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SteveS Offline
#1 Posted: Wed, Nov 17 2004, 8:13 AM EST
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I can't believe that it's two days after the fact and no one has commented here on the lead-in to Monday Night Football this week ...

Did none of you see Nicollette Sheridan (from the new show Desperate Housewives) drop her towel and jump into Terrell Owens arms? ... the dialogue alone was pretty bold considering the hour ...

Yesterday, the network apologized for the "inappropriate" placement of the spot, which the NFL declared "unsuitable" for the league's audience ...
bassdude Offline
#2 Posted: Wed, Nov 17 2004, 8:13 AM EST
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Damn, missed it
dapperdan Offline
#3 Posted: Wed, Nov 17 2004, 8:36 AM EST
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This is just the reason why my kid's just watch DVD's!



PROCTER & GAMBLE COMES OUT OF CLOSET, NOW PUSHING HOMOSEXUAL TV AGENDA
Dear Rollin,

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Will & Grace is the program that showed two men passionately kissing each other.

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Between September 2003 and February 2004, P&G spent $2,000,000 in sponsorship of this program promoting the homosexual agenda.

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Please support the boycott of P&G, and ask others to do so.

To sign the Boycott P&G petition, click here.

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5. Help us spread the word by forwarding this to friends and family.
Sincerely,

Don

Donald E. Wildmon, Founder and Chairman
American Family Association

cexshun Offline
#4 Posted: Wed, Nov 17 2004, 8:44 AM EST
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In case you can't see me, I'm rolling my eyes.
SteveS Offline
#5 Posted: Wed, Nov 17 2004, 8:44 AM EST
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DapperD ... believe me, the MNF thing was clearly hetero ...
RDC Offline
#6 Posted: Wed, Nov 17 2004, 8:49 AM EST
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what was shown? Full frontal? Bare back or what?
briguy151 Offline
#7 Posted: Wed, Nov 17 2004, 8:53 AM EST
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sheessh it was nicolete sheraton, she is slightly manish. now if it was Eva Longoria GAME ON!!!!!
cexshun Offline
#8 Posted: Wed, Nov 17 2004, 8:56 AM EST
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Not a problem seeing someone's brains splattered on a window, but god forbid they show the small of a back or (OMG!!!) 2 guys kissing.
briguy151 Offline
#9 Posted: Wed, Nov 17 2004, 9:01 AM EST
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People must learn that if you no like what you watch turn the thing off or walk away. And also lets not forget that the television is not a babysitter.

I personally think Will and Grace is funny as hell.
Come on the episode with Matt Damon posing as a gay guy to goto Europe was hysterical.
lofty1 Offline
#10 Posted: Wed, Nov 17 2004, 9:12 AM EST
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personally, it annoys the hell out of me that i can't watch a football game with my 6 and 9 year old boys w/o worrying about what the irresponsible networks are trying to sneak in for adults. i've watched football since i was their age. my parents never had to worry about that crap happening. i have no problem with showing that stuff on TV. i have a problem when i'm surprised they aired some of that stuff when it wasn't expected.

if their going to warn me that two guys will be kissing in a program, i won't watch it. i won't let my boys watch it. that's my choice. if they show it when they should be showing football, i no longer have a choice but to ignore the TV entirely. i don't think i'm a prude, but i do want to filter the things my children are exposed to at this age. i'd rather control how they get exposed to certain subjects. if TV continues to be irresponsibly unpredictable, it reduces its likelihood of being a part of our lives.


in short, show whatever you want, but warn us in advance.
briguy151 Offline
#11 Posted: Wed, Nov 17 2004, 9:30 AM EST
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lofty you make a good point that if you watch footbal its football. Not Naked woman running around. Granted Adult males wont mind (me being one of them). I didn't watch MNF since my football season is ruined from the great record of my favorite team. 1-8 and Ricky is out smokin the herb.

I would be a bit annoyed if I was watching seasame street with my daughter and all of a sudden elmo starts nailing big bird.

