes While inside the complex, the tenants cannot be arrested or held liable for posession of or the illicit use of any drug or controlled substance. For the show, and in order for them to receive any drugs to support their habit (also free of charge), they have to all gather at a large table simultaneously and choose individually what specific drug they want a hit of ... (this is the kicker) ... they have to use the drug at the table and only at the table ... and ONE of the hits of the drug of choice (randomly selected) will be lethal to the individual that takes it ... we could also have contests to see who would get to be the next tenant at the complex.
calavera Offline
#7 Posted: Fri, Mar 22 2002, 1:32 PM EST
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Jimmy: no man, I don't have any kids. I just got worked up a little on the abortion issue and decided to vent a little. Crack Attack- now that is a killer idea, almost fell on the floor laughing when I read that one!
Todog Offline
#8 Posted: Fri, Mar 22 2002, 2:00 PM EST
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I have a tattoo in a very private area! At first it reads with the letters OK but when I get excited, it reads OKLAHOMA! My wife gave me permission! John
xrundog Offline
#9 Posted: Fri, Mar 22 2002, 5:48 PM EST
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Jimmy, I'd laugh at Crack Attack if I didn't expect to see it on FOX in the next ten years. People will be lining up around the block to be on that one. That is unless someone wises up and legalizes drugs. Lastly, as a guy with 3 daughters, I would like to recieve a phone call before the tattoo or the abortion. Hopefully, it wouldn't be needed because my kids would talk to me about it first.
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#10 Posted: Fri, Mar 22 2002, 5:53 PM EST
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xrundog: ... and your telephone number is ???
xrundog Offline
#11 Posted: Fri, Mar 22 2002, 7:58 PM EST
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Are you getting the tattoo or an abortion? I thought you were a guy! Goes to show you can't tell by a screen name.
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#12 Posted: Sat, Mar 23 2002, 5:04 AM EST
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xrundog: Oh .. not for me ... I'm just paying for it ...
tailgater Offline
#13 Posted: Sat, Mar 23 2002, 8:48 AM EST
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Calavera: since when can a 12 year old girl make decisions on life and death? The kid can't skip school on her own, but you want to allow her to have a medical procedure performed on her? She can't drink alcohol, buy cigarettes, drive a car, or get a tooth pulled, but you want her to be allowed to have an invasive, life ending and potentially dangerous procedure at her own will and with no parental consent? You are truly off your rocker.
tailgater Offline
#14 Posted: Sat, Mar 23 2002, 8:55 AM EST
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Let's face it, Abortion is the killing of a life. That's not a religious view, that's science. If a pregnant woman does NOTHING, a person will be born. On the other hand, if she goes full term, delivers the baby and THEN does nothing, the baby dies. And she is held responsible. Here's another angle: What if someone attacks a pregnant woman, stabs her in the gut and kills the baby. Is that murder if the mother lives? What if the woman was on her way to an abortion clinic? Choosing life is not like choosing which pair of shoes to wear. At least it shouldn't be...
xrundog Offline
#15 Posted: Sat, Mar 23 2002, 6:33 PM EST
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Sorry Jimmy. I can't joke like that about my kids.
delarob Offline
#16 Posted: Sun, Mar 24 2002, 3:55 AM EST
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I believe if it's not your daughter, or your child, mind your own goddamn business. If you have your house in order, and you live without sin, wonderful. Give yourself a pat on the back. However, that does not give you the authority to tell me how I must live, or to tell me or anyone else what is right and wrong.
calavera Offline
#17 Posted: Sun, Mar 24 2002, 3:59 AM EST
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Tailgater:abortion is the termination of an unwanted pregnancy. The fetus is exactly that- a fetus. If it is old enough to survive entirely on its own, that is a different story. I think that it is the decision of the woman whether or not an abortion is right for her. I don't think that it is your decision to make for her whether she is twelve or thirty. One would certainly hope that she would seek advice from others, like her parents.
Charlie Offline
#18 Posted: Sun, Mar 24 2002, 8:21 AM EST
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John (Todog) I laughed my head off at your post, but my private area tatto says Oklahoma is OK by Me! Sorry! Charlie
Charlie Offline
#19 Posted: Sun, Mar 24 2002, 8:23 AM EST
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Wow, this one is heating up and I send out a joke post!!! Sorry for the insensitivity on my part!
Dishman Offline
#20 Posted: Sun, Mar 24 2002, 9:37 AM EST
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After recently becoming a father, I can think of no better gift in life than to be blessed with a child. Mind you this comes from a "hardline bachelor". Our children are our future and should not be referred to as ANYTHING less than human regardless of what stage of developement they are in, in-utero or otherwise.
tailgater Offline
#21 Posted: Sun, Mar 24 2002, 3:45 PM EST
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Calavera: To suggest that since a fetus cannot survive outside the womb on it's own as evidence that it isn't life is simply wrong. An infant can not live without assistance, does that make it less than alive? An abortion is simply a convenience unless it is performed for medical (life threatening) reasons. I don't fault you for being "pro choice". Many people that I know and respect are. But don't hide behind the "choice" word. If you have the conviction then call it what it is: Murder.
