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Strategy in Iraq
billyjackson Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 08-19-2002
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Kind of a piggy back on Rick's post urging the return of our troops.......


Let's assume that USA won't pull out of Iraq "until the job's done." Anyone out there a good enough military strategist to explain to me (cause I don't know squat about combat, politics, etc.) some feasible ways to "defeat" the enemy given their guerilla type tactics?

This is not a poke at anyone....this is an honest question from someone who knows he is ignorant of how things work.
usahog Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 12-06-1999
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Keep Washinton Out of it...

the initial was given to the field commanders... Tommy Franks being the head of this one... (good reading his book) IMO the front men in washington have taken control and not allowed the men in the action to deal with the right and wrong decissions I cannot stand Donald Rumsfield nor his sidekick Gen Meyers...

IMPO and this is only mine.. (what the hell does a retired E-6 know) Fahlugia (sp) and Sadahr City would have been finished the first damn time.. no monkey F*ckin around with these A$$holes... we had Fahlugia with the marines and others in place to finish this one off... get the citizens out as they did the first time when they incircled the town and then finish it... and let the people come back to their homes....

Washington and the PC world is why this wasn't done.. and now it IMO has cost more American lives...

I was fuming when I seen the **** going on in Sadahr city when Our Boys had that SOB and then couldn't finish the job and a few days later they were allowed to leave with their weapons and handed over the keys to the mosque?? FT.. send the media elsware and when they get back from Lunch they can capture the clean-up...

Stop Tying the hands of Our Professional Soldiers and let them deal with the situation as they've been trained to do!!!! the mickey mouse bastages in Washington cannot run the show from a donut shop on Pennsivania Avenue!!!!

just my .02 cents

Hog
billyjackson Offline
#3 Posted:
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Sounds good Hog...

Now, not to stir the pot....but where does Bush fit into your criticisms (if he does at all)?
usahog Offline
#4 Posted:
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In all Honesty and again MPO.. I think Bush has been lead around the issues with folks surrounding him and blowing smoke up his Arse....

Hog
billyjackson Offline
#5 Posted:
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In my limited perspective and very uninformed opinion, I do have a hard time thinking that we simply can't get the job done if allowed to do so.

Assuming we have the military ability to take care of the Iraq situation, what diplomatic risks do we take in doing so? And how much should we care about those risks?
usahog Offline
#6 Posted:
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Diplomatic risks?? with what countries are you in refrence to for this question?

It doesn't matter what one does in a situation.. your always going to piss someone else off...

Hog
428cj Offline
#7 Posted:
Joined: 04-26-2003
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It always makes me proud when I hear our military went on an offensive over there. Not just because we were doing something, but pretty much every time we do our troops are AMAZING. Let our guys do their thing and they're EXTREMELY efficient at it. I can't help but be really proud of them.

I agree with hog on this one, let the troops do their thing and good things will follow. Keep the politicians out of it.

As to the diplomatic relations, I'm no expert but I don't care! Let our military do what needs to be done (as they're more than capable of doing), no matter who it upsets. We're over there for a reason, so let our troops do their job and finish it.

Then again I'm not real diplomatic, so what do I know!
CWFoster Offline
#8 Posted:
Joined: 12-12-2003
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OK Billy, I'm going to weigh in on this one too! I've been greiving for my BOTL's loss all day and really didn't feel up to answering this earlier. First, we have to go back and examine what used to work and compare it to what's going on now. When we were dealing with the Japanese prior to Pearl Harbor, we used all possible diplomatic means to resolve the issues. When diplomacy failed, we ACCEPTED that it failed, and sent in the guys in green and khakis to clean that mess up! Beyond choosing a target for the atom bomb, the folks in Washington stayed the hell out of the fracas! They stepped back in when Douglas MacArthur brought them a signed surrender. That was his JOB, to make our enemy capitulate. They LET him do his job! They did NOT tell him to do his job, then tell him HOW to do his job, then tell him WHERE to do his job, then tell him three dozen different ways he DEFINITLY COULD NOT do his job. In four years, Ike gave them Europe, and Bic Mac gave them the Pacific!

Specifically what needs to be done? First, announce a showdown, and tell all innocent residents of Fallujah to evacuate within 72 hours. Second cordon off the city, and search every man woman and child leaving for weapons, and other evidence of insurgency, detain those found in possesion of weapons or communications for the rebels for further questioning. Three, once we have made an effort to ensure all innocents are out of the combat zone, call in an arclight! A B-52 delivered saturation carpet-bombing of the entire city, 500 lb bombs one on top of the other! Fourth, go in and take a body count, and gather up the weapons, and burn the insurgents bodies with the carcasses of swine, and scatter the ashes, ensure there are witnesses to this. Fifth, ensure word gets out, that if you harbor insurgents, your homes will be totally destroyed, and if you ARE an insurgent, your body will be defiled with the remains of pigs, and you will be forever denied access to Paradise.

Thought should be given to a ressuection of sorts to the old policy of MAD (Mutual Assured Destruction) The Moslems in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Libya, and all the other Moslem countries talk out of both sides of their faces. Yasser Arafat was decrying the acts on 9/11, even as his people were dancing in the streets, the Saudis say they are against Islamic Extremeists even as they put on telethons to support the families of Palestinian suicide bombers. OK, how about this, pilgimage to Mecca is one of the Five Pillars of Islam, if you allow terorists to dwell among you, and plot and plan in your midst, and do not turn them in, and they attack us again, we'll turn Mecca into a radioactive glass-factory that no one will be able to approach for oh, say 500 years! If you want to continue pilgimages to your holy sites. police your own ranks! Finally, say what we'll do, then do what we say! After eight years of Slick Willie, Osama Bin Laden called his family (at least those who would still talk to him) and said he would be lying low for awhile because things were going to heat up (this was right before 9/11) He figured another 400 missle barrage of Tomahawks, maybe even twice as much, and we would call it good! He never thought we would have the stomach for a long and protracted war. As soon as we quit, he could come out of his hole, and carry on as before. I doubt he ever thought he'ld be ducking from hole to hole for three years and still hiding! We WILL get him!

That's how you beat guerillas, be MORE ruthless than they are!
usahog Offline
#9 Posted:
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CW well said... accept for the B-52's and carpet bombing... these people who have left their homes need something to come back to...

the folks who are left in this area will be known as Insurgents and dealt with as such.. with special ops and a toy laser gun they can mark the Targets to hit and with some LGB's in the area's needed this will cut down on construction costs... putting 500 pounders in these pricks pockets... whatever is out and about is open game for the troops... take no prisoners and you don't have to worry about PC Albu Garabi Prison pictures across the net and media...

Love the Pork Idea!!!!

Hog

Homebrew Offline
#10 Posted:
Joined: 02-11-2003
Posts: 11,885
Russell,
I believe you and Clive, have it nailed, between you.
We don't agree on politics. But this aint politics.
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
billyjackson Offline
#11 Posted:
Joined: 08-19-2002
Posts: 2,860
thanks for the responses....they make sense to me.

RE: diplomacy....I wasn't referring to diplomacy with Iraq or the aggressors. I was referring to the rest of the Arab world and eventually China...maybe Russia. I don't think we have to give a damn about Germany and France. However, is there a chance a point could be reached where Russia and China joined up against USA? Personally, I would rather that not happen. But I also don't know if our dealings in Iraq would be the thing to promote that.

All that said, I am all for mowing the whole damn place. Why Iraq is not a glass factory yet, I cannot fathom.
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