I see where ya coming from.
MACS Offline
#12 Posted: Wed, Nov 17 2004, 9:31 AM EST
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I think cable TV has gotten progressively worse over the last decade. You used to not hear ANY curse words on TV, unless it was a pay channel like HBO, but now you regularly hear, bitch, ass etc. Hell, they say those two words on the Simpsons, which is a friggin' cartoon!

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the Simpson's, but I feel this has gotten out of hand.
MACS Offline
#13 Posted: Wed, Nov 17 2004, 9:33 AM EST
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As an addendum to my previous post... those who know me, know I got a potty-mouth (hello? i'm in the military) but I try real hard not to talk like a sailor around children.
cexshun Offline
#14 Posted: Wed, Nov 17 2004, 9:42 AM EST
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Maybe it's just because I was raised in a bad language household. My mother could go into a truck stop and tell a joke that would make mechanics blush.

Actually, debates like these really shed some light on things. The older, more conservative is loosing a grip on society to the younger, more liberal crowd. Point of fact, I have no problems at all with 2 men kissing, nor do I have any problems with my son seeing it. However, people on this board seem to express distaste as if they were showing the Auschwitz webcam.

Talk about the generation gap. My wife was raised in this way and she is still incredibly naive about the world and the people in it. It doesn't pay to live under a skirt. If you don't let your kid experience anything, they they won't ever experience ANYTHING. Know what I mean?

But, it's your kids and your right to raise them as you wish.
regdunlap7 Offline
#15 Posted: Wed, Nov 17 2004, 10:11 AM EST
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Now the FCC is passing comments and saying they are disappointed at the opening. This is all so ridiculous. As Americans, we have the right to watch or NOT watch anything aired for broadcast. The scene was well within obsenity standards - no nudity, only implied nudity. What a weak mental country we must be. We can put on a channel, but can not make a determination to turn it off if it looks offensive.

Thanks
js
SteveS Offline
#16 Posted: Wed, Nov 17 2004, 10:18 AM EST
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The comments here are pretty much a mirror-image of those I've heard on sports-talk radio yesterday and today ...

Personally, I had no issues with what was shown or said, but can readily understand how those with young children could feel blindsided by a rather overtly sensual opening to MNF ...

Hey, it's a furshlugginer FOOTBALL game ... who'd a thunk it?
cexshun Offline
#17 Posted: Wed, Nov 17 2004, 10:21 AM EST
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I guess the question is...

Is implied nudity worse then beer/alcohol advertisements? If you allow your child to watch football inspite of the alcohol advertisements, then perhaps you have no reason to get upset that someone may actually be naked underneath a towel.
lofty1 Offline
#18 Posted: Wed, Nov 17 2004, 10:33 AM EST
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i think some of you are missing the point here. implied nudity is not problematic in itself as everyone in the world is nude under their clothes. the problem here is the sexual connotations and suggestive subject matter. it's about sex, not nudity. there's a world of difference. there are commercials with implied nudity that have no sexual connotations. i don't think those are nearly as offensive, but that's just me.


also, please stop saying "if it offends you, turn it off." i thought i already addressed that. i don't watch and i don't allow my children to watch programs that i know will potentially be offensive to us. football should not fall into that category, as far as i'm concerned. i don't watch will & grace. i know it's about gays. i'm not offended. i just don't find it to be entertaining. i also don't like my children watching a program with that subject matter at this age. their too impressionable. again, that's my opinion.


does this help clear some things up for some of you?
MACS Offline
#19 Posted: Wed, Nov 17 2004, 12:06 PM EST
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Allow me to clarify some of what I said... I didn't see the commercial and had I seen it I probably wouldn't have thought twice about it.

The point that I am making is TV censure has gotten REALLY lenient lately. Not that I am personally offended, but I understand how some people ARE offended.
SteveR@CigarBid Offline
#20 Posted: Wed, Nov 17 2004, 12:43 PM EST
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briguy151 - I agree. Will & Grace is a hilarious show. My girlfriend was a huge fan of it, which means I had to watch it with her. After laughing for 30 minutes straight, I had no complaints.
E-Chick Offline
#21 Posted: Wed, Nov 17 2004, 12:47 PM EST
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I think you're all wrong...