JonR Offline
#22 Posted: Sun, Mar 24 2002, 4:01 PM EST
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Tailgator, how about rape and incest?
tailgater Offline
#23 Posted: Sun, Mar 24 2002, 4:27 PM EST
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Was that a proposition? If so, no thank you...
tailgater Offline
#24 Posted: Sun, Mar 24 2002, 4:38 PM EST
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To be fair, I'll answer that also. Conception is a very complicated task (for something so simple). Not only does the timing have to be right, but the woman has to be in the proper "chemistry". High stress levels screw up the pH levels and make it extremely difficult for those swimmers to do their job. In other words, rape almost never results in pregnancy. But in those statistically insignificant circustances I would be in favor of aborting the life.
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#25 Posted: Mon, Mar 25 2002, 3:40 AM EST
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Go hither and conceptualize thyself .. need ye not for a woman, thy own hands shall bring forth the seed of life ...
decasere_CW Offline
#26 Posted: Mon, Mar 25 2002, 5:50 AM EST
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actually, i am speking about the state of people in this country, more parents are concerned about ink on the skin, then life in the belly, its ok to kill living babies in the womb ( no i did not say fetus's because that is a term used to dumb down our senses) without even thinking of letting a minor's, who cant even think clearly yet, parent know. Abortion is murder, there is no other way to say it, life begins at conception, not at birth. by the way it is also ok to kill unborn babies, but dont you dare hunt that deer that is overruning our state lands or dont you dare shake that Canada Goose egg. the 7 million we have here isnt enough.
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#27 Posted: Mon, Mar 25 2002, 10:46 AM EST
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decasere: Hypothetically speaking of course, if I were to draw upon all of your views regarding right to life and anti-abortion beliefs, I'd have to believe that that I've committed murder every time I've used a condom in the 18 years of my tender life ... not to even mention the multitude of crimes I committed once I reached puberty and up to the point of losing my virginity ....
calavera Offline
#28 Posted: Mon, Mar 25 2002, 5:03 PM EST
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Decasere: From the leading text on human anatomy, Fundamentals of Anatomy and Physiology (3rd edition) by Frederic Martini: "embryo-developmental stage beginning at fertilization and ending at the start of the third developmental month." "fetus-developmental stage lasting from the start of the third developmental month to delivery." So I guess you were right, calling it a fetus is just clouding the issue because technically it is not a fetus until it is three months old. If you don't like the term fetus, however, we can go with one of the leading texts on embryology, An Introduction to Embryology (5th edition) by Dr. B.I. Balinsky "The term 'embryo' denotes the juvenile stage of an animal...in the maternal body." Using the term murder in regards to abortion is merely an attempt to introduce emotion into the issue in order to confuse those who are swayed by such things. And again, I would like to make it clear that I would not encourage everyone to run out and get an abortion. If you do not think that it is right, then do not do it. However, if you do not think that it is right, you have no right to force your opinion on someone else, or to attempt to prevent them from obtaining an abortion.
tailgater Offline
#29 Posted: Mon, Mar 25 2002, 6:35 PM EST
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Cal: Thanks for the biology lession. Now that you are resident expert on how babies are made, answer me this simple question: At what moment does your "fetus" become a "baby"? If you say "at birth" then what about premature babies? Or what about the day before delivery? If you choose a time frame like "3 months", how do you determine the exact moment? What happens at 2 months and 29 days? I'm not a religious zealot that shuns contraception, and I'm not against post intercourse methods such as RU486 (when used properly). I am simply against the murder of unborn children for convenience. And I have been since the day I saw the ultrasound photos of my oldest daughter. At 10 weeks. She's real, but according you she was not a person. We simply could not differ more on this subject.
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#30 Posted: Mon, Mar 25 2002, 8:52 PM EST
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Not to sound like Johnnie Cochran, but isn't adoption a more worthwhile option?
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#31 Posted: Tue, Mar 26 2002, 3:41 AM EST
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... who in their right (or left) mind would want to adopt Johnnie Cochran ?
decasere_CW Offline
#32 Posted: Tue, Mar 26 2002, 11:20 AM EST
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no, i'm syaing that conception is the point at which the sperm fertilizes the egg, at that point it ceases to be just a cell and becomes a new life, weather or not the baby can think or act yet is not important, if people did not believe this then why is there laws that you can not take a fertized egg away from a Canada goose, because that is considered to be a baby goose, sounds like a contrdiction doesn't it...
decasere_CW Offline
#33 Posted: Tue, Mar 26 2002, 11:22 AM EST
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sorry to post twice, but adoption is a much better alternative, and i do not use the term murder to elicit an emotional response i use it to be correct!
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#34 Posted: Tue, Mar 26 2002, 1:46 PM EST
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decasere: Speaking of adoption, have you ever found your parents?
decasere_CW Offline
#35 Posted: Tue, Mar 26 2002, 4:20 PM EST
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actually, my male parent is a alcholic/heorin addict if you must know, i dont like to call himfather, as he never was one, ah but why would you care?
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#36 Posted: Tue, Mar 26 2002, 5:18 PM EST
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Damn - I was trying to punt with a joke, now I suppose I owe you an apology and two cigars .... they're still a little to moist right now though ... should be primed and ready to go about 1 May ....
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