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E-Chick Offline
#1 Posted: Tue, Oct 12 2004, 6:25 AM EST
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...and why...

I'm looking for a "new" used one for our son.

Marla
Homebrew Offline
#2 Posted: Tue, Oct 12 2004, 6:52 AM EST
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I have had less trouble from my chevy, than most of my Fords. I find that the parts prices are much lower than Ford or Dodge parts. I have the v6 in a Full Sized 1500 series Chevy 1997. Good power, and fuel economy around 19 mpg. My 95 F150 gets between 12-15 mpg, with it's 302 v8, and costs an arm and a leg to work on. The chevy doesn't wear out front end parts like my ford does. My steering started getting sloppy at about 60K miles. My Chevy does not have any slack in the steering, at 143k miles.
As far as a dependable vehicle, to put your son in, and be safe, I recomend a full sized Chevy over ford any day. I also recomend the full sized version over the s-10, though the drive train is almost identical, if you take the v6 option on the s-10. There is very little by way of mileage increase, with the drop in size, about 1-2 mpg.
Hope this helps,
though I am prepared for the onslaught from all the Ford lovers, me and my chevy are up to the task.
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
SteveS Offline
#3 Posted: Tue, Oct 12 2004, 6:54 AM EST
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My gosh, e- ... your son is old enough to DRIVE already??? ... time sure does have a way of flying by!!

I can't speak from personal experience about Ford or Chevy (and why not Dodge?) since I got a 'new-used' Toyota p/u for my youngest son when he reached that age ... it performed well and held value nicely ...
bassdude Offline
#4 Posted: Tue, Oct 12 2004, 7:03 AM EST
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Can't help with newer trucks. But my 1960 still runs great.

As far as engines in general I prefer a Ford product. They last longer(I have 256,000 miles on an Escort) without needing major repair. The few Chevies I have owned were consistently in need of repair. My in-laws swear by GM and they spend quite some time in the shop even with new products.
EI Offline
#5 Posted: Tue, Oct 12 2004, 7:07 AM EST
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Ford f250 power stroke diesel.... Nothing more needs to be said
Eats Dodge Hemis and craps Chevy Duramax

Pulls any trailer on the road up hill at 75 to 80 mph at 12 mpgs
And when not towing gets 18 mpg
Homebrew Offline
#6 Posted: Tue, Oct 12 2004, 7:11 AM EST
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Hey BassDude,
If we are talking 1972 and earlier, you got a point.
My 64 Custom, runs like a champ. And my 69 F250, can pull a house down as long as the gumbo mudders can get traction. I have had the opposite experiance with newer ford products. I have already had to put a transmission, and rebuild the engine, on my 95 F150, buy 102K miles. I am at 143K on the chevy, without noticing any power loss, or slipping from the tranny. I have to drive a very steep mountain road, to get to work. It has been known as a tranny killer, by all who drive it. It killed my Fords tranny, but hasn't touched my chevy.
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
Homebrew Offline
#7 Posted: Tue, Oct 12 2004, 7:13 AM EST
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EI,
I think this truck is for her son, so the F250 is not a practical answer, unless he has some major towing to do.
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
EI Offline
#8 Posted: Tue, Oct 12 2004, 7:37 AM EST
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well then just get a used chevy luv mikado and have MTV pimp his ride.(that was a great episode)
Sorry thought we were talking about real trucks
E-Chick Offline
#9 Posted: Tue, Oct 12 2004, 7:50 AM EST
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Yeah, it is for my baby...16 next month!

I didn't want to get specific about the use until I heard some of the comments...

Mike is a Ford man through and through although I do love my Chevrolet!

Kevin will be driving to and from school, but the main uses are for him to work with dad in our commercial refrigeration business. Lots of tools, parts, ladders, refrigerant tanks....and also for hauling a toy box for our ATV's...

Kevin likes the Chevy 2500 duramax...but what does he know? My cousin just picked up that Ford diesel dually that EI is talking about...loves it...seats 6.

I'm so confused...need more input!

Prices???

Marla
E-Chick Offline
#10 Posted: Tue, Oct 12 2004, 7:51 AM EST
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Oh, and neither of us just don't really like the looks of the Dodge.

No other reason...
EI Offline
#11 Posted: Tue, Oct 12 2004, 7:56 AM EST
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well. then E .. for hauling I still suggest the Ford with a power stroke diesel.
If you get the gas 5.4 or the V-10 triton you will get about 6 MPGs when hauling the toybox trailer/
Speaking of which I have one. A four winds 23srvt that is great for hauling the harley for camping trips and to the rallies
bigbike Offline
#12 Posted: Tue, Oct 12 2004, 8:20 AM EST
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I drive a Chevy S-10 pickup with the smallest engine (2.2 liter) and love it. It gets good gas mileage and hauls 1000 pounds with little complaint everytime I have ever asked it to do so. The newer ones (after 98 i believe) do not have the engine problems associated with the earlier 2.2 liter engines. I have had mine for 5 years and have had no trouble with it.
nealep Offline
#13 Posted: Tue, Oct 12 2004, 9:36 AM EST
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I've owned 3 Chevy S-10 versons to date; 2 Blazers and 1 P/U. The first Blazer I had, had the smaller 2.8L V-6 and was underpowered for the vehicle. The engine ended up going south :o( The other 2 had/have (still have a Blazer) the 4.2L V-6 which is a much stronger engine and works great in this truck. I haven't had engine problems with either version (P/U or Blazer), and my Blazer now has 151k on it. The P/U would haul anything that I asked of it for that size truck. I really like this size truck, as it handles easier than a full size truck and gets a bit better gas mileage. However, if you are hawling something serious, you do need a full size vehicle. IMHO, though, I would think that the S-10 would handle the ATV trailer.