I think that a majority of the people that may have called to complain have more of a problem with the black/white thing...

But that's just me...

Marla
Seth Gekko Offline
#22 Posted: Wed, Nov 17 2004, 1:00 PM EST
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Marla beat me to it. . . . .
SteveS Offline
#23 Posted: Wed, Nov 17 2004, 1:06 PM EST
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I've heard countless comments on sports talk radio, seen a fair number online and in the newspaper, and read all of the above posts ...

That was the first mention, implicit or implied, that racism was a factor ...
SteveS Offline
#24 Posted: Wed, Nov 17 2004, 1:09 PM EST
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(a too quick trigger-finger, there) ....

Based on what I've heard so far, I simply don't believe the notion that same-race would have made 1¢ worth of difference ...
lofty1 Offline
#25 Posted: Wed, Nov 17 2004, 1:59 PM EST
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marla,
you may be right, but that certainly is not my motivation for deeming the event inappropriate. is that what bothered you most?
dapperdan Offline
#26 Posted: Wed, Nov 17 2004, 3:48 PM EST
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I'm sure I would laugh at a lot of these shows, that's why I don't watch them. The point is a lot of people, single mom's etc. don't have the time to supervise there kid's or don't care. But they are our future and in 20 years from now I hate to see what the media has created in the minds of our young. Quite frankly I see Sodom and Gomorra and that's not the world I want my grand kids living in. We all make our choices in life but as for me, Me and my house will serve the Lord.Dan
Homebrew Offline
#27 Posted: Wed, Nov 17 2004, 4:37 PM EST
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I must say,
I enjoyed the lead in. Remember these networks must compete with cable and satilite for audience. I myself think we need to quit legislating morality. Teach your kids right from wrong, and quit telling others what to do. If the moral majority would quit trying to control what everyone else see's, and worry about teaching their own children this country would be great again.
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
lofty1 Offline
#28 Posted: Wed, Nov 17 2004, 5:29 PM EST
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dave,
i have no problem with that. i just think we, as an audience, should know what to expect from whatever it is that we are viewing. i expect football from MNF. i wouldn't have expected what everyone got in the intro. i can't control what my kids see if i don't know what the TV is about to show them. i don't let my kids watch the show being promoted by the intro because i know what to expect. as long as the networks don't throw curveballs at us, i have no problem with their programming. that, in my opinion, was a bit of a curveball.
nfldraftman Offline
#29 Posted: Thu, Nov 18 2004, 5:25 AM EST
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Tony Dungy came out today saying he thought this was racially offensive to him as an African-American male. However his comments that it portrayed the football player as a sexual predator seemed way off to me. She dropped the towel, she was in control of the situation.

As to the right/wrong/offensive issue, I can understand not wanting kids under a certain age to see it. What I want to know is, did parents who got caught off guard by this use it as a chance to explain the nature of love between a man or a woman and the differences between real life and what you see on TV or just get mad and call somebody.
tailgater Offline
#30 Posted: Thu, Nov 18 2004, 8:36 AM EST
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I saw the lead-in.
It's aired at 9:00 PM on the East Coast, so the time was OK to see the "nudity".
I was not offended, nor do I think it was truly offensive in any sense.
But it was indeed inappropriate.
Let's not confuse the two.

As for the race issue, until I heard imbecile Tony Dungee cry about it, I didn't give that one thought.
ABC used the NFL to promote their new program, Desperate Housewives. It's working.

As for some comments regarding television in general, I feel that there is a time and a place for everything. TV should not be censored, but they have a vast power and must use common sense so this doesn't become a government control issue.

Cexshun implies that prudent judgement yields unsophisticated adults. That is pure nonsense. My wife and I don't allow our young children to watch certain "kids" programs and cartoons. My kids obey these rules. And they know why.
The fact that adults don't "know why" certain things aren't appropriate is the only thing "offensive" in this whole debate.



usahog Offline
#31 Posted: Thu, Nov 18 2004, 9:06 AM EST
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I missed the whole dang thing.. so I will not comment accept to say... we can't even watch football anymore without someone dropping trowl... WTF.. I'm going back to watchin WWF!!!!!!! LOL

Hog
bud451 Offline
#32 Posted: Thu, Nov 18 2004, 9:06 AM EST
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I agree Tail.

