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Hey Rick,,, There really are death Panels in Obama Care,,,Ruh Ro...
wheelrite Offline
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By Peter Roff

Posted: December 28, 2010
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Share ThisHaving failed to get the idea of “death panels” in through the front door of the new healthcare law the Obama administration is trying to sneak them in through the back way.

On the day after Christmas The New York Times reported that the Obama administration, which had walked away from a proposal to let Medicare reimburse physicians for their work on “end-of-life planning” from legislation overhauling the nation’s healthcare system, would instead revive the proposal through regulation, starting on January 1.

“Under the new policy,” the Times explained, “outlined in a Medicare regulation, the government will pay doctors who advise patients on options for end-of-life care, which may include advance directives to forgo aggressive life-sustaining treatment.” [Read more about healthcare reform.]

The new rule is part of a massive regulation setting Medicare payments for thousands of services and was issued by Dr. Donald M. Berwick, the controversial administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services who was an Obama recess appointee and who is a longtime advocate for a healthcare system based on the widely problematic British model.

Now there is nothing per se wrong with “end-of-life” counseling alone--as long as it is voluntary and if the patient requests it. However, given that Medicare will provide reimbursements to physicians for this so-called service, the idea that it will remain “voluntary” is debatable if not doubtful because the government has created a financial incentive to offer it. [Check out our editorial cartoons on healthcare.]

The other major problem with the idea of end-of-life counseling is that it cannot be viewed in an isolated way but has to be taken together with other elements of the healthcare plan--particularly the rationing that will inevitably take place as a cost cutting measure and the use of what is known as “Comparative Effectiveness Research”--a way to determine what medical technologies work on specific populations and to determine if the projected outcomes justify the costs involved.

Taken together, end-of-life counseling, rationing, and comparative effectiveness research easily combine to create, in function if not in organizational structure, what former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and others have criticized as “death panels”--which are really no more than government regulations and processes and standards that will make decisions about who among the sick and elderly may live and who must die. It’s a scary thought, which is probably why the Obama administration kept these new regulations under wraps until the holidays, hoping they could get them out there without too many people noticing. [See photos of Sarah Palin and her family.]

Their plan, obviously, failed. The challenge now is to convince congressional Republicans, once they have held their up or down vote on repeal of the entire Obamacare package, to hold hearings on this one issue and to offer a single piece of legislation that eliminates the reimbursement for end-of-life counseling--if the circumstances warrant. Right now though, it looks too much like the very top of the slippery slope leading down to a permanent culture of death


wheel,,,,,,
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QUOTING ANYTHING PALIN MIGHT HAVE SAID AND ASSUMING SHE KNOWS WHAT SHE IS TALKING ABOUT IS THE FIRST SIGN OF SOMEONE WHO HAS NO JUDGMENT.

I DON'T KNOW IF MY DOCTORS WERE PAID FOR HELPING ME WITH MY "END OF LIFE" CARE, BUT THEY WILL FOLLOW MY INSTRUCTIONS. SEND THE DEAD BODY TO MEDICAL RESEARCH, BURIAL IS SO YESTERDAY.
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:
QUOTING ANYTHING PALIN MIGHT HAVE SAID AND ASSUMING SHE KNOWS WHAT SHE IS TALKING ABOUT IS THE FIRST SIGN OF SOMEONE WHO HAS NO JUDGMENT.

I DON'T KNOW IF MY DOCTORS WERE PAID FOR HELPING ME WITH MY "END OF LIFE" CARE, BUT THEY WILL FOLLOW MY INSTRUCTIONS. SEND THE DEAD BODY TO MEDICAL RESEARCH, BURIAL IS SO YESTERDAY.



it may happen sooner than you want...
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:

I DON'T KNOW IF MY DOCTORS WERE PAID FOR HELPING ME WITH MY "END OF LIFE" CARE, BUT THEY WILL FOLLOW MY INSTRUCTIONS. SEND THE DEAD BODY TO MEDICAL RESEARCH, BURIAL IS SO YESTERDAY.



Lets just hope they dispose of the brain.......if in fact they find one.


Ron
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Dr Kevorkian could have made a "killing" under this new health care reform
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engletl wrote:
Dr Kevorkian could have made a "killing" under this new health care reform



Mellow
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wheelritef

what a charming fellow you are.

make sure to stop completely at all stop signs.
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California roll outrage!
wheelrite Offline
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:
wheelritef

what a charming fellow you are.

make sure to stop completely at all stop signs.



It's all good !!!
HockeyDad Offline
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For just a second, I thought this was gas_pedal-extender_talk.com.
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Under the BHO admin only Republicans will be subject to death panel reviews there by continuing the democratic effort to swing the voting population in there favor.
HockeyDad Offline
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The wealthy upper class globalist elite will get preferred care. Death panels are for proles.
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rick IS FINISHED !
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:
I DON'T KNOW IF MY DOCTORS WERE PAID FOR HELPING ME WITH MY "END OF LIFE" CARE, BUT THEY WILL FOLLOW MY INSTRUCTIONS. SEND THE DEAD BODY TO MEDICAL RESEARCH, BURIAL IS SO YESTERDAY.



SOYLENT GREEN?
Brewha Offline
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Is Palin really a lesbian?
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Brewha wrote:
Is Palin really a lesbian?




no...... Angel
HockeyDad Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Is Palin really a lesbian?



She could be but if so, she went to a lot of effort to hide it with the whole husband and kids thing.
Brewha Offline
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Are you guys sure? She looks a little vagetarian to me . . .
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Brewha wrote:
Are you guys sure? She looks a little vagetarian to me . . .




she wasn't last time I saw her.... Mellow
Brewha Offline
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Got this from the Huffington Post:

“Sarah Palin stirred the Twittersphere Monday evening when she retweeted a pro-gay message by lesbian conservative commentator Tammy Bruce concerning the "hypocrisy" of homophobic and anti-gay actions.”

Just sayin . . .
wheelrite Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Got this from the Huffington Post:

“Sarah Palin stirred the Twittersphere Monday evening when she retweeted a pro-gay message by lesbian conservative commentator Tammy Bruce concerning the "hypocrisy" of homophobic and anti-gay actions.”

Just sayin . . .


Tammy Bruce is a Rug Biter?

neat,any pics ?
Brewha Offline
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Not yet, but the search goes on . . . .
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DrafterX wrote:
she wasn't last time I saw her.... Mellow


So after you she became one.

Jed Clampet voice - Pityful
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teedubbya wrote:
So after you she became one.

Jed Clampet voice - Pityful



she said thank you and stuff..... Mellow
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