Neal
usahog Offline
#14 Posted: Tue, Oct 12 2004, 10:02 AM EST
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FORD,,,FORD,,,FORD,,, did I mention FORD???

LOL looks like some of the guy's covered this one for ya E... and I was going to go with Chevy in 2002 while I was deployed the wife and my mom went truck shopping... well long story short.. I did not end up with a Z-71 4X4

Now you mention...."Kevin will be driving to and from school, but the main uses are for him to work with dad in our commercial refrigeration business. Lots of tools, parts, ladders, refrigerant tanks....and also for hauling a toy box for our ATV's"

This alone I would say the Ford F-250 Powerstroke Diesel EI pointed out...

our F-150 4X4 with the triten 5.4 can do some hauling and has been a damn good truck... but I've been eyeballing the F-250's for other reasons, one of them the hauling capacity... I don't like the looks of the 2004 models though... but you also said a used truck.. I don't think you would go wrong with a Used Ford... chevy I have lost taste for them from viewing them from afar (meaning whats on the road and hauling campers/tool cribs etc...) I see mainly Fords and Dodges doing this work.. and when I do see chevy's hauling they are giving it their all to get on down the highway....

I've pulled U-hauls loaded down with wood up to 1500 bd ft in one haul...I've pulled campers and other trailers with our Ford and there hasn't been anything I wouldn't hook onto, I've got that much faith in the motor and the truck... I've loaded the bed down with tons of crap from firewood to furniture and have never had one complaint...

Go Ford!!!! extended cab,with the Diesil... Kevin can trick it out himself...

Hog

DrMaddVibe Offline
#15 Posted: Tue, Oct 12 2004, 10:52 AM EST
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I traded in my Lincoln Navigator for a '04 F150 Lariat SuperCrew. I needed a pickup...again. I didn't want to compromise on the interior or the engine. If it's just for a kid then you might not need the bells and whistles BUT for resale...you'll be glad you have them vs a stripped down model(...hehe...stripped down model!). I LOVED my Navigator but there are times I'm goin' down the road in my new truck and forget I'm in a truck. It's THAT good!

I'm a Ford truck man
That's what I drive
Don't know no boundries
I don't compromise....

Good enough for Toby...good enough for me!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#16 Posted: Tue, Oct 12 2004, 10:56 AM EST
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I forgot to add that we used to have GM products for our fleet vehicles and have owned multiple Dodge pickups (Dakota and Ram) and went with Ford because I really loved the Lincoln power and tranny. When I started looking for a truck...Ford was top of the list for me and I didn't even look at a Chevy. I always had some problem with the ones that I used to drive. Dodge treated me right and my F-I-L gets a lifetime discount, but been there doen that...I went with what works!

rasdas Offline
#17 Posted: Tue, Oct 12 2004, 11:00 AM EST
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Well...how about throwing in one more truck...GMC....

When i went shopping for a truck in Apr. 2002...i went with a GMC Sierra... i liked it more then the chevy (yes, both are GM products...but no, they are not the same)...and i dont like really like the new Fords...even-though i could have got a killer deal on it...

RasDas

Joe
EI Offline
#18 Posted: Tue, Oct 12 2004, 12:19 PM EST
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GMC Stands for "GotMoneyChevy"

Its just a chevy with a higher price tag

Much like a Navigator is a high priced Expidition
Cliff LaChance Offline
#19 Posted: Tue, Oct 12 2004, 12:39 PM EST
Joined: 09-28-2004
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http://www.mysporttrac.com

Ford Sport Trac. Your son will love you forever for it. It's a real chick magnet. 6 cyl not great on gas but has room for 5 very comfortably and has enough bed space for the small hauling. Check out the website and ask all the questions you want. It's a real tight nit community. Very friendly people much like the ones here.

Cliff
DrMaddVibe Offline
#20 Posted: Tue, Oct 12 2004, 1:18 PM EST
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Its just a chevy with a higher price tag - Yes, they're made in the same plant. Same engine, same tranny.