If it was so offensive why are all the "news" and "entertainment" shows showing it 4 times, everyday this week? MNF only showed it once.

IMFO, I find many cartoons and "kids shows" much worse.
jackconrad Offline
#33 Posted: Thu, Nov 18 2004, 9:15 AM EST
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I see alot worse on 1/2 the Shows out there. I thought it was funny as hell!!Alot cleaner than our add a caption post.
Liz62803 Offline
#34 Posted: Thu, Nov 18 2004, 9:24 AM EST
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LOL Hog, WWE is WORSE than dropping towels at time lol they got it all the oopsie daisy of exposure of boobage, the language the sexual connotations but then again they are saying they are sports ENTERTAINMENT.

In regards to the stuff on tv - it's been said before...you don't like what's on....turn the channel, find something else to do other than watching tv. If you and your son like football why don't you go out in the backyard in the late afternoon/early evening and get a game going with some of the neighbors or just the two of you...don't have to worry about anyone dropping a towel or hearing anything sexual being said. And as for single moms not being able to monitor what their children watch....there is such a thing as not having the tv on - or watching video tapes or dvds or God forbid having the children do something like READ omg did I say the R werd! What am I thinking. When I was a kid I loved to read - granted we only had one channel on the tv and the shows were pretty much harmless back then compared to what is shown now. But there is so much other stuff to do than watch tv - what about game nights - where the family gets together and plays games - woooo novel idea there. If you come down to it - if you play your cards right you won't need to have the offensive tv on at all because you'll have other wonderful things to do than have it on. I can think of these things and I don't even have kids...wow....
barryneedleman Offline
#35 Posted: Thu, Nov 18 2004, 1:42 PM EST
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In my opinion this was funny as hell and it probably was far less inappropriate than most of the Coors beer commercials that are shown during football games. I have an eleven year old son and would not be upset about him seeing this at all. Just would have given me a chance to discuss the difference between fantasy and reality at a more adult level. In my experience, the younger children look away from this kind of stuff and go "ewwwwww.' The pre-teens and younger teens are the ones that may interpret this stuff badly but in my opinion, it is better that they be exposed to it with you to explain it. They will be exposed to this kind of stuff with their friends anyway (I know I was and that was 40 years ago). The older teens have seen it before. Just my 2 cents.
barryneedleman Offline
#36 Posted: Thu, Nov 18 2004, 1:45 PM EST
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Regarding Will and Grace - I found this show funny too. Again, would let my son watch and use the opportunity to explain certain things to him. I seriously doubt he would watch it though as he wouldn't understand the humor. Queer eye for the straight man, I have never watched and won't comment on.
tornado Offline
#37 Posted: Thu, Nov 18 2004, 3:16 PM EST
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Cexshun:
The older, more conservative is loosing a grip on society to the younger, more liberal crowd.

I think the election a few weeks ago stated the exact opposite is true. The majority of Americans want to see some moral values imposed accross the board, TV and the Internet are good places to start. My kids are only 1 and 3 right now, but if they were older, there is no way I'd let them roam the net freely. You can't even let a kid have a hotmail account to email his friends without worrying about all the hardcore porn that'll show up in it. Should a 9 year old boy be exposed to that? How could that possibly be a positive experience?
Homebrew Offline
#38 Posted: Thu, Nov 18 2004, 4:03 PM EST
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To be honest.
If you don't like the programming change the channel. Most cable boxes, and dish recievers have parental locks. Use them. I don't have kids, and really enjoyed the MNF lead-in. I thought it was great. I think that stations should be allowed to broadcast whatever programing without restraint. If there is no market for it, then they will change the programing. I promise.
As for raising your kids, you can decide what they watch. The TV is not a babysitter, don't try and use it as one.
Have a great day, now back to softcore porn during primetime. LOL
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
P.S. I'd like to see "Clockwerk Orange", during prime time myself.
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