Much like a Navigator is a high priced Expidition - No. The Nav has an engine that the Expedition doesn't even offer. They're not made in the same plant. They don't even ride the same. Even a fully dressed out Eddie Bauer can't compare to a Navigator in terms of handling, compartment noise or safety! There's nothing comparable to the 2 except that they can hold the same number of people!
xibbumbero Offline
#21 Posted: Tue, Oct 12 2004, 1:19 PM EST
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Have you thought about a Toyota? They happen to be the best rated,the Tacoma as well as the Tundra. X
sketcha Offline
#22 Posted: Tue, Oct 12 2004, 3:29 PM EST
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x, I thought I was going to be the only one to mention that.

If domestic is your only option, go Ford. In general better strength and reliability, a little less comfort.

Toyotas have been great to my family. My father's '84, underpowered 4Runner went 500,000 without any major work. I think he did a timing chain. He had oversized tires and rims on it and we pulled ski boats and other trailers all the time with it.

My wife drives the '96 4Runner. She's got about 133K with no problems. I bought it used for her over Ford or Chevy because I knew it would never fail her and my daughter when they're in the middle of nowhere.

I have a '95 Avalon with about 125K. No problems.

If you want... "no problems" go with Toyota. If you want undersized brakes and rattle boxes, go with Ford or Chevy.

BTW, my father also has a '69 Ford Highboy 4X4. He's had it for about 25 years now. Incredible machine! Not for the timid though. It's a big rig for no power steering and old-school brakes. I learned to drive in that on the ranch and then the road. It's mean! You never feel like you need a seatbelt.
0patience Offline
#23 Posted: Tue, Oct 12 2004, 3:45 PM EST
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E-chick,
As far as maintenance costs, a chevy is cheaper.
As far as reliability, take your pick.
Not alot of difference in the newer trucks.

My boy just got his license in July and we got him a 71 Chevy 3/4 ton. Pretty basic and alot of metal there.
The insurance was pretty reasonable too.

Just my opinion.
eh3856 Offline
#24 Posted: Tue, Oct 12 2004, 4:19 PM EST
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Marla...I have a 98 Chevy Silverado 2500 with 141,000 miles on it that I use every day for driving back and forth to work and I love it. You need to specify if there is a price range in mind because that may narrow it down considerably. Does he want an extended cab or just a regular cab ? 1500 , 2500 , 3500 etc ?...Good luck and happy shopping...Ed
MACS Offline
#25 Posted: Tue, Oct 12 2004, 6:37 PM EST
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*sigh*

My son already has his permit and will get his license in February... he is already talking about customizing MY truck! But, I don't really care... i'll let him have it in February. It's a 1995 Nissan Hardbody. Just a small truck with a 4 banger in it, perfect for him and his mom's nerves. :-)

This way... DAD gets a new car! I don't want another truck. I don't use it for work or play... just to carry stuff when I need to. Now the kid can do that!

By the way... i'd go with the Nissan Titan. Nice truck! Or a Toyota. Me no rikey Amellican cars. (save your rants, you ain't gonna change my mind)
drjothen Offline
#26 Posted: Tue, Oct 12 2004, 7:16 PM EST
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Posts: 319
Chevy!!!

1951 Pickup
2002 Avalanche
2004 Trailblazer
ducati996 Offline
#27 Posted: Wed, Oct 13 2004, 2:07 AM EST
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Buy him a motorcycle....he will get to school faster.
calavera Offline
#28 Posted: Wed, Oct 13 2004, 2:28 AM EST
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The only option to consider is Jeep. Get him a grand cherokee. Anything he needs to haul and tow- it can do. Plus it will last 9,000,000 times longer than ford or chevy.

If you have to go one or the other, beware of 80's and 90's vintage chevy. The tranny is notoriously bad on the 1/4 ton models. I drove a 95 for a year and a half while doing soil sampling. Put 3 new trannys in it. One of them lasted about 225 miles. The GM mechanic swore each time that there was nothing else wrong with the truck causing the tranny to go out.

During the same time frame I drove a 94 F-150 and a 2002 F-150 and never had any kind of problem with them.

J
sketcha Offline
#29 Posted: Wed, Oct 13 2004, 9:02 AM EST
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My mother has a Grand Cherokee and it's a piece of crap!

It's been steadily falling apart since about 60K. Another American Rattle Box!
niteorday Offline
#30 Posted: Wed, Oct 13 2004, 9:32 AM EST
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My 94 Ranger supercab has 130,000 miles on it and still runs like new. Only repairs so far is replacement of power steering lines and one of the rear brake lines. However, it will need ball joints in a couple of years.
PuffYourCaresAway Offline
#31 Posted: Wed, Oct 13 2004, 11:37 AM EST
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I'm a Ford man. Love my restored 1978 F150. I've pretty much lost faith in all the newer vehicles. They are designed to be throw away vehicles and the amount of recalls and TSB's on these newer vehicles astounds me. Something to consider since your son will be 16, and that you live in Cali, is cost of insurance. Unless $$ is of no concern. I would get him a restored large Ford pickup from the '60s or '70s. It wouldn't cost much to fully insure it, pay it off, and it wouldn't be hard to work on or find parts for, if ya'll are mechanically inclined. That's my two cents